You know, it occurs to me that if TLitF costs happy memories, it's probably possible to invent a jutsu that costs bad memories. Or just hides the user's memories or something. Could be useful. Something that 'cost' bad memories would be useful as a treatment for PTSD even if it didn't do anything, and hiding your own memories would mean you couldn't give up secrets, like your world devastating weapons designs. Just for instance.
 
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You know, it occurs to me that if TLitF costs happy memories, it's probably possible to invent a jutsu that costs bad memories. Or just hides the user's memories or something. Could be useful. Something that 'cost' bad memories would be useful as a treatment for PTSD even if it didn't do anything, and hiding your own memories would mean you couldn't give up secrets, like your world devastating weapons designs. Just for instance.
J: Oh yeah, we have a thing for that. *passes Hazou a bottle of beer*

H: Um...

J: Just because it isn't permanent doesn't mean it doesn't do its job.

:p
 
You know, it occurs to me that if TLitF costs happy memories, it's probably possible to invent a jutsu that costs bad memories. Or just hides the user's memories or something. Could be useful. Something that 'cost' bad memories would be useful as a treatment for PTSD even if it didn't do anything, and hiding your own memories would mean you couldn't give up secrets, like your world devastating weapons designs. Just for instance.

You want to technique hack a jutsu that costs memories? Let alone use it?

 
You know, it occurs to me that if TLitF costs happy memories, it's probably possible to invent a jutsu that costs bad memories. Or just hides the user's memories or something. Could be useful. Something that 'cost' bad memories would be useful as a treatment for PTSD even if it didn't do anything, and hiding your own memories would mean you couldn't give up secrets, like your world devastating weapons designs. Just for instance.
"I have this vague feeling that I shouldn't tell Jiraiya I'm prepared to go pretty damn far to get him to deal with the Pangolin issue. Ah, it's probably nothing."
 
You want to technique hack a jutsu that costs memories? Let alone use it?


Imagine being able to offer good mental health treatment to ninja so they don't have to be driven to drink by the ghosts of traumatic pasts. Tsunade would probably be all for it, and even from a military rather than a humanitarian position it's a big win if you're not losing a steady stream of ninja to depression/suicide/alcoholism all the time. They'd be able to keep doing the job for longer despite the terrible things that inevitably happen because the memories wouldn't haunt them anymore to the point of becoming crippling or turning them into monsters.

You wouldn't even need to erase memories, just muting the negative emotional reaction would be enough for theraputic purposes, and have the side benefit that you'd still learn from your errors better than someone just telling you about them afterward would drive home the lesson. Although there are applications for erasure too, outside trauma treatment, and some of them aren't even evil. For example, say a ninja wants to leave the village. Right now they can't be allowed to because of the risk of them giving up secrets, which means everyone is basically a prisoner when it comes down to it. If memories were erasable, people who wanted to leave could do so if they were willing to have the militarily sensitive stuff erased. Even if very few people ever exercised the option it'd be a help to morale and Leaf's moral superiority.

You could also do things like erasing an enemy's memories instead of killing them, effectively defeating them without having to resort to murder. Although in story logic that never goes well and they always get their memories back at the worst possible time, so YMMV depending on your local universe's dramatic irony constant.
 
Regarding erasing memories:
"Any explosives 'big enough to change warfare', you forget right now. Scrub them out of your mind. If we could trust the Yamanaka to do it, I'd ask them this minute, but they would quite rightly think it was safer to kill you instead. Think for a second about the kind of people who would want that technology. Enemy agents. Hostile factions, domestic and foreign, who'd want to hold villages to ransom as leverage. Oh, and those wacky ninja who want to end the world. Those pop up every now and again.
 
Human memories are already falliable and sometime very highly inaccurate. And you want to mod justu that let people modify memories at will?
 
Imagine being able to offer good mental health treatment to ninja so they don't have to be driven to drink by the ghosts of traumatic pasts. Tsunade would probably be all for it, and even from a military rather than a humanitarian position it's a big win if you're not losing a steady stream of ninja to depression/suicide/alcoholism all the time. They'd be able to keep doing the job for longer despite the terrible things that inevitably happen because the memories wouldn't haunt them anymore to the point of becoming crippling or turning them into monsters.

You wouldn't even need to erase memories, just muting the negative emotional reaction would be enough for theraputic purposes, and have the side benefit that you'd still learn from your errors better than someone just telling you about them afterward would drive home the lesson. Although there are applications for erasure too, outside trauma treatment, and some of them aren't even evil. For example, say a ninja wants to leave the village. Right now they can't be allowed to because of the risk of them giving up secrets, which means everyone is basically a prisoner when it comes down to it. If memories were erasable, people who wanted to leave could do so if they were willing to have the militarily sensitive stuff erased. Even if very few people ever exercised the option it'd be a help to morale and Leaf's moral superiority.

You could also do things like erasing an enemy's memories instead of killing them, effectively defeating them without having to resort to murder. Although in story logic that never goes well and they always get their memories back at the worst possible time, so YMMV depending on your local universe's dramatic irony constant.
Instead:

Canon has this really nice jutsu which we should technique hack instead and trust me it fixes EVERYTHING.
 
