I think it needs some ressurance to Hijiri we won't go telling to Niko about the contents of the chat if she doesn't want to (depending on how the conversation goes, of course)
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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It's from a comic associated with that game, not the game itself. It is in fact a doujin, if a fairly silly one.
@Onmur
[X] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[X] Kazumi, Niko:
--[X] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[X] Coordinate with Kazumi: GOOD MORNING ASUNARO AND MITAKIHARA!
-[X] Kirika:
--[X] Random compliment. She's cool.
-[X] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[X] Be polite.
--[X] Offer an update on Anri.
--[X] Ask about her Grief levels.
[X] Grief:
-[X] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[X] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[X] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[X] Try to shield your Grief in all dimensions without Witchy Grief.
[X] Mami: read Mami in on your 4-space experiments. If it were a fully physical 4-space you could do things like running an invisible ribbon between two points and just leaving it there -- glance pointedly at ribbon on your arm. If she has any thoughts...? Otherwise, something to mull over.
-[X] Walk Mami to school.
[X] Warn and visit O&K.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Kai, I'm pretty sure an invisible ribbon is a ribbon that's bent through 4 space. Unless you're saying something I'm not getting, Mami already does this.
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Manga*
It's official. Sort-of.
*Blinks*
Source? Wat? I am not aware of Mami using invisible ribbons. Wouldn't she have used that on Homura in Rebellion? Or am I a moron?
But he only thing the rotation would need to keep constant is the line connecting the chibi and the Soul Gem.... Oh, right, that would make it appear 2D from the chibi's perspective. Hm. That may or may not be a problem, depending on how Firn's magically intuintive 4D space works.
Either way, another potentially fun and confusing exercise would be to try to position our body in an equivalent of a non-planar quadrilateral (so that no 3D slice contains our entire body).
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She did. That's why Homu doesn't see them until Mami confronts her.
She's also used them in PMAS to allow Oriko to keep track of Anri while she was at her place.
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- Illinois
Right ho. Well still worth chatting about!
[X] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[X] Kazumi, Niko:
--[X] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[X] Coordinate with Kazumi: GOOD MORNING ASUNARO AND MITAKIHARA!
-[X] Kirika:
--[X] Random compliment. She's cool.
-[X] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[X] Be polite.
--[X] Offer an update on Anri.
--[X] Ask about her Grief levels.
[X] Grief:
-[X] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[X] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[X] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[X] Try to shield your Grief in all dimensions without Witchy Grief.
[X] Mami: read Mami in on your 4-space experiments.
-[X] Walk Mami to school.
[X] Warn and visit O&K.
[X] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[X] Kazumi, Niko:
--[X] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[X] Coordinate with Kazumi: GOOD MORNING ASUNARO AND MITAKIHARA!
-[X] Kirika:
--[X] Random compliment. She's cool.
-[X] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[X] Be polite.
--[X] Offer an update on Anri.
--[X] Ask about her Grief levels.
[X] Grief:
-[X] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[X] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[X] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[X] Try to shield your Grief in all dimensions without Witchy Grief.
[X] Mami: read Mami in on your 4-space experiments.
-[X] Walk Mami to school.
[X] Warn and visit O&K.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[X] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[X] Kazumi, Niko:
--[X] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[X] Coordinate with Kazumi: GOOD MORNING ASUNARO AND MITAKIHARA!
-[X] Kirika:
--[X] Random compliment. She's cool.
-[X] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[X] Be polite.
--[X] Offer an update on Anri.
--[X] Ask about her Grief levels.
[X] Grief:
-[X] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[X] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[X] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[X] Try to shield your Grief in all dimensions without Witchy Grief.
[X] Mami: read Mami in on your 4-space experiments.
-[X] Walk Mami to school.
[X] Warn and visit O&K.
-[X] Kazumi, Niko:
--[X] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[X] Coordinate with Kazumi: GOOD MORNING ASUNARO AND MITAKIHARA!
-[X] Kirika:
--[X] Random compliment. She's cool.
-[X] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[X] Be polite.
--[X] Offer an update on Anri.
--[X] Ask about her Grief levels.
[X] Grief:
-[X] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[X] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[X] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[X] Try to shield your Grief in all dimensions without Witchy Grief.
[X] Mami: read Mami in on your 4-space experiments.
-[X] Walk Mami to school.
[X] Warn and visit O&K.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
We can fold this in with "warn and visit O&K". I think that I'd prefer assigning these to people that need a pick-me-up. Koko, Niko, Rin, etc.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Well, we'll probably talk with Niko, so someone else...
Maybe we should actually make it random. Make a list not including the people we'll be talking with shortly nor the people we can't find something nice to say to, and roll for it?
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The plotting and characterization was approved (and in part done) by InuCurry, Sayaka's approach to the matter features in the game itself and in its supplementary materials (both serious tones and comical).
