Until now there have been consequences to crippling contestants. That will no longer be nearly as much the case in the bloodsport tournament where the daimyos expect a good show to bet on, and against Goketsu in particular there will be no consequences.
Hm? We're part of the ruling clan of Leaf, which is a) one of the strongest villages and b) by that point already in alliance with Mist, in which the tournament will be taking place. Why would there be no consequences for crippling us?
 
Nonono.

That's in my "Can I even *possibly* fudge the numbers to make this work?" Analysis.

The answer is one of the following:

1) For some reason,some people have much higher or much lower base scores than we thought
2) No, it simply can't happen. Not unless we get a few people to drop out.
3) No, it simply can't happen. Not unless word half stuff is worth anything.
4) Some combination of the above.
 
Team Kurenai decided against participating in our alliance, and the price was getting demolished. Had they not made that decision, I would be all for helping them into the tournament. As it stands, their abject failure is an adequately costly lesson to ensure they learn not to cross us when we extend the courtesy of an offer to cooperate to mutual benefit before treating them as obstacles.

The thing to understand is that there cannot and will not be political rivalries in the future. The problems that beset this world are too great for this level of petty shortsightedness and squabbles over local politics.

Hiashi had his play, and his farcical and selfish grab for power and status has been thoroughly rebuked by Jiraiya's demonstration -- and our own by proxy -- that he and he alone is fit to lead Leaf.

Hyuga, Aburame, and Inuzuka will fall in line behind Gōketsu, the same as every other Leaf clan, and together we will triumph. ...Or they can choose to stand in our way and be crushed underfoot.

There will be time to extend another offer to Hyuga Hinata soon enough. Now is not that time.
TBH I'm more confident in our ability to beat Team Kurenai in the tournament than anyone else though, too. We could have lost to the lightning aura guy.
Nonono.

That's in my "Can I even *possibly* fudge the numbers to make this work?" Analysis.

The answer is one of the following:

1) For some reason, people have much higher base scores than we thought
2) No, it simply can't happen. Not unless we get a few people to drop out.
3) No, it simply can't happen. Not unless word half stuff is worth anything.
4) Some combination of the above.
is that even accounting for them having a higher score in the second event?
 
is that even accounting for them having a higher score in the second event?
I'm assuming they have a ~648 point total breakdown something like

Event 2:100
Event 3:298
Event 4: 250

I think the above is unreasonable. This is @Noumero 's rough estimate for "Theoretically Perfect Genin Squad."

There scores in the swamp and merchant events can not exceed our total. We where in first place at that time
True.
*looks at the above*

Well, good luck to them..
 
I'm assuming they have a ~648 point total breakdown something like

Event 2:100
Event 3:298
Event 4: 250

I think the above is unreasonable. This is @Noumero 's rough estimate for "Theoretically Perfect Genin Squad."


True.
*looks at the above*

Well, good luck to them..
I expect Hinata to have a significantly higher score in Event 4, on the order of 400.
 
Hm? We're part of the ruling clan of Leaf, which is a) one of the strongest villages and b) by that point already in alliance with Mist, in which the tournament will be taking place. Why would there be no consequences for crippling us?

I doubt that a formal Mist-Leaf alliance is going to be settled before the tournament. It sounds as if there are a lot of players in Mist who aren't on board with it yet, which actually increases the chances of an attack.

There won't be retaliation from Leaf because this is an understood part of the tournament and Leaf trying to throw weight around over it will get the other participants to unify against them or even deny them access to the next Exams.

We've been told that the major consequences of crippling an opponent in a fight are judgement by your own village that you are not tactically flexible enough for some classes of missions. This doesn't apply if the ones doing the crippling can convincingly argue that they did it for other reasons.



Nonono.

That's in my "Can I even *possibly* fudge the numbers to make this work?" Analysis.

The answer is one of the following:

1) For some reason,some people have much higher or much lower base scores than we thought
2) No, it simply can't happen. Not unless we get a few people to drop out.
3) No, it simply can't happen. Not unless word half stuff is worth anything.
4) Some combination of the above.

Have you accounted for the fact that there were several people on both our and Shika's teams, and therefore presumably on the others who were planning to drop out of the tournament regardless of their scores?
 
Prior experience with the hivemind suggests that this is something I need to explicitly state:


The most important parts of the scoring were in place before all this discussion ever happened. The rest were done as fairly and simulationistly as possible with no agenda in mind, considering each event in isolation without looking at what it did to final scores or rankings until everything was complete. Nothing was fudged[1]​ although in some of the less important cases I didn't bother checking on the person's stats before deciding, e.g. how many seals they got in round 2.

I am fully aware that the hivemind has a particular set of beliefs about who should and shouldn't be in the exams -- not just Kurenai, but other people as well. I am confident that, if my current proposal is agreed to by @Velorien and @OliWhail, there will be some subset of the players that disagrees with some subset of the rankings. Unless the other QMs strongly object, I will release the full scores for all events for the top people, so you will be able to see the logic.

When the rankings and/or scores are finally released, the only acceptable response is: "Good, that's settled." If you feel a need to throw salt step away from your keyboard until you don't.

