Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- Academy City
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- Yes.
Put me down for everything; I don't mind getting pinged.
Vecht
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
I am up for being pinged at any time if plan authors model me as being interested in the topic at hand.
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- Under a Rock
This part seems substantially worse to me. Sperm donor is the way I would prefer to do it.
Can we agree to just send a certain quantity of sperm in a vial (it can't be a storage seal, that will kill it) to their door on a frequent basis and they get to do what they want with it?
[X] Action Plan: Counterproposals
- Afternoon: Clan meeting on politics.
- "Mari, you said the Uchiha were scared for their survival if they voted against Hyuuga. That sounds important."
- We may be able to offer them protection instead of babies.
- If they're scared of financial ruin: we can give them a treaty that we'll cover the costs of anything that plausibly looks like a Hyuuga-caused economic attack.
- If they're scared of assassins: we could supply them with anti-byakkugan seals to remove Hyuuga assassins advantages in their compound. We can also offer a military defensive pact (and we may be able to convince our political allies to join). If multiple clans privately precommit to Hiashi to murdering the Hyuuga if the Uchiha all mysteriously die one night...
- If we need to offer babies:
- We need to ensure the relationships are consensual, that any births are at a healthy rate, and that the women (and Hazou) retain access to their children and the right to be majorly involved in raising them.
- We want any children born under this scheme (as well as Gouketsu children with sharingans) to be born dual-clan (To clarify, we don't mean 'They will be married into the Uchiha.' , we mean 'They will be legally members of both of our clans as a permanent legal status from birth.'), not just Uchiha. Such children would be extremely powerful due to having both clan's secrets, and this protects clan secrets and also this partially merges the clans. Uchiha may be the primary (but not only) chain of command unless such a child petitions for Gouketsu to be primary after reaching the rank of chunin.
- Can we use civilian influence to flip another vote? Ami's speech earlier suggests it could be worthwhile. Maybe there's a clan that has economic interests requiring skilled civilians?
- "Mari, you said the Uchiha were scared for their survival if they voted against Hyuuga. That sounds important."
- Evening: Dinner with Snake, Team Nakano, and Yudai.
- Beforehand: Ask Mari to keep an eye on Snake. She seems interested in associating with us; we need allies. How trustworthy does she seem?
- Carefully introduce Kagome to Nakano and co..
- Discuss the recent Sealing failure.
- Are their families and friends alright?
- If not, is there anything we can do for them?
- Ask Snake about her time with Jiraiya. Listen to her stories and reminisce a little.
- Discuss retainership concept to Team Nakano and Yudai: Not formal adoption, formalized contractors-with-benefits.
- Possible benefits:
- Sealing knowledge.
- Custom seal requests.
- Medic-nin assistance.
- Possible benefits:
- Beforehand: Ask Mari to keep an eye on Snake. She seems interested in associating with us; we need allies. How trustworthy does she seem?
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Is... is that something 13th century Japan could do anything with?
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Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
From an IC moral perspective I'm not sure that this actually helps Hazou's potential feelings about the idea. They'd probably still be his kids aa far as he's concerned, given medieval understanding of those sorts of social issues.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Not sure. Go in the other extreme, explicitly state that the inseminations would be conducted via turkey basters, and that the women would be able to request one at any time of their own free will?
This way, the Uchiha would get as many children as their people are willing to provide. But Hazou would be a father only by technicality, with little claim to raising the children, and I've taken to understand that this is, incomprehensibly, a concern for a large portion of the thread...
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Vecht
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[X] Action Plan: Counterproposals
This seems problematic. I don't think anyone in this setting is going to defer matters of clan secrecy or which clan they want to belong to to children.
This seems problematic. I don't think anyone in this setting is going to defer matters of clan secrecy or which clan they want to belong to to children.
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This is a very reasonable point, and I should have been more clear. I'm not trying to assuage Hazou's feelings, I'm trying to reduce my own squick factor.
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Vecht
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Alright, I can remove that.
E: this work?
Uchiha may be the primary (but not only) chain of command unless such a child petitions otherwise after the rank of chunin.
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Noumero
Omit Needless Words
That's fine. As far as I could tell, it eliminates the previously mentioned negative connotations.
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[X] Rejection and Counteroffer
I'm pretty conflicted about all of these.
But as for the Hagaromo deal, do we want to get the rest of ISC to help us foot the bill?
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[X] Action Plan: Counterproposals
I'm pretty conflicted about all of these.
But as for the Hagaromo deal, do we want to get the rest of ISC to help us foot the bill?
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[X] Action Plan: Counterproposals
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- Academy City
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[X] Action Plan: Counterproposals
This seems like a bad idea for multiple reasons:
- An enemy of the Hyuuga is incentivized to kill the Uchiha (whom this is supposed to keep alive)
- We are literally telling the Hyuuga we are going to genocide their clan under not unrealistic conditions to their faces (and genocide is bad)
- The Hyuuga would have to respond to such a threat very strongly. Like, civil war, strongly.
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- Why would this be required?
Doing it now since it's already been done with one group of the thread seems fair, as long as the thread has a little gentlemenly agreement that it not be done again in future vote cycles after this one. I feel that's the most mature way to handle it.
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I'm really nervous about these counteroffers. Both strip the only thing the Uchiha actually want from the deal. The problem is that I'm giving nearly 100% odds that they will simply go find someone else for those girls to have kids with - they want increased numbers, we are the best choice because of Hazo but they will go for a less optimal choice if they must. Which means we won't actually be accomplishing the moral goal and will instead simply be ceding any chance of keeping things as moral as possible.
I don't see the major concern about IN, the sad fact is the Sharigan is simply better in every respect.
I don't see the major concern about IN, the sad fact is the Sharigan is simply better in every respect.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Add the category for everything under the broad umbrella of "Forbidden Lore"/"Esoteric Knowledge", from Kagome's conspiracies to ancient history to cosmic horrors to the truth behind the setting to sealing failures.
Add the category "Research", or specifically "Sealing research".
Add me, with "high" general interest and "yes" for everything sans personal power and combat caution, and "very yes" for forbidden lore.
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If it's a bad idea then I trust Mari to say so.
To address your points in order:
- Hyuuga are incentivised to prevent outside actors from genociding the Uchiha for their own safety.
- Genocide is indeed bad. So let's stop Hyuuga from doing it.
- Probably not. A civil war would plausibly kill them. They might take a hardline stance against anything the Uchiha's protectors do, but they were going to do that anyway.
The Uchiha want more ninja. My deal allows for giving them those ninja. They get a primary command of them instead of only command, but the ninja are more powerful for having Gouketsu techniques.
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- Academy City
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We could solve the first one by quietly telling them this. If outside actors know about it, it'll be because the Hyuuga leaked it, which means that open in themselves up for that is their own fault.
The other two seem like fairly simple Second Strike game theory; I don't think they're as big of a concern as you make it out to be.