Moreover, it's highly consistent with Sayaka's behaviour throughout vanilla PMMM and Rebellion, playing on her character archetypes and her expressed sympathy towards witches - something that has already come up in the past in PMAS, I should note.
Moreover, Sayaka in PMAS has never hunted a witch without that witch being cleansed into a Clear Seed, and just as Kirika's powerset hinted that Oriko doesn't need her magic, I think Sayaka's power to create artificial soul gems is a strong hint towards involving her in the dewitching process in PMAS. It's highly congruent with her wish to be useful, to boot.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Personal thoughts: 4-space is probably a manifestation of the soul gem in a similar way to how a barrier is part of a witch. Especially as it shows our transformed gem, even when everything is in another form. My current question is whether the fact that it appears to be localized to just us is the way things are for everyone, or if other girls have that inner world connected to each other by karmic ties.
After all, part of our thing is that we have no connection the the world which is backed up by both Kyuubey and Sayaka's 404 error when trying to copy our power.
(Incidentally, the latter note currently has me curious as to whether Sayaka could copy our power if Mami used her ribbons to connect us.)
This should be arranged by time. If we're not contacting Asunaro that early, then we should put it further towards the end of the vote.
[X] Good Mourning Mitakihara!
- [X] Invite Kazumi for Radio Morning Asunaro too.
[X] After the conversation, if it went through: Kazumi, Niko:
-[X] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[X] Defer to later if they want to sleep in a bit.
[X] Nerd out over 4-space with Mami during breakfast and on the way to school.
[X] Grief:
-[X] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[X] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[X] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[X] Keep an eye on your 4-space with grief fog and sensors.
-[X] Stuff something mundane into 4-space. See if it remains stationary relative to our gem or if it has some natural motion.
[X] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[X] Give a randomly selected person a salient compliment
-[X] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[X] Be polite.
--[X] Offer an update on Anri.
--[X] Ask about her Grief levels.
[X] Warn and visit O&K.
Making an alteration to "4d armor" because we have no reason at the moment to believe that anything exists in 4-space other than us and our gem. Quite the opposite. It would be a better use of our effort (and, more relevantly, wordcount) to sense what's going on in there rather than assuming there's a threat that can strike us from that direction despite having no knowledge of what it is.
EDIT: structural edit.
EDIT2: additional science line
EDIT3: Corrected copy error oversight.
EDIT4: Altered early morning line.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Here would be a list of potential candidates for random compliments: 
Taking some obvious ones, like, say, Mami who should get compliments any time, and the girls we'll be talking with shortly or don't know that well yet...
EDIT: It's Yuma!
What say you, rest of Brina's mid. Do you agree with RNGsus?
EDIT: I forgot to take Madoka and Hitomi off the table since we'll be greeting them shortly, but they didn't come up, so yay?
Taking some obvious ones, like, say, Mami who should get compliments any time, and the girls we'll be talking with shortly or don't know that well yet...
And yes, I left some wildcards in there. Something to discuss if they come up.
EDIT: It's Yuma!
What say you, rest of Brina's mid. Do you agree with RNGsus?
EDIT: I forgot to take Madoka and Hitomi off the table since we'll be greeting them shortly, but they didn't come up, so yay?
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
First, if we're gonna do the Good Morning Asunaro And Mitakihara, we do need to talk with Kazumi first, so the talk about Hijiri would go before then, I feel.
I think the point is to do it together.
Second,
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Two points there, one I'm okay with moving that part of the talk there, but even if so the block should probably be split for clarity. The vote specifically warns us against going too early.First, if we're gonna do the Good Morning Asunaro And Mitakihara, we do need to talk with Kazumi first, so the talk about Hijiri would go before then, I feel.
I think the point is to do it together.
Second,
Two: Kazumi and Niko are both delinquents, so there's not a bad chance they'll want to sleep in. I'd rather accidentally wake just Kazumi too early to ask her than all of Asunaro.
I have edited that vote post. With all of that in mind.
As another point, Radio Mourning Mitakihara (especially special guest Asunaro edition) is kinda a public venue. If we have something else we want to say, we should.
(and clearly, the true answer is to leave the RNGsus in the vote itself.)
And yes, I feel I need to fit the grief-controller = mourning person joke in there somehow.
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Madou Sutegobana
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- Location
- Twin Realms Mandala
Since it's been coming up in the thread often, and with your endorsement that it actually has great graphics, I decided to download and play the game.
first searching in google play for the name in Japanese found a quiz game. I could tell it wasn't the correct game, but I downloaded it anyways, and failed the quiz.
Searching for a link online to take me to the playstore worked, but not only is the game region locked -- it is incompatable with my phone.
So I dragged out my old laptop that I first tested android on before commiting to a smartphone, to find that -- it's incompatable with my laptop too.
So if anyone here wants to play that game, you might need to change phones even when it gets an english release.
