[X] Onmur
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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I am sure rionna will have the patience of a saint as we spiel
OctarineShrike
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I am sure rionna will have the patience of a saint as we spiel
Hence the shortness of my offer that enables us to actually be frank and upfront.
Refinement:
[x] Take a moment to calm down.
-[X] Tell Riona you appreciate her being frank and upfront. You'll try to do the same.
-[X] You're disgusted and want to make that kind of justice unnecessary. Preferably by making Witchification reversible and ubiquitous cleansing based on your power.
-[X]You are concerned this will move Kyubey to direct action against you and want an insurance policy because supposedly witchification provides large amounts of energy to stave off entropy. If Kyubey is Kardashev T4 that would be bad.
-[X]You can make grief seeds last longer, ease their suffering but that doesn't actually solve the prisoner inside them.
-[X]If you're slain, the dream must not die with you. Stop taking souls. Work with you to evaluate souls for rebodiment or release into whatever afterlife exists. Free cleansing for life and she gets to be your insurance policy if she can claim you.
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
If you want, I guess? There's probably a thread for Star Wars novels around here somewhere, too.
(Aaron Allston was by far the better writer, probably my favorite to ever work on the franchise, BTW.
)This is basically a case of me copying an incorrect usage I'd seen by someone who was clearly not as fluent as they thought they were. (Not something I would usually do, but I was in a goofy mood and hadn't had my coffee yet.) In English, basically all I was going for was, "Slow your roll there, buddy." Smart-ass, sure, but not insulting.
Based on what we've been told about her so far, I don't think she would do something so generically supervillain-esque. It doesn't really fit what Nadia told us about her or what she said to justify her own actions to us (and possibly to herself). Further information might prove otherwise, but I think Riona probably needs those justifications to live with herself.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
One of these things is not like the others! Who wants to direct the IC conversation? What do they want to listen to??
Our imaginations thus far reduce to exactly the following?
Option one:
Listen to Rionna.
Idealism! w/ light rebuke of her actions.
Invitation.
Option two:
Listen to Rionna
Idealism!
Option three:
Listen to Rionna
Rebuke more
Idealism, bet our life on it
Invitation
Option four:
Combat and body kill
Option five:
Kill
Option six:
Combat preparation
Interrogate Rionna about shades / Rebuke
Invite as ultimatum
Option seven:
Interrogate Rionna about shades
Idealism!
Option eight :
Interview Rionna with a goal
Idealism!
I think only one option tries to directly pursue understanding the Magical Girl in front of us. Brush aside the punishment talk, and get her wish story and living circumstance. Be critical readers.
If we allow only to Rionna direct the conversation, we only get to hear what she thinks is important, not what we want to know.
I offered it to you all, no doubt.
Our imaginations thus far reduce to exactly the following?
Option one:
Listen to Rionna.
Idealism! w/ light rebuke of her actions.
Invitation.
Option two:
Listen to Rionna
Idealism!
Option three:
Listen to Rionna
Rebuke more
Idealism, bet our life on it
Invitation
Option four:
Combat and body kill
Option five:
Kill
Option six:
Combat preparation
Interrogate Rionna about shades / Rebuke
Invite as ultimatum
Option seven:
Interrogate Rionna about shades
Idealism!
Option eight :
Interview Rionna with a goal
Idealism!
I think only one option tries to directly pursue understanding the Magical Girl in front of us. Brush aside the punishment talk, and get her wish story and living circumstance. Be critical readers.
If we allow only to Rionna direct the conversation, we only get to hear what she thinks is important, not what we want to know.
I offered it to you all, no doubt.
TJSomething
That's... that's impossible!
I now will mentally replace all subtitles for "teme" and "kisama" with Scottish insults.
OctarineShrike
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@HeroCycle as I said about her drinking patterns, Riona doesn't seem to be in a mood to answer more questions. When we asked, she drank.
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- Potato land
I am sure rionna will have the patience of a saint as we spiel
The leading vote starts by asking her to elaborate. It only then follows up with our spiel. If she can't even be bothered to extend us the courtesy of listening for a few minutes, about what should be obvious are matters of great importance, then she can kindly fuck off back to Dublin, as far as I'm concerned. You can't deal with someone unwilling to listen to begin with.
