No clear seed is unconditional: all are on the conditon of "help meguca, or at least send them my way." (or something among these lines)
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Wait, what? Where are you getting this from? :O
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Citation on Misato's power, please? I had a look and didn't spot any references to what it was. (Nor Noriko's level of skill.)
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Does Akemi actually need book recommendations, or could she just walk into a bookstore and grab a random book off the shelf and have it turn out good?
"Walpurgisnacht is coming, and you need to evacuate." -> "You need to evacuate because Walpurgisnacht is coming."
"We don't have time to hunt witches, could you find them for us?" -> "Could you just find witches for us to hunt?"
Shame that they nerfed him in Brawl.
You just have to say what they're doing first.Maybe a wordsmith would have phrased things in a way that would somehow sound less manipulative, but I'm no wordsmith.
"Walpurgisnacht is coming, and you need to evacuate." -> "You need to evacuate because Walpurgisnacht is coming."
"We don't have time to hunt witches, could you find them for us?" -> "Could you just find witches for us to hunt?"
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
"If you find a witch, tell us where so we can hunt it." and "We don't really have a lot of time available to go looking for witches, so if you want something to do while seeing the sights of Mitakihara (before Walpurgis) you could do us a solid."
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
From Firn. I've been working on a series of omakes about the Shioga girls. Since it's basically irrelevant now, I don't see the harm in sharing some vague, general tidbits about misatos power, or that Noriko is skilled (she's still alive, after all).
Like how Kyouko makes up for having lost her clone power by being extremely skilled and creative with her weapon. Or how, conversely, Sabrina and Sayaka, being magic powerhouses with an overwhelming array of capabilities to master, are relatively lackluster with their pure weapon/melee skills.
Come to think of it, we could introduce them to Kyouko, and suggest she and Noriko spar, for fun if nothing else.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
By the way, maybe this will be a good thing for Kyouko. She's got all this (now) useless knowledge about clone meguca combat, and passing it onto Sayaka might help justify her possessing that knowledge, in her mind, make it useful and worth having (again).
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
Random thought as I continue rewatching the series via let's watches- it's interesting that the end of this week is the approximate time of Sayaka's prophesied mysterious death here in PMAS, given that in canon she was listed as disappeared on the 12th, which may itself have coincided with her running off to go self-destruct at Familiars instead of her actual Witching or her Witch's subsequent death; there's enough time between the events that it's possible that our mysterious Sayaka-incident may well be planned to coincide exactly with one of those canon moments.
Feels like something that was probably mentioned in the past at some point, but it's interesting to note.
... we should proooobably keep an eye on all our people, Sayaka included, in the next few days, even more than normal, just to make sure we don't have any... incidents. At least, not sudden ones that we can't keep a lid on.
... we really do have rather a lot of metaphorical eggs in the air, don't we.
Feels like something that was probably mentioned in the past at some point, but it's interesting to note.
... we should proooobably keep an eye on all our people, Sayaka included, in the next few days, even more than normal, just to make sure we don't have any... incidents. At least, not sudden ones that we can't keep a lid on.
... we really do have rather a lot of metaphorical eggs in the air, don't we.
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
I think I'd have preferred leading with the 'you have incoming roommates' and 'can you help us locate Witches' before mentioning Walpurgisnacht.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Have a vote idea for now:
[] Take a mental step back; you might not have phrased things the best way.
-[] Assure Akemi and Noriko they have no obligation to help. The situation meguca find themselves in is unfair, and we don't want to take advantadge of it.
-[] We can provide free Grief Cleansing, and more, while still having our own projects. If we could give every meguca the chance to go back to their normal lives, we'd be happy with that.
-[] What we're looking for are volunteers. People who simply want to help.
-[] That said, they have time to think it over, since there's no new refugees as of yet. You'd like to introduce them to your friends, either way.
-[] All that said:
--[] Offer a Clear Seed. Standard disclaimer.
--[] Tell them about Sayaka's power; ask if they would mind letting their powers be copied.