Regarding erasing memories:
Yeah, that's exactly the thing that came to mind when pitching the utility of erasing or hiding one's own memories.
Human memories are already falliable and sometime very highly inaccurate. And you want to mod justu that let people modify memories at will?
Yep, pretty much. I suppose if the manchurian candidate downsides really worry you then you could design a version that can't be used for that, something that just mutes the emotional context of specific memories of willing targets would probably be reasonably safe. But really, if you can technique hack something that specific someone else could probably technique hack a general purpose memory remover, if not modifier.
 
...

I've been turning around an evil thought all day.

Considering Mari's current emotional state...

We might not only be able to escape the Hair Ruffle no Jutsu, we might even be able to return the favor!

please do not actually do this​
 
Come to think of it, I wish we could prove to Mari that we had the skills to avoid being manipulated by anyone no matter how skilled, but I don't think there's any way we could learn that in a hurry.
We could always just laugh in her face and tell her there's about thirty people in Hazou's head at all times manipulating him.
 
Mari:
  • Have a rotation schedule in which someone spend time with her.
  • Make sure to follow Jiraiya's guideline about sharp objects, etc.
 
We could always just laugh in her face and tell her there's about thirty people in Hazou's head at all times manipulating him.

This is the truly ridiculously funny thing about it.

Mari thinks she is the evil mastermind, Hazou's subconscious has been playing you all for saps since Day Zero !
 
You want to technique hack a jutsu that costs memories? Let alone use it?






Imagine being able to offer good mental health treatment to ninja so they don't have to be driven to drink by the ghosts of traumatic pasts. Tsunade would probably be all for it, and even from a military rather than a humanitarian position it's a big win if you're not losing a steady stream of ninja to depression/suicide/alcoholism all the time. They'd be able to keep doing the job for longer despite the terrible things that inevitably happen because the memories wouldn't haunt them anymore to the point of becoming crippling or turning them into monsters.

You wouldn't even need to erase memories, just muting the negative emotional reaction would be enough for theraputic purposes, and have the side benefit that you'd still learn from your errors better than someone just telling you about them afterward would drive home the lesson. Although there are applications for erasure too, outside trauma treatment, and some of them aren't even evil. For example, say a ninja wants to leave the village. Right now they can't be allowed to because of the risk of them giving up secrets, which means everyone is basically a prisoner when it comes down to it. If memories were erasable, people who wanted to leave could do so if they were willing to have the militarily sensitive stuff erased. Even if very few people ever exercised the option it'd be a help to morale and Leaf's moral superiority.

You could also do things like erasing an enemy's memories instead of killing them, effectively defeating them without having to resort to murder. Although in story logic that never goes well and they always get their memories back at the worst possible time, so YMMV depending on your local universe's dramatic irony constant.

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If something could be the subject of an episode of Black Mirror, we should probably avoid it until we take over Keiko and it becomes inevitable.
 
We could always just laugh in her face and tell her there's about thirty people in Hazou's head at all times manipulating him.
M: Oh no, I've literally driven you crazy! Don't you see how bad I am for you, Hazou?

J: Don't feel bad kid, it was worth a shot. For what it's worth, I think your social skills are improving. The feigning crazy play is a more subtle and clever plan than I expected from you.

H: But I-

J: It's fine, I'm sure we'll come up with something to help her eventually.

K: *looks suspiciously at Hazou like everything suddenly makes sense*
 
This is the truly ridiculously funny thing about it.

Mari thinks she is the evil mastermind, Hazou's subconscious has been playing you all for saps since Day Zero !
Coming to think of it- it really shows how a genius alien intelligence may not be so scarily overpowered in a fictional setting.

Look at us- a group of humans subconsciously controlling another human. Just in another world, with some added rules.
That's like easy mode, compared to an actual eldricht horror trying to control a human from his sub-realm in the Out.
Even then we fuck up plenty of times, especially when we run into differences between our world.

An actual alien intelligence trying to control Hazou would have to:
-Learn the rules of physics of his world and apply them in sufficiently efficient manner.
"Right. Bigger things don't fall faster, but they do hurt more when they fall."
-Learn about psychological functioning of a human person.
"Huh. So it actually needs to lie down there for hours every earth rotation. Who knew."
-Learn about ninja style of warfare.
"Oh. So you can't phase your flesh using ¢@. Not even with your Œ†€ in ÔÆœœ¢."
-Try to wrap it's neural glands around the concept of relationships.
"How come they haven't devoured each other's @@£ yet? And why is the ninjutsu specialist suggesting making another team member? We have full composition already."
-Get very offended by the concept of (western) beds. Fail to incure a bed genocide.
"HOW DARE they ELEVATE themselves ABOVE õͩͨͫ̏%̩̃!̮̟@̞͚̰̣̬̒ͥ̍̽̓! I'LL ¥œùÞ¼®¬ EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF you!"
-Complain to the Querying Master about specific aspects of the simulation.
"This human boy lacks any ß«¦! How have his species not fallen to the Sky Brothers already?!"
-Withdraw complaints after hearing about our own performance.
"Maybe we can convince the Explosives Hermit to blow the way to third-and-a-half subrealm? Lupchanzen there are far more docile."
 
Model her behaviour toward Hazou back at her? :whistle:
"Hey, kiddo, whatcha doin' today? *hairruffles*"

"Hazou, what --"

"You pretending to be me again, huh? I know I'm radiant, beautiful, and wonderfully talented, but that's not really a healthy target to compare yourself to. After all, I've had many years to refine my... techniques."
 
[X] Lore Update/Interlude: Because Lighting Up the Dark is eating our time

[X] Interlude: Hana since the Keiko Intercession
 
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