I think she will, though. Considering what we think she came to Mitakihara for, Clear Seeds should be of great interest to her.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Maybe she issued herself a drinking challenge. Now all we need to do is find all the instances when she sipped, chugged or drank from her flask, find all the consistencies, and make her drink until she runs off to the water closet, I guess?
(Aaron Allston was by far the better writer, probably my favorite to ever work on the franchise, BTW.
This. This is what Heresy looks like.
Demosthenes
PhotoFop
- Location
- 'Murica
Whuh-oh! I sure do hate the feeling of eggshells between my toes.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Random thought: Get Riona more cider. Surely Homu's got some she can share, and with timestop, grief control, and a cellphone, we can make it look like we just pulled the cider out of hammerspace.
I'm sure this will get us enough Riona points that she will refrain from murder... as long as we keep giving showing our worth by giving her cider.
See, there's something one needs to understand about those who manipulate the Soul. They have seen all there is to humanity, and understand it's worth naught.
What really matters?
The drinks.
I'm sure this will get us enough Riona points that she will refrain from murder... as long as we keep giving showing our worth by giving her cider.
See, there's something one needs to understand about those who manipulate the Soul. They have seen all there is to humanity, and understand it's worth naught.
What really matters?
The drinks.
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
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- Twin Realms Mandala
I'm not familiar with that one; the one I watch says "Hey guys!"
ai kizuna
I think she might be one of the first ones
Sabs can tots do some lets plays with Mami and post on nico
Asking her what she needs for her magic flask does sound like a good idea.Random thought: Get Riona more cider. Surely Homu's got some she can share, and with timestop, grief control, and a cellphone, we can make it look like we just pulled the cider out of hammerspace.
I'm sure this will get us enough Riona points that she will refrain from murder... as long as we keep giving showing our worth by giving her cider.
See, there's something one needs to understand about those who manipulate the Soul. They have seen all there is to humanity, and understand it's worth naught.
What really matters?
The drinks.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
More spin control ideas for Sayaka and/or Mami assuming we reach an accord.
In case you hear it from Kyubey later, you reached a deal with Riona for research and to begin undoing the punishments she's inflicted. Without infinite cleansing to be able to afford imprisoning wrongdoers and with a power that needs minions she has resorted to Vlad the Impaler tactics in the name of justice. She uses her power to hunt down the souls of murderers, false griefbenders, and people who use infohazards maliciously and bind them into her service as a warning to others. Fighting her would be exactly as bad as fighting
you, she's basically a nuclear power considering she gets the powers of the souls she takes, so you're glad the two of you were able to come to a peaceful arrangement.
In case you hear it from Kyubey later, you reached a deal with Riona for research and to begin undoing the punishments she's inflicted. Without infinite cleansing to be able to afford imprisoning wrongdoers and with a power that needs minions she has resorted to Vlad the Impaler tactics in the name of justice. She uses her power to hunt down the souls of murderers, false griefbenders, and people who use infohazards maliciously and bind them into her service as a warning to others. Fighting her would be exactly as bad as fighting
you, she's basically a nuclear power considering she gets the powers of the souls she takes, so you're glad the two of you were able to come to a peaceful arrangement.
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Warning: Hey there
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- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
hey there
Just as a friendly warning, let's respect it when someone says they don't want to be called something, yeah?.
Demosthenes
PhotoFop
- Location
- 'Murica
Staff Notice
I didn't call anyone anything;
I've learned where this rabbit hole goes already, thank you very much.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
I'm sure she isn't in the mood for a deep chat, I agree.
You are supporting that from her descriptions.
Where we diverge is in the concept that we will have to go farther from her comfort zone, and get her to show us what we are interested in. I want us to pursue backstory. Simply learning that she is a veteran and desensitized to violence is not enough data.
Why should we not try? We do not need to repeatedly smack any triggers we discover. But as the person coming to our place, she can be asked as long as we respect hospitality and common sense.