If Mami's soul gem was armored in the ana and kata directions, it would actually have some thickness in those directions, so it is more likely that each girl has a unique axis, or personal pocket dimension, or even a protobarrier that folds everything up into their soul gem.
However another detail about a 'fourth dimnsion' is that the three dimensions we are familiar with should still exist as a 'three slice' in the 'hypervolume', so you should still be able to detect anything that exists in the 'three slice', as long as you have a means of detection that doesn't rely on mechanics confined to three dimensions.
So if Sabrina can't detect Mami's soul gem from the 'fourth dimension', she must be 'hyperdepth perception' impaired.
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- Utah
So Sabrina needs ""glasses"" to see further in the fourth dimension?
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- USA, Midworld world line
Kyuubey does limit itself. It "doesn't understand" humans and emotions. Not to say that it can't generate the correct answer in a strategic sense, given suitable input. Thus, Madoka could surprise it with a wish both because it doesn't want to disturb the 'internal wish state' and because she is thinking in an emotional manner.
Conservation of effort might be in play, if Kyuubey is burning magic to make mind reading happen. Magic energy is the product, so it would invest that with utmost restraint.
I guess the minimum required mental ability Kyuubey possesses is a surface mind reading, where the foremost intent and recent memory is on display. In a non-contact setup, Kyuubey seemingly can't interrogate or download everything. Further, it has no displayed interest in editing for mind control. OTOH, his memwipe is likely both read AND write, at least for unprotected mortals. The consequences of getting a dirty memwipe without a supervising intelligence would accumulate around Sabrina's antics otherwise. Some citizens would have been serviced multiple times, just by chance. Kyuubey is superbly effective, as this isn't observed.
Did she find these in a cardboard box behind some random building? Thanks! John Carpenter FTW.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
No no no. She's seeing into the eighth dimension. Clearly, they must be the bubble-wrap goggles from Buckaroo Banzai.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Honestly, I kinda wanted Firn to roll. See Sabrina make a decision we had no idea what the result of would be until it happened.
And you might as well say what you have to say.
I disagree with the conclusion here.
You're assuming that the fourth dimension is a property of the physical universe, rather than a property of magic and/or soul gems. Given everything we've seen so far, I do not believe this is a safe assumption.
Beyond that, I'm not sure how we were looking around but it's not unreasonable to assume that we were rotating ourselves around the ana-kata axis.
I'm running of intuition here rather than actual knowledge of mathematics but even if our sense of sight was limited to a three dimensional slice, we should have been able to use that to see Mami's gem by rotating. If Mami's gem was present then, even if it was armored, it should have been illuminated by the glow of our own.
It's not unreasonable to conclude it's a general effect, given that ourselves, Mami, and Megane Ono all seem to have access to it. (Ono by implication: She stuffs a grief seed behind her back to store it and it disappears without the aid of a pocket and it also may be how she applied makeup. Likewise the fact that items in our seem to go there when we transform.)
Given that of those three, Ono had no visible way to keep things with her, it may be worth testing whether space there exists relative to our gem. In addition this would also imply a bit about whether the fourth dimension is a product of the soul, or a fundamental property of the universe.
So here's the test:
- [] Stuff something mundane into 4-space. See if it remains stationary relative to our gem or if it has some natural motion.
*edits into vote*
[] Good Mourning Mitakihara!
- [] Invite Kazumi for Radio Morning Asunaro too.
[] After the conversation, if it went through: Kazumi, Niko:
-[] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[] Defer to later if they want to sleep in a bit.
[] Walk Mami to school.
[] Grief:
-[] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[] Keep an eye on your 4-space with grief fog and sensors.
-[] Stuff something mundane into 4-space. See if it remains stationary relative to our gem or if it has some natural motion.
[] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[] Give a randomly selected person a salient compliment:
-[] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[] Be polite.
--[] Offer an update on Anri.
--[] Ask about her Grief levels.
[] Warn and visit O&K.
- [] Invite Kazumi for Radio Morning Asunaro too.
[] After the conversation, if it went through: Kazumi, Niko:
-[] Ask about Hijiri, share that you want to try talking with her. Defer to them.
--[] Defer to later if they want to sleep in a bit.
[] Walk Mami to school.
[] Grief:
-[] Is the Grief you enchanted yesterday still primed?
--[] If not, enchant enough Grief for a Privacy Sphere.
--[] Test how long the enchantment lasts.
-[] Keep an eye on your 4-space with grief fog and sensors.
-[] Stuff something mundane into 4-space. See if it remains stationary relative to our gem or if it has some natural motion.
[] Telepathy (not too early!)
-[] Give a randomly selected person a salient compliment:
-[] Hijiri (unless Kazumi or Niko disagree)
--[] Be polite.
--[] Offer an update on Anri.
--[] Ask about her Grief levels.
[] Warn and visit O&K.