I kinda figured Sabrina's seal would just be this giant black void. All consuming, no mercy, straight to the (singularity) point. Considering these seem to only show up when ones unleashing something cataclysmic.
 
I kinda figured Sabrina's seal would just be this giant black void. All consuming, no mercy, straight to the (singularity) point. Considering these seem to only show up when ones unleashing something cataclysmic.
A ring of cracks surrounding a central point, perhaps? Runes and seals mean something, which means there's a system to them, after all. And where there's a system...
 
A ring of cracks surrounding a central point, perhaps? Runes and seals mean something, which means there's a system to them, after all. And where there's a system...

So a Magic Seal derived from the Kool Aide Man graphic? Oh Yeah!

Finishing the idea I was opening up before, what I am casting about is the concept the Potential would be commutative; in specific, manipulating Potential / Causality / Karmic Destiny from the abstract side should absolutley mapp over on to the 3D physics world of humanity.

That would mean for us, the judgment of the result of Madoka's rise in potential across timelines changes. Is Madoka now in a position where retaining her Potential (by refusing to Wish) actually changes her life as a human? As her Potential is currently mentioned, her ability to become a powerful human would be easily S-ranked. Is this only connected to "history book" Karma, or can she spend it as she likes? Is an anomalous bump in Potential (since it comes from other timelines and is therefore not linked to local ontology - it comes out of nowhere from a local perspective) something she can use as "character build points" throughout her life?

If it works this way, raising Madoka's Potential isn't a bad act at all.

And that is separate from the consequential argument against the Potentialbomb, largely accepting that the only way to escape the Incubator's system alive would involve creating a dangerous feedback loop. Without this danger, risk is 100% Homura's path has been required the whole time.

Before we need anything like these arguments, it really seems to me that our goals for Homura are now "how to process adverse feeling better." Just a bit more ability to adapt, a sliver more sharing, the certainty to get up one more time, all of these are what is needed. With more friends working on her, we might get enough of that in. It comes down to gaining a chance to be there if she has a crisis.
 
So I made my arguments earlier, about how I don't like spilling the beans to Kyuubey like this and since I think have a way to fulfill the same function and be aboveboard, I would prefer to do that now I have a chance to sit down and write a vote.

The only thing to add here is a note on tracking enchantment: It also provides a baseline for the effects of emotion enchanted effects when it's not applied to grief, and has been moved ahead of the grief experiment for that reason.

[X] In whatever order makes sense:

[x] Brainmail the Pleiades. Topics:
-[x] Current events. How are things? The situation in Tokyo.
-[x] Defenses against mind magic.

[X] Enchantment topics:
-[x] Suggestion for Sayaka: Copying enchantments, enchantments that copy other powers?
-[X] Use/share enchantment booster for rapid prototyping.
-[X] Protective enchantments. Mind shields, antimagic, maybe danger-vision from one of the sight powers, etc.
-[x] Try to make a tracking enchantment using the emotions you made your wings from.
-[x] Griefhax with emotion-enchanted grief.

[X] Ask Hitomi about inviting Homura to the Shizukidinner.


[X] Sayaka asked about how well were were on the same page with Homura the other day. Offer to teach her how to speak and listen to Akemese, and vice versa.
-[X] Confirm that Homura is okay with that too.


[X] Inform everyone of and discuss Oriko's new powers in a privacy bubble. Same routine as earlier, explain wish magic and its relationship to a girl's thinking, but tailor your arguments towards what you know of Madoka, Sayaka, and Hitomi.
-[X] If things go well, explain your explanations to everyone, redacting sensitive info as appropriate.

[X] Ask everyone besides Hitomi if they'll be staying for dinner.
-[X] Include copious leftovers for Homura.

Basically, I'm splitting the intention of helping Homura understand here from the vote about getting everyone up to speed, and allowing it to be aboveboard and go both ways.
 
if we strap the anti-coobie device onto kyuubey will it force him into amnesia or something?
we really need to fuck with the collective more, be it driving kyuubey insane, bringing juubey online, or finding aome other way to mess with them
 