[] Yuma:
-[] Tell her she should join the tautology club.
-[] Explain: The tautology club is the tautology club.
[] Afterwards, make a Grief Enchantment Aid, to make Speckled Enchantments.
-[] Try making Speckled Enchantments of...:
--[] Sense enhancers (Grief, magic, physical).
--[] Lie detector.
--[] Toggleable privacy field.
--[] Pocket Brina.
--[] Magical energy shield.
--[] Ability enhancers (combat, multitasking).
--[] Grief cleansing.
-[] Test successful Speckled Enchantments for witchy feeling, duration, and effectiveness. Drop those with marginal value.
[Hmmm] Telepathy Sayaka, Madoka, Homura, Mami:
-[Hmmm] Ask how did craft and gardening club go.
-[Hmmm] Ask Sayaka to try sending a clone squad hunting tonight. Ask Homura to help her.
-[Hmmm] Ask Mami out for a hunt date.
Rather than making mincemeat of my brain thinking how to compress the first part into few words, have some highlighting of main points.
Also, I think it's high time we try decking ourselves in speckled enchantments. And mind, we might as well try everything we can think of. Many ideas we might try will likely fail, so just take the time to push the limits of our Grief assisted enchantments as far as we can, right now.
[] Take a mental step back; you might not have phrased things the best way.
-[] Assure Akemi and Noriko they have no obligation to help. The situation meguca find themselves in is unfair, and we don't want to take advantadge of it.
-[] We can provide free Grief Cleansing, and more, while still having our own projects. If we could give every meguca the chance to go back to their normal lives, we'd be happy with that.
-[] What we're looking for are volunteers. People who simply want to help.
-[] That said, they have time to think it over, since there's no new refugees as of yet. You'd like to introduce them to your friends, either way.
-[] All that said:
--[] Offer a Clear Seed. Standard disclaimer.
--[] Tell them about Sayaka's power; ask if they would mind letting their powers be copied.
[] Yuma:
-[] Tell her she should join the tautology club.
-[] Explain: The tautology club is the tautology club.
[] Afterwards, make a Grief Enchantment Aid, to make Speckled Enchantments.
-[] Try making Speckled Enchantments of...:
--[] Sense enhancers (Grief, magic, physical).
--[] Lie detector.
--[] Toggleable privacy field.
--[] Pocket Brina.
--[] Magical energy shield.
--[] Ability enhancers (combat, multitasking).
--[] Grief cleansing.
-[] Test successful Speckled Enchantments for witchy feeling, duration, and effectiveness. Drop those with marginal value.
[Hmmm] Telepathy Sayaka, Madoka, Homura, Mami:
-[Hmmm] Ask how did craft and gardening club go.
-[Hmmm] Ask Sayaka to try sending a clone squad hunting tonight. Ask Homura to help her.
-[Hmmm] Ask Mami out for a hunt date.
Rather than making mincemeat of my brain thinking how to compress the first part into few words, have some highlighting of main points.
Also, I think it's high time we try decking ourselves in speckled enchantments. And mind, we might as well try everything we can think of. Many ideas we might try will likely fail, so just take the time to push the limits of our Grief assisted enchantments as far as we can, right now.
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We should run down a list of the magical girls in the city that they may encounter, so they have reference for who their neighbors are.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
Rather, Big Pants gambling - they call it investment. But this would get us noticed early. Too bad, really. OTOH, can she Enchant this yet? We need a few 'specials' for Witchfest. The crowd loves critical shots!
::brofist::
Whoa! I'm pretty sure we all want to read this! Ante up?
Fair enough. My instinct is that it won't be different from the way we said this info in text, however. One of these things far outweighs the other. In memories, this will always be 'the time we first learned about Walpurgisnacht.' Even if we curbstomp her, learning of it was a shock. Re-read the reaction?
I want them to understand they have people protecting them now. Society works by trust, not fear.