Rionna has motive to talk about the hard choices she has made, whatever reasoning that is. I suspect that she wants to withdraw, now that her Justice mission is fubar. Sabrina has different motives, and wants to predict Rionna's future performance, based upon the rest of the morality and history she can discover. We are trying to see the person from all angles.
OctarineShrike
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We could probably argue hypotheticals like this all day. If we wanted to try reading more into the flask, you could get "If I'm able to fully process what I've done, what I've seen, I'll grief spiral on the spot."
If that's the case, we'd need to get her a lot more sloshed than she is for her to safely tell us anything. Us dragging that stuff up would make her process it.
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- USA, Midworld world line
I am eagerly awaiting more primary material. What are the odds we have to add substance abuse counseling to our therapist wishlist?
Likely she can talk about it, particularly if Sabrina is there to purge her Grief. We can make it safe.
If she was coping with the witchbomb by addiction, we might be her only way to unload safely?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I'd call that a maybe leaning towards true. That doesn't mean Rionna's internalized a notion like "Grief Spirals are survivable if Sabrina is near".
Edit: My plan does fish for backstory I just realized. Going over old cases with her in the future.
Further Refinement. 132 Words. 129 If you exclude stage directions.
[x] Take a moment to calm down.
-[X] Tell Riona you appreciate her frankness. You'll try to do the same.
-[X] You can't do that and want to make that kind of justice unnecessary now. Preferably by making Witchification reversible and ubiquitous cleansing based on your power.
-[X]You can make grief seeds last longer, ease their suffering but that doesn't free their prisoners. *Show clear seed*
-[X]You are concerned going beyond this will move Kyubey to direct action and want an insurance policy because worst case, Kyubey is Kardashev T4.
-[X]Your power must be preserved. Stop taking souls. Work with you to evaluate souls for rebodiment or release into whatever afterlife exists. Free cleansing for life and she gets to be your insurance policy if she can claim you.
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Stop: I should not have to do this
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- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
i should not have to do this
First of all, the warning was not for you choosing to call someone something, it was for respecting that choice. Secondly, if you want to argue with a moderator, do so in private messages or better yet, the Ask A Private Question or Appeals forums. I'm going to give you a staff notice under rule 5, and then we'll forget this incident and you can go back to enjoying the quest, yeah?
Sovereign Hunt
A Concentric Circle
- Location
- Bereft of Name
[X] Onmur
{Well that escalated} Indeed.
{Well that escalated} Indeed.
Point Insertion pt. 22
That's kind of horrifying. She claims she only does that to bad people, but the sheer dismissive unconcern she demonstrates is worrying. And she did say her powers work on non-magical people. The implications are... unambiguous and chilling to the core.
And they think. They think and problem-solve and she says they're not aware?
Thoughts race through your mind, crystal chains sparkling through the dark.
Madokami, but you-
She's so callous about it. Not even flippant, simply callous and dismissive- don't worry about it, she says. If that's the attitude she treats the entire thing with, how can you possibly trust that she did only use her powers on 'bad' people? She used it on non-magical people.
Governments don't treat the death penalty as lightly as she does, let alone Soul-lobotomies.
Do you take her down? It's not going to be an easy thing to do. She takes people's Souls. Can you afford not to do something right here, right now? You could-
You could grab her Gem. She can't summon her shades inside the sphere, so keep her here. Eject her body. She could still act as a Gem, perhaps the most likely of any magical girl you've ever met to be able to do so. Get Mami to summon Homura, because timestop should answer any problems until you can contain her.
And- she has shades guarding her territory. That's what she implied. Can you assume they're not on dead man's switches? You'll need to figure out how to handle that. Kirika's antimagic, maybe. You'd have to convince Homura perhaps, or-
You can't negotiate with her if you open hostilities, but you don't-
She rips people's Souls out and enslaves them. You can't work with someone who does that, but you don't-
You want to be sure. You want to be absolutely sure before you pull the trigger.
Madoka Wished that everything could be fixed. You can't work with her as is, but perhaps you can't condemn her either. Not yet.
You'll hear her out, at least.