[X] The Phoenixian

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Adhoc vote count started by Madou Sutegobana on Apr 16, 2019 at 9:15 PM, finished with 164 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] In whatever order makes sense:
    [x] Brainmail the Pleiades. Topics:
    -[x] Current events. How are things? The situation in Tokyo.
    -[x] Defenses against mind magic.
    [X] Enchantment topics:
    -[x] Suggestion for Sayaka: Copying enchantments, enchantments that copy other powers?
    -[X] Use/share enchantment booster for rapid prototyping.
    -[X] Protective enchantments. Mind shields, antimagic, maybe danger-vision from one of the sight powers, etc.
    -[x] Try to make a tracking enchantment using the emotions you made your wings from.
    -[x] Griefhax with emotion-enchanted grief.
    [X] Ask Hitomi about inviting Homura to the Shizukidinner.
    [X] Sayaka asked about how well were were on the same page with Homura the other day. Offer to teach her how to speak and listen to Akemese, and vice versa.
    -[X] Confirm that Homura is okay with that too.
    [X] Inform everyone of and discuss Oriko's new powers in a privacy bubble. Same routine as earlier, explain wish magic and its relationship to a girl's thinking, but tailor your arguments towards what you know of Madoka, Sayaka, and Hitomi.
    -[X] If things go well, explain your explanations to everyone, redacting sensitive info as appropriate.
    [X] Ask everyone besides Hitomi if they'll be staying for dinner.
    -[X] Include copious leftovers for Homura.
    [X] In whatever order makes sense:
    [x] Brainmail the Pleiades. Topics:
    -[x] Current events. How are things? The situation in Tokyo.
    -[x] Defenses against mind magic.
    [X] Enchantment topics:
    -[x] Suggestion for Sayaka: Copying enchantments, enchantments that copy other powers?
    -[X] Use/share enchantment booster for rapid prototyping.
    -[X] Protective enchantments. Mind shields, antimagic, maybe danger-vision from one of the sight powers, etc.
    -[x] Griefhax with emotion-enchanted grief.
    [X] Ask Hitomi about inviting Homura to the Shizukidinner.
    [X] Sanitized summary of Tokyo for everyone
    -[X] Light on details; you'll write the details up later so you don't mess up while extemporizing (and so you can run it past Homura first).
    [X] Mention wanting to bring mental health professionals into this somehow. Cite Akemi & Norikos as example of why.
    [X] Mention Oriko's new powers. Same routine as earlier, explain wish magic and its relationship to a girl's thinking, but take a slightly more emotional/romantic viewpoint so it plays better to Sayaka and Madoka.
    -[x] Telepathically give Homura quick notes on various conversational maneuvers as you make them, e.g. purely rational approach for her but adding a narrative and emotion for Sayaka+Madoka.
    [X] Ask everyone besides Hitomi if they'll be staying for dinner.
    -[x] Don't let Homura leave until you've loaded her down with food.
    [X] go flying with mami. Right now.
    [X] In whatever order makes sense:
    [X] As a group, work on developing mind/memory protection.
    -[X] Use enchantment booster for rapid prototyping.
    -[X] Basic practice in spare time.
    [X] Mention invitation to shizukidinner to Homura & others
    -[X] Ask if Homura was also invited
    [X] Sanitized summary of Tokyo for everyone
    -[X] Madoka-friendly. Bombs no, politics yes.
    [X] Chat up the Pleiades by telepathy. Ask after & talk about current events. Ask after Hijiri.
    [X] Mention wanting to bring mental health professionals into this somehow. Cite Akemi & Norikos as example of why.
    [X] Ask Homura to stick around for a while after by telepathy.
    [X] Mention Oriko's new powers.
    [x] The Phoenician
 
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[JK] Have Sayaka use Rionna's power to brainwash Kyubey into finding the nearest Black Hole for the entire Incubator Collective to just jump into and cease to be.
 
[X] The Phoenixian

[:V] When you next feed a marble of grief to Kyubey, open up with a full blast, Big-Bang-levels-of-energy Prima Luce just as the marble goes in. You want free energy, bunnycat? Choke on it
 
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Hmmm, I wonder what would happen if we tried fishing in qb using a grief marble as bait and Mami's ribbons as a fishing line? :thonk:
Given that we're now able to rotate our grief along dimensional axes and still feel it, the fact that grief that goes into Kyuubey instantly vanishes from our perception means that they're probably using their Sufficiently Advanced Technology to swooce it astronomical distances to wherever it is they've set up shop. The most likely outcome seems like it'd just be the ribbon getting severed when the volume gets teleported/otherwise processed.
 
Given that we're now able to rotate our grief along dimensional axes and still feel it, the fact that grief that goes into Kyuubey instantly vanishes from our perception means that they're probably using their Sufficiently Advanced Technology to swooce it astronomical distances to wherever it is they've set up shop. The most likely outcome seems like it'd just be the ribbon getting severed when the volume gets teleported/otherwise processed.
Emotions are the product of a soul.

Incubators who have individual emotions are considered mentally ill.

Theory: Incubators as a collective whole have a singular soul that, while weak compared to a meguca, is leveraged across the full scope of their collective.
 
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