Showing them the DVD might prove our power a little, but I think they may not respond well to that approach. If they can grow, and become better women instead of better fighters, that's fine. Support is the magic of military power, anyway. We need many tiers of support and organization, and civilians do that. Madoka is relying on Homura. Homura is now turbocharged by us. Sabrina gets her reach from Mami, and all our friends will get more powerful as the level of supporters goes up. ("It's turtles all the way down.") All they need is a good bond with us, by knowing the truth. Making our civilians ignorant is a losing plan.
Thus if we avoid 'cornering' them, or abusing their reliance on us to take away their independence, telling them about actual risks isn't bad.
Sabrina is currently the best deal in the world for a generic Magical Girl. In current terms, not counting our revolutionary endgame, trading with us is smart. Our team is strong, and our costs for membership are very low. Further, the brand of crazy we broadcast isn't particularly harmful.* Anywhere they go, heck, anywhere I go IRL, there is community. It isn't free, because as a group we are doing things. But there IS freedom here, the key ingredient. As I take it, we are not putting out a "fixed cost" model, ours seems to be a "rational sliding scale" model. To compensate our risk for making it possible for them to live us, we want them to pay something. That something is "agreement." If they don't agree, we will still cleanse them. Megane Ono, for instance. But we will need to focus on other people instead. If they do agree, that agreement needs an expression, which is somewhat free choice. Assistance is typical? And we break entropy with perpetual hugs, if that wasn't enough. I'm getting too elemental here, so I think my position is stated.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
Please allow me to Go Big, and Go Home.
Mami said something. And it made me think.
Sabrina is now remembering to Sabrina to find a pattern in our Sabrina memories. A cognitive leap has occurred?
Soul Gem, egg form
Soul Gem, ring form
Soul gem, jewel form
They swap from 3D use to 4D storage. Inside 'our barriers.'
4D space organized, or even opened and attached, by Incubators.
Probably folded inside the Soul Gem.
Unless every human has a pocket of 4D reality.
Girl's identity, history, name.
What happens to a girl when Grief takes her? And Why?
Soul Gem, egg form
Soul Gem, ring form
Soul gem, jewel form
They swap from 3D use to 4D storage. Inside 'our barriers.'
Probably folded inside the Soul Gem.
Girl's identity, history, name.
Witch name. Witch nature.
These are linked. They are not identical.
Magic is easiest to use when the egg form or the jewel form are in 3d space.
Harder to use, or less strong when the ring is outside.
Practically impossible to use in a normal human body.
When a girl falls, her egg-form Soul Gem is in the configuration of a Grief Seed.
The witch's most important part was always in the center of that.
The human body isn't used.
All existence is accomplished by using magic.
The ring-form is not seen anywhere.
Magical Girls have "instincts" or training information added to them. Quite a lot of them, actually.
Where do those reside?
Why are they not "memories" for the girl?
The abilities do exist as point-of-use instructions, but are not in mind before.
Where did the Witch core come from?
Evil from the girl in question? Evil from some other girl? Not objectified emotion at all, but an object itself?
A different entity entirely, natural or constructed?
An existence that operates the Magical generation of the girl's emotions for her?
An entity that takes on the role of the evil portions of the girl's soul for her?
The question I feel needs to be posed - is a Magical Girl a modified human?
A human made of other materials, and in a different hyper shape?
Or
Is a Magical Girl a human modified into a binary symbiont in higher dimensions?
A human shaped differently to share functions with something else?
A something else that learns and adapts to the system, becoming nearly identical to the human half?
The practical effect:
Does the girl's ring-form Soul Gem device continue to exist, lodged within a dimension accessible to the witch core?
Is the biographic memory and complementary soul parts not used by the witch still inside the ring-form Soul Gem?
Have fun with this in-thread. Any witty stuff you do in Discord can't reach here, and this is my serious de-witching hour.
Mami said something. And it made me think.
Sabrina is now remembering to Sabrina to find a pattern in our Sabrina memories. A cognitive leap has occurred?
Soul Gem, egg form
Soul Gem, ring form
Soul gem, jewel form
They swap from 3D use to 4D storage. Inside 'our barriers.'
4D space organized, or even opened and attached, by Incubators.
