I still think we should ask what Sayaka saw...

I feel like what she noticed might be important.

Anything she could possibly report has no plausible evidential bearing because Madoka is biased by her dreams and Homura is biased by the past. If they were talking about how they're Madokami and Homucifer, blue'd be telling us that up front.
 
Anything she could possibly report has no plausible evidential bearing because Madoka is biased by her dreams and Homura is biased by the past. If they were talking about how they're Madokami and Homucifer, blue'd be telling us that up front.
I mean emotionally important.

Like homura isnt adjusting well or something?
 
[X] Kaizuki

I don't think Blueberry needs more than an affirmation that, yes, it's secret as shit but it's okay. She seems to have gotten pretty used to our tangled web of confidences and infohazards.

I believe the point being made is that we know perfectly well that Homura isn't adjusting well because, you know, she's Homura. Which reinforces the idea that if we press Sayaka on this she's unlikely to have useful information that we don't already know.
 
It is better to consider where we want this question of hers to lead.
That is what my version is designed to do. Insert Sabrina.

We have been told to play as the active hero?
I want to use it to bring Sayaka a lesson in how to be closer to Homura. It is also a great time to double down on our good relations with them both, by showing proper use of boundaries.

It is deathly important not to trespass over Homura's feelings, and we do that by directly involving Homura. We must, because this ISN'T required to become a loopbomb / Madoka discussion. Those, we deflect. It is pretty much the truth of her heart, which is something friends may or may not discuss as they will. It is her choice, we help either way.

It is important to give Sayaka the fair answer, so long as the world isn't at risk. It is possible to "compartmentalize" her right to ask the question away, but that isn't something she would see as fair.

If we jump in the middle, we are doing work towards our Golden Ending. As I see it, this is a chance to double down on our qualities of respect and open fairness.
We can gain two things -
-A path where Homura can get emotional support from Sayaka, as she does from us
-Lessons in Homurese, opening up more stability for Sayaka as she gets dragged into the infohazards.

Other goodies may be possible, and being the mediator is far less risk that other options, such as let Sayaka wonder about this with Madoka.
 
With that in mind, there's a purpose to this note: If Sayaka figures things out herself, noting that Homura has been burned by trusting others will immediately answer the question of "Why didn't you just tell me!" she might feel justifiably hurt about. (Because now Sayaka has enough to know: Homura did. It didn't work.)

If Sayaka figures things out herself, she'll handle it at least semi-discreetly because Homura hasn't done anything wrong in this timeline.

I -- alright, no, this is enough of me saying things and expecting people to get it. I suppose that's a lesson I should have learned a long time ago, but it's also one I've had ample opportunity to lose over the last couple months of my head being turned inside out.

Let me be completely clear:

"You're not evil. But it's about first impressions," you say. "And... really, I think what would have worked? Just getting to her before Kyuubey did, before she could form a negative opinion of you. Tell her about Walpurgisnacht, tell her that you're gearing up to fight something monstrously evil, and that would have worked."

"I couldn't have," Homura murmurs. "Because-"

"Then Madoka would know," you finish for her, and sigh. "I understand that. Though... that said? Here and now, it's part of why telling Sayaka about your loops would work, I think."

Similarly, anything we say here can and will end up with Madoka. Similarly, Homura isn't comfortable with that.

She doesn't want Madoka involved with her.

She doesn't want Madoka concerned for her.

She doesn't want Madoka being told that she has, quote, years of trauma.

Akemi Homura doesn't fucking want those things, and she and we have been over as much.

So no, Phoenixian, I don't feel that anything of value is being lost in my vote. Just a giant mistake where we are betraying the established trust we have with Homura without first revisiting as much with her. If you guys want to start telling people about how traumatized she is, then by Madokami we will first bring this up with her. We are not going to play "Better to ask forgiveness than to seek permission" with Akemi fucking Homura! With the poor girl who cries on our shoulder in timestop because we're her only real friend and she doesn't know how to have it be okay for her to be friends with the people she wants to be friends with. No. No, no, no.

...

Somebody is inevitably going to respond to this with something about how we should do this because it will be good for Homura. Let me be clear: if you like that idea, then let's go up to Homura in a timestop and bloody well tell her as much. I am up for that. I am totally and completely ready to go up to Homura and tell her that frankly we can't keep this entirely secret from everyone because it's going against her interest. I happen to think that that's a good idea after some (fairly extensive) modifications. But this? This is nine hundred kinds of not okay and nobody is saying a thing.
 
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nobody is saying a thing.
While there is slight variation, I'm definitely pointing in the same direction you are. 1) intercept Sayaka's request is the point I think we should do now.
2)We tell her to come back when it has been scheduled. And thus, the opening exists for your concern to be fully addressed.
I'm on your side for this.
I can discuss a possible implementation of how to actually carry that out, at your option.
 
On the one hand, we absolutely do need to tell Sayaka to stay away from the entire thing because if she gets involved she will fuck everything up. We need to give her a good reason to believe that, because right now she is getting worried about Madoka's well-being too, and we have already seen how bad things go when we don't communicate with people.

On the other hand, you're absolutely right that Homura is so traumatized that she'll end the world if we tell anyone how traumatized she is. We can't even hint at it. We just got done going over Sayaka being all perceptive and insightful about politics and shit. She's too damn smart.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a single vote from anyone that can handle both of these problems at the same time. Sayaka has us damned if we do and damned if we don't. We can't even say "can neither confirm nor deny" because Sayaka has the eagle eyes power and has probably literally watched Homura do her stupid treehouse guardian thing. Look at this from Sayaka's perspective: Transfer Student spends every night outside Madoka's bedroom with a pair of binoculars and Weird Metaknowledge Girl supports her in every way. This is beyond weird. So we're just straight fucked here, and our only choice is to mitigate the breakdown Homura has when she realizes that the people around her are not blind and that they've figured out pretty much everything.

[x] Homura would murder you if she ever heard you telling anyone about her past, so you're afraid you can't tell Sayaka anything other than that the situation is as close to being under control as it's possible for anything related to this colossal clusterfuck to be. Her reasons are as good as anyone's, though, you suppose, so Sayaka should just keep in mind that everyone you're willing to put up with is a Good Person and that everything should make sense eventually.
 
Huh... what's the number of posts per page?

EDIT: Hmm, seems to be 25.
 
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I'm on mobile so I can't tell if this is working. Msg me if it's not, I'll change it to 9 mod 5
 
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