You exhale slowly, forcing your heart to slow even as Rionna's lips twitch into a faint smile.
"Y' don't like that, do you?" she says. "Not too many do."
"I..." you wet your lips. "I appreciate you being frank and upfront. I'll try and do the same - and, uh, if I'm monologuing, feel free to interrupt me at anytime?"
Rionna shrugs, eyeing you and uncapping her flask to take another swig.
"I want to create a better world," you say quietly, looking down at your hands. "Your previous actions might have been necessary at the time. I don't..."
Second chances.
"You don't judge me," Rionna says. "Y' have no right to."
Doesn't she deserve a second chance too? For all the things she's done, she's trapped in this system, too. She's done monstrous things. But anything you enable is on your hands, if only by letting her walk away.
"I... look," you say, grimacing. "I want magical girls to work together. I know things right now aren't ideal, but working together, with mutual support - I want there to be justice. Justice, protection, equity, accountability for magical girls so we don't all have to struggle."
And- second chances. You're reminded of Oriko's resignation to her death, and yet she'd still expected to meet you afterwards.
... as a shade, perhaps?
It's nothing but speculation, but it would line up. And it would line up with Oriko's later prediction that she'd be killed by a blonde, green-eyed magical girl, when Rionna is blonde and green-eyed.
Oriko warned you off bringing up Rionna's sister. You can only speculate that her sister died, and Rionna Wished to bring her back.
Rionna takes another sip from her flask, watching you silently.
"The thing is, I can cleanse Soul Gems and Grief Seeds," you say. "I can even empty Grief Seeds out to become Clear Seeds, like this." You dig Hildegarde from your pocket, holding it out for her to see.
Rionna reaches for the Clear Seed, but you shake your head, pulling it back with what you hope is an apologetic smile.
"I... I'm sorry," you say. "I don't know you."
"Mm," Rionna says. "And you do not have trust in me. Understandable. You want me to not do what I do."
"Well..." you say.
"No," Rionna says. "I cannot."
"Cannot, or will not?" you ask, bristling. "Because I've got some ideas-"
"Cannot and will not," Rionna says. She drains her flask, tipping her head back for the last drops, and sets it aside. "You do not trust me. I don't trust you."
"You can stay around, and we can-" you start, only to be cut off.
"Is that all of ye, or just yourself?" Rionna asks, rolling her eyes. "I'm to stay a day and flying back home."
"Ah. Pre-booked tickets?" you say. "But what do you mean by cannot and will not? I mean, I know things can't happen instantly, but I really do have ideas."
"I hold on to the shades, or they fade away," Rionna says, folding her arms. "I've spent years building my collection. It's what I have to use to secure my city."
"I-" She cuts you off again, leaning forward.
"Whisht," Rionna snaps, and smirks. It's not a nice smirk. "I rip people's Souls out, screaming and kicking. It's not pretty and it's not nice. Who knows, maybe I've done it to some 'good people'. Wouldn't know for sure, I wouldn't. But here's how it is: You don't tell me how to do things, and I don't finish a fight neither of us want."
[] How do you react?
[] Ask about the shades
- [] The kind of people she's attacked
- [] Is she sure they're sub-sapient?
[] Try and somehow convince her to release the shades
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)
In which Rionna short-circuits most of Onmur's giant vote.
And they think. They think and problem-solve and she says they're not aware?
Thoughts race through your mind, crystal chains sparkling through the dark.
Madokami, but you-
She's so callous about it. Not even flippant, simply callous and dismissive- don't worry about it, she says. If that's the attitude she treats the entire thing with, how can you possibly trust that she did only use her powers on 'bad' people? She used it on non-magical people.
Governments don't treat the death penalty as lightly as she does, let alone Soul-lobotomies.
Do you take her down? It's not going to be an easy thing to do. She takes people's Souls. Can you afford not to do something right here, right now? You could-
You could grab her Gem. She can't summon her shades inside the sphere, so keep her here. Eject her body. She could still act as a Gem, perhaps the most likely of any magical girl you've ever met to be able to do so. Get Mami to summon Homura, because timestop should answer any problems until you can contain her.
