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- Mid-Atlantic
...So, it's Saiyan Wrestling?
Dragon Ball: After the End
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
It's on Kakara, and I think it's probably most constructive that we just agree to disagree.
Spiteful seems pretty in-character for her.
I was responding to people suggesting we let Yammar hit Dandeer, who then argued we wouldn't be at fault for her death.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Vote Tally : Dragon Ball: After the End - Sci-Fi | Page 1274 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 31831-31907]
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Not me.
No. of Votes: 19
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
No. of Votes: 16
[X] Me!
No. of Votes: 10
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
No. of Votes: 3
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Future Trunks, in his fight against Dabura and Babidi
No. of Votes: 1
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Vegeta, during his final battle with Goku.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 36
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Not me.
No. of Votes: 19
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
No. of Votes: 16
[X] Me!
No. of Votes: 10
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
No. of Votes: 3
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Future Trunks, in his fight against Dabura and Babidi
No. of Votes: 1
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Vegeta, during his final battle with Goku.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 36
The lead vote is to drive on with the quest, with a strong secondary opinion in favor of trialing the combat system with a throwback to to the final fight on Namek. I'll close tomorrow.
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- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Me!
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
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- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
Eh, I still don't see a way for us to win the Yammar fight barring crits in our favor, and we really shouldn't make plans betting on that. About the only thing I think we could do (since straight out ITing is apparently too slow) is to toss Dandeer at him and then try an IT, assuming he doesn't throw a blast at us the second we try to do literally anything, or the Communication Check, with very, very careful wording. And one wrong word on the latter would negate it. Trying it during the Dandeer monologue seems like a better idea, as getting one extra chance to do it at the cost of pissing off Poptart seems like a bad trade, considering that even our base PL while wounded is so much higher that Dandeer might as well be on slow-mo when we're trying telepathy.
I mean, maybe using TK to crush all the Senzu Beans so Yammar can't heal Dandeer by himself, and he keeps blanking out whenever someone refuses to heal her so that it's a race for whoever wakes up first might work, but I'd not count on our sensing being good enough when the beans aren't exactly powerhouses.
Eh, I still don't see a way for us to win the Yammar fight barring crits in our favor, and we really shouldn't make plans betting on that. About the only thing I think we could do (since straight out ITing is apparently too slow) is to toss Dandeer at him and then try an IT, assuming he doesn't throw a blast at us the second we try to do literally anything, or the Communication Check, with very, very careful wording. And one wrong word on the latter would negate it. Trying it during the Dandeer monologue seems like a better idea, as getting one extra chance to do it at the cost of pissing off Poptart seems like a bad trade, considering that even our base PL while wounded is so much higher that Dandeer might as well be on slow-mo when we're trying telepathy.
I mean, maybe using TK to crush all the Senzu Beans so Yammar can't heal Dandeer by himself, and he keeps blanking out whenever someone refuses to heal her so that it's a race for whoever wakes up first might work, but I'd not count on our sensing being good enough when the beans aren't exactly powerhouses.
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Doing a reread now. Dunno if people have pointed this out already, but in the visit to the Ancestor Faith, it's mentioned that Dandeer was moving rapidly around the meeting hall. And then...
Her reputation wasn't nearly good enough (AFAIK) to pull a crowd of ardent supporters, so was she just brainwashing people into taking her side? Or am I reading too much into it?
Her reputation wasn't nearly good enough (AFAIK) to pull a crowd of ardent supporters, so was she just brainwashing people into taking her side? Or am I reading too much into it?
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- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
With what Kakara now knows of magic, she can with confidence say that Dandeer was too exposed to have cast something unnoticed unless she was setting off triggers like she did today -- and if she was doing that, the Faith wouldn't have been so soundly against her.
Kakara thinks that Dandeer was getting in some last-minute-politicking.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Easy way to win the Yammar Fight: Let him kill Dandeer.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
I'm surprised she hasn't since leveraged her magic to get back in.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
[X] Me!
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
I do find it weird how mastering multiple styles is a flat additive bonus. I can understand the logic, but it doesn't feel like it conforms to the concepts of styles very well. Dragon ball doesn't really feel like a place where a mishmash of styles together work well, Goku excepted.
Anyway I kinda want to swing Dandeer around by the tail a little more.
Also, I get the feeling that if we asked Dandeer what happened to the sorcerers, we'd getting a blank look of confusion.
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
I do find it weird how mastering multiple styles is a flat additive bonus. I can understand the logic, but it doesn't feel like it conforms to the concepts of styles very well. Dragon ball doesn't really feel like a place where a mishmash of styles together work well, Goku excepted.
Anyway I kinda want to swing Dandeer around by the tail a little more.
Also, I get the feeling that if we asked Dandeer what happened to the sorcerers, we'd getting a blank look of confusion.
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...it's not a flat additive bonus. You can only use one style at a time, so having more styles allows you to be more flexible in which bonus you're using, but it doesn't allow you to use both at the same time.
Also, mastering ONE style is the work of years. Once you have put in all that work you probably get more by bringing the various style techniques to elite and so unlocking the respective elite talents rather than trying to master a second style focused on completely different techniques. Do this for every technique in the style, and at that point the average TALENTED saiyan probably took 20 years or so to do it. Maybe more.
Would you, at that point, start again with a completely new style from incipient, which would require you to focus on techniques different from those you have perfected in years or even decades of training? It would be a bit like starting again from level 1 when you're already level 80 or so. Most would probably rather try to modify their already mastered style, maybe add one or two techniques from other styles in it instead.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Oh ok, must have misunderstood.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
I have posted a clarification at the front of the styles section of the Rules Screen, to prevent future misunderstandings.
EllenTenshima
Tengu Mask
You are wrong.
People have being claiming Kakara would only be partially at fault at most, because you only ever mentioned Kakara and it looked like you are implying that no one else was at fault as well.
Not that i agree with either side. It's completely Yammar's fault.
Because poptart has long said that Yammar's response would be the same even if Kakara was attempting to heal someone else, and it would be completely, totally, 100% in character for Kakara to protect her downed ally and let Dandeer die as opposed to, you know, the opposite.
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- Actually pretty lost
So, for example, if we could convince Papata Fren, we could get her to teach us how to explode dice on figuring out what someone isn't saying? EDIT: Without it taking up an Elite Talent slot for us?
We might be pretty convincing of our need for that, after this whole debacle
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- Australia
@PoptartProdigy, what did meditating before the battle do?
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
Kakara would be actively making the choice to keep Dandeer in a lethal area. Kakara would be just as much at fault as Yammer is.
And ultimately, my point was that Kakara is responsible for Kakara. We aren't voting for other character's actions. We're voting for Kakara's.
And I will vote against this plan, which is just as murderous as Kakara snapping Dandeer's neck herself, any and every time it comes up.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
With respect, while we know what Yammar will do, Kakara doesn't. I could see her assuming that Yammar would be bluffing due to the mind control.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Then we're responsible. My point doesn't change and I'm tired of debating this sort of moral needle-threading with people who seem determined to work around the most fundamental character trait of Kakara and one of the main reasons this Quest has been so fascinating and engaging.
Again, I will vote against these measures. But I don't think hashing the same point back and forth is productive for any of us.
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- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You sure can!So, for example, if we could convince Papata Fren, we could get her to teach us how to explode dice on figuring out what someone isn't saying? EDIT: Without it taking up an Elite Talent slot for us?
We might be pretty convincing of our need for that, after this whole debacle
It has in general been giving you passive bonuses to a bevy of rolls, representing that Kakara got her personal shit together in advance of this whole business.