[1] The one exception is that we jumped Team Kurenai's score in round 2 by a moderate amount in order to match what Shikamaru said. This did not significantly change their final ranking. ​
 
Prior experience with the hivemind suggests that this is something I need to explicitly state:


The most important parts of the scoring were in place before all this discussion ever happened. The rest were done as fairly and simulationistly as possible with no agenda in mind, considering each event in isolation without looking at what it did to final scores or rankings until everything was complete. Nothing was fudged[1]​ although in some of the less important cases I didn't bother checking on the person's stats before deciding, e.g. how many seals they got in round 2.

I am fully aware that the hivemind has a particular set of beliefs about who should and shouldn't be in the exams -- not just Kurenai, but other people as well. I am confident that, if my current proposal is agreed to by @Velorien and @OliWhail, there will be some subset of the players that disagrees with some subset of the rankings. Unless the other QMs strongly object, I will release the full scores for all events for the top people, so you will be able to see the logic.

When the rankings and/or scores are finally released, the only acceptable response is: "Good, that's settled." If you feel a need to throw salt step away from your keyboard until you don't.

[1] The one exception is that we jumped Team Kurenai's score in round 2 by a moderate amount in order to match what Shikamaru said. This did not significantly change their final ranking. ​
OH GOD WE DIDN'T MAKE THE TOURNAMENT AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
Prior experience with the hivemind suggests that this is something I need to explicitly state:


The most important parts of the scoring were in place before all this discussion ever happened. The rest were done as fairly and simulationistly as possible with no agenda in mind, considering each event in isolation without looking at what it did to final scores or rankings until everything was complete. Nothing was fudged[1]​ although in some of the less important cases I didn't bother checking on the person's stats before deciding, e.g. how many seals they got in round 2.

I am fully aware that the hivemind has a particular set of beliefs about who should and shouldn't be in the exams -- not just Kurenai, but other people as well. I am confident that, if my current proposal is agreed to by @Velorien and @OliWhail, there will be some subset of the players that disagrees with some subset of the rankings. Unless the other QMs strongly object, I will release the full scores for all events for the top people, so you will be able to see the logic.

When the rankings and/or scores are finally released, the only acceptable response is: "Good, that's settled." If you feel a need to throw salt step away from your keyboard until you don't.

[1] The one exception is that we jumped Team Kurenai's score in round 2 by a moderate amount in order to match what Shikamaru said. This did not significantly change their final ranking. ​
I'm definitely curious to see the scores! It'll be interesting.

(Note: Said with good nature/genuine curiousity, no sarcasm.)
 
OH GOD WE DIDN'T MAKE THE TOURNAMENT AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Prior experience with the hivemind suggests that this is something I need to explicitly state:

I am fully aware that the hivemind has a particular set of beliefs about who should and shouldn't be in the exams -- not just Kurenai, but other people as well.
This suggests to me that the rankings aren't stuff most everyone would strongly dislike (such as us not making the tournament), just stuff that the more opinionated among us might dislike, such as the states of Team Kurenai, Team Downfall, Pikachu, etc.
 
Hahahahahah. Oh boy, the team failed to make the Tournament. Jiraiya lost his bets and therefore his position as Hokage. Well.

Time to start planning for the situation of being a new, weak, clan among many. Too bad about Hana, with Jiraiya's loss in authority probably means that fake-ambassador deal is done.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by MMKII on Aug 21, 2018 at 4:35 PM, finished with 707 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Loose Ends
    [X][Mist] Go
    [X][WH] Took all the WH (54 total) and kept them for Uplift
    [X] Do not give away any word-halves unless explicitly instructed by Noburi/Keiko and Jiraiya
    [X] (lethal) Yes
    [x] (mist) Stay
    [X] If we ever find a telescope merchant, kill them.
    [X] Interlude: the Kages react to our performance in the Exams
    [X] Interlude: team Downfall reacts to our performance in the Exams
    [X] Interlude: the Pangolins react to the world halves
    [X] Do not give away any word-halves unless explicitly instructed by Jiraiya or Noburi AND Keiko
    "[X] Armageddon Initiative" is a meme of similar usage, but different caliber.
    "[X] (lethal) Yes" is to "[X] Armageddon Initiative" like "Kill it with fire!" is to "NUKE IT FROM ORBIT".
    [X][Mist] Stay
    [X][WH] Took all the WH, except those of Team Downfall and Kurenai, and kept them for Uplift
    [X][WH] Took all the WH and gave some of them to your teammates on Red Team One
    [X][WH] Took all the WH (54 total) and kept them
    [X][WH] Took all the WH, except those of Team Downfall, and kept them for Uplift
 
Please vote and give feedback for the plan.

@Oneiros, @Immortal Lurker @faflec @Anderkent @Kiba @Noumero @Adept_Woodwright @Erolki @Nachtigall

All in favor of dropping the word half nonsense on the off chance we need every point we can scrounge together?

(@Noumero! To the Theoretically Competent Chunin-Imposter Candidate Mobile! I will PM you).
I don't think we should be voting at all tbh. We don't have enough information that we should have (via Keiko if nothing else).
 
@MMKII: My personal vote would be to return only team Kurenai's own three word halves and keep all others. They avoid the penalty we assume is around -100 points (and can gain points for event 1 instead of failing it), but if that isn't enough, tough for them.
 
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