And- she has shades guarding her territory. That's what she implied. Can you assume they're not on dead man's switches? You'll need to figure out how to handle that. Kirika's antimagic, maybe. You'd have to convince Homura perhaps, or-
You can't negotiate with her if you open hostilities, but you don't-
She rips people's Souls out and enslaves them. You can't work with someone who does that, but you don't-
You want to be sure. You want to be absolutely sure before you pull the trigger.
Madoka Wished that everything could be fixed. You can't work with her as is, but perhaps you can't condemn her either. Not yet.
You'll hear her out, at least.
You exhale slowly, forcing your heart to slow even as Rionna's lips twitch into a faint smile.
"Y' don't like that, do you?" she says. "Not too many do."
"I..." you wet your lips. "I appreciate you being frank and upfront. I'll try and do the same - and, uh, if I'm monologuing, feel free to interrupt me at anytime?"
Rionna shrugs, eyeing you and uncapping her flask to take another swig.
"I want to create a better world," you say quietly, looking down at your hands. "Your previous actions might have been necessary at the time. I don't..."
Second chances.
"You don't judge me," Rionna says. "Y' have no right to."
Doesn't she deserve a second chance too? For all the things she's done, she's trapped in this system, too. She's done monstrous things. But anything you enable is on your hands, if only by letting her walk away.
"I... look," you say, grimacing. "I want magical girls to work together. I know things right now aren't ideal, but working together, with mutual support - I want there to be justice. Justice, protection, equity, accountability for magical girls so we don't all have to struggle."
And- second chances. You're reminded of Oriko's resignation to her death, and yet she'd still expected to meet you afterwards.
... as a shade, perhaps?
It's nothing but speculation, but it would line up. And it would line up with Oriko's later prediction that she'd be killed by a blonde, green-eyed magical girl, when Rionna is blonde and green-eyed.
Oriko warned you off bringing up Rionna's sister. You can only speculate that her sister died, and Rionna Wished to bring her back.
Rionna takes another sip from her flask, watching you silently.
"The thing is, I can cleanse Soul Gems and Grief Seeds," you say. "I can even empty Grief Seeds out to become Clear Seeds, like this." You dig Hildegarde from your pocket, holding it out for her to see.
Rionna reaches for the Clear Seed, but you shake your head, pulling it back with what you hope is an apologetic smile.
"I... I'm sorry," you say. "I don't know you."
"Mm," Rionna says. "And you do not have trust in me. Understandable. You want me to not do what I do."
"Well..." you say.
"No," Rionna says. "I cannot."
"Cannot, or will not?" you ask, bristling. "Because I've got some ideas-"
"Cannot and will not," Rionna says. She drains her flask, tipping her head back for the last drops, and sets it aside. "You do not trust me. I don't trust you."
"You can stay around, and we can-" you start, only to be cut off.
"Is that all of ye, or just yourself?" Rionna asks, rolling her eyes. "I'm to stay a day and flying back home."
"Ah. Pre-booked tickets?" you say. "But what do you mean by cannot and will not? I mean, I know things can't happen instantly, but I really do have ideas."
"I hold on to the shades, or they fade away," Rionna says, folding her arms. "I've spent years building my collection. It's what I have to use to secure my city."
"I-" She cuts you off again, leaning forward.
"Whisht," Rionna snaps, and smirks. It's not a nice smirk. "I rip people's Souls out, screaming and kicking. It's not pretty and it's not nice. Who knows, maybe I've done it to some 'good people'. Wouldn't know for sure, I wouldn't. But here's how it is: You don't tell me how to do things, and I don't finish a fight neither of us want."
[] How do you react?
[] Ask about the shades
- [] The kind of people she's attacked
- [] Is she sure they're sub-sapient?
[] Try and somehow convince her to release the shades
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)
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In which Rionna short-circuits most of Onmur's giant vote.
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So I'm just going to chime in here.
SV's rules aside - look. We're here for PMAS, right? Well, look. Sabrina respects people, what they want -or not- to be called. Kyousuke aside - and that was a joke, one not even really directed at him. Just keep that in mind, yeah?