Probably folded inside the Soul Gem.
Unless every human has a pocket of 4D reality.
Girl's identity, history, name.
What happens to a girl when Grief takes her? And Why?
Soul Gem, egg form
Soul Gem, ring form
Soul gem, jewel form
They swap from 3D use to 4D storage. Inside 'our barriers.'
Probably folded inside the Soul Gem.
Girl's identity, history, name.
Witch name. Witch nature.
These are linked. They are not identical.
Magic is easiest to use when the egg form or the jewel form are in 3d space.
Harder to use, or less strong when the ring is outside.
Practically impossible to use in a normal human body.
When a girl falls, her egg-form Soul Gem is in the configuration of a Grief Seed.
The witch's most important part was always in the center of that.
The human body isn't used.
All existence is accomplished by using magic.
The ring-form is not seen anywhere.
Magical Girls have "instincts" or training information added to them. Quite a lot of them, actually.
Where do those reside?
Why are they not "memories" for the girl?
The abilities do exist as point-of-use instructions, but are not in mind before.
Where did the Witch core come from?
Evil from the girl in question? Evil from some other girl? Not objectified emotion at all, but an object itself?
A different entity entirely, natural or constructed?
An existence that operates the Magical generation of the girl's emotions for her?
An entity that takes on the role of the evil portions of the girl's soul for her?
The question I feel needs to be posed - is a Magical Girl a modified human?
A human made of other materials, and in a different hyper shape?
Or
Is a Magical Girl a human modified into a binary symbiont in higher dimensions?
A human shaped differently to share functions with something else?
A something else that learns and adapts to the system, becoming nearly identical to the human half?
The practical effect:
Does the girl's ring-form Soul Gem device continue to exist, lodged within a dimension accessible to the witch core?
Is the biographic memory and complementary soul parts not used by the witch still inside the ring-form Soul Gem?
Have fun with this in-thread. Any witty stuff you do in Discord can't reach here, and this is my serious de-witching hour.
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- Location
- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
We need to formalise our possitions in the kitchen at some point; just working out which sort of chefs each of us are would peobably help her accept our help, and our insistance that she should be the one to do the actual...management work (?) of cooking.
We should really look into some of the ways to make sweets; there are some really interesting ones that would probably be easy to make using the quasi-industral mechanisms we can make via Grief control.
...Why is this a problem again? Didn't we clean the rust off of a metal pole or something with Grief?
Should we get them some enchanted carving and art tools? It just seems like we could make some of those really easily.
Maybe we should give them some BFGs to point at Witches if they want to take advantage of the chance.
Actually, would they be interested in using enchanted tools to aid in construction efforts? They seem like they might be; we should let them in on any self sufficiency plans we end up with.
On a semi-related note; i've noticed some self deploying homes, which basically fold out like those beds that fold into the walls but it'the rooms that fold out of the walls instead, and i think that we might be able to make some of those that can fit into a MGs storage space; does anyone think that getting those to people could be useful?
- Location
- Germany
Defiitely apologize for bringing up witches. It's just that their powers are great for scouting (two places at once, looking at the right places). With their luck they might even find Riona Mag Aoidh, Kuroki Matsuko, and potential hostile invaders for us without starting a conflict.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I just realized something.
We omitted one of the most important parts.
We like hugs! We didn't tell them we like hugs.
[X] Take a mental step back. Offer tea?
-[X] You might've put undue pressure on Akemi and Noriko. You don't want to take advantadge of an unfair situation.
-[X] They have no obligation to help. We're looking for volunteers. Ask them to think it over
-[X] That said:
--[X] Offer a Clear Seed. Standard disclaimer.
--[X] Tell them about Sayaka's power; ask if they would mind letting their powers be copied.
[X] Try to lighten up the atmosphere before they go. Chat a while, invite them to hang out any time, promise to introduce them to everyone.
-[Q] Before they leave, they must pay the fee... in hugs!
[X] Afterwards
-[X] Call Nagisa. Ask how she's doing.
-[X] Make a Grief Enchantment Aid, to make Speckled Enchantments. Try making Speckled Enchantments:
--[X] Perception: Sense enhancers (Grief, magical, normal), lie detector.
--[X] Defense: Magical shield, protections against different vectors of attack (projectiles, light, sound).
--[X] Utility: Toggleable privacy field, ability enhancers (combat, multitasking, control, magic).
--[X] Grief cleansing/attracting.
-[X] Test successful Speckled Enchantments for witchy feeling, duration, and effectiveness. Drop those with marginal value.
We're being dishonest.
We omitted one of the most important parts.
We like hugs! We didn't tell them we like hugs.
[X] Take a mental step back. Offer tea?
-[X] You might've put undue pressure on Akemi and Noriko. You don't want to take advantadge of an unfair situation.
-[X] They have no obligation to help. We're looking for volunteers. Ask them to think it over
-[X] That said:
--[X] Offer a Clear Seed. Standard disclaimer.
--[X] Tell them about Sayaka's power; ask if they would mind letting their powers be copied.
[X] Try to lighten up the atmosphere before they go. Chat a while, invite them to hang out any time, promise to introduce them to everyone.
-[Q] Before they leave, they must pay the fee... in hugs!
[X] Afterwards
-[X] Call Nagisa. Ask how she's doing.
-[X] Make a Grief Enchantment Aid, to make Speckled Enchantments. Try making Speckled Enchantments:
--[X] Perception: Sense enhancers (Grief, magical, normal), lie detector.
--[X] Defense: Magical shield, protections against different vectors of attack (projectiles, light, sound).
--[X] Utility: Toggleable privacy field, ability enhancers (combat, multitasking, control, magic).
--[X] Grief cleansing/attracting.
-[X] Test successful Speckled Enchantments for witchy feeling, duration, and effectiveness. Drop those with marginal value.
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- Location
- Germany
Defense: Add a permanent enchanted soul gem casing?
The chat with Yuma was probably half an hour ago - I doubt she still remembers the "Big sis is big sis" context, so the joke would be lost on her.
The chat with Yuma was probably half an hour ago - I doubt she still remembers the "Big sis is big sis" context, so the joke would be lost on her.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
The other way to look at this would be "enchant to produce a decoy soul gem, not actually connected to Sabrina in any functional sense, but externally convincing any observer that it is an active soul gem." This should provide a safety margin during ambush. Serious threats will always be somewhat unknown. Further, it is passive and need never leave the control radius.
Considering
Calling her again just for that feels a bit weird. Maybe if we call Yuma to talk about anything (I don't think we know Yuma much more than "Kyouko's charge") and in the middle of it we can joke.
That reminds me, when was the last time we talked to Nagisa?
Homura may be in the way of making one with her enchatments. About Sabrina, I may be hard because I don't think it's a good idea making the protections using grief (fEeLiNg WiTcHy) so that leaves normal (pure magic) enchantments only.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Oh. Yeah. We haven't talked to our little sis in literally two forevers. We should!
EDIT: (Edited vote)
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- Location
- The infinite well of fanfics
[X] Onmur
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Now that I remember, there's a few people we might want to check on.
I think we called Hijiri this morning, I'm not sure what are our plans with her. Call her one more time today, wait until tomorrow morning...?
Related, check on the Pleiades?
Also, just remembered and checked, last time we asked, Masami and Hiroko found no traces of Kuroki. We did leave a note in there for Kuroki, but they didn't mention it. Is it possible Kuroki is alive and found the note? (Or the note was blown away by wind or they just didn't mention it or Firn forgot )
I think we called Hijiri this morning, I'm not sure what are our plans with her. Call her one more time today, wait until tomorrow morning...?
Related, check on the Pleiades?
Also, just remembered and checked, last time we asked, Masami and Hiroko found no traces of Kuroki. We did leave a note in there for Kuroki, but they didn't mention it. Is it possible Kuroki is alive and found the note? (Or the note was blown away by wind or they just didn't mention it or Firn forgot
)