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mCooperative said:
If they're under house arrest, does that mean Oriko's house just had a random pile of chains lying around somewhere for some reason?
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Oriko's house is on a palatial estate. The estate probably has fences with gates. Gates are frequently secured with a chain and padlock.

EDIT: If you work in an office building, then there's probably a chain padlocked around one or more sprinkler valves on every floor, so you're in close proximity to dozens of lengths of chains on a daily basis.
 
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The Narrator said:
Oriko's house is on a palatial estate. The estate probably has fences with gates. Gates are frequently secured with a chain and padlock.

EDIT: If you work in an office building, then there's probably a chain padlocked around one or more sprinkler valves on every floor, so you're in close proximity to dozens of lengths of chains on a daily basis.
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And there's the totally reasonable explanation. Although I've mostly seen fency-fancy-fences with built-in locks and shit. No experience with office building sprinkler valves, though, only university buildings that don't have the setup you've described. Though, not sure the Mikuni mansion would be set up that way anyway?

... **remembers contents of sketchy sub-basement of old dorm** Although, yeah, if a space is big enough to have maintenance spaces, random lengths of chain used to secure things is probably legit.

Well, that's one mystery solved. Now, on to the next several dozen!
 
mCooperative said:
Not necessarily how it interacts with our Barrier(s), since if our 4d shenanigans are bound to us as an individual, we wouldn't necessarily have an overlap issue; while it would be interesting to observe, I wouldn't actually be surprised if we could see the outside of our Barrier(s) from searching through our sheaf of 4-space slices. And of course if our 4d shenanigans aren't bound to us as an individual, we would still see the weirdness I'm meaning. However, just testing on ourself, even setting aside the fact that we're wary of making our Barrier, may not provide a full spectrum of results.

But if we're trying to do 4d bullshit in another Barrier or extra-dimensional space, such as (although it's a bad idea) Homura's shield storage or Mami's teacup storage, or more reasonably, either one of Tsuruya Yuki's claimed buildings ("It's a trick of folding space within a zone I claim, but it's harder to use. It's the basis for the microwave room as well - I have another room full of stored sunlight.") or a normal Witch Barrier, would 4-space warp in unexpected ways because different jurisdictions of magic have priority? Or just because we're folding slices of 4-space into eachother complexly? Or do they not overlap and interact strangely at all, unless we explicitly try and make them do so? All these things would have different implications that I'd be very interested to explore.


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If they're under house arrest, does that mean Oriko's house just had a random pile of chains lying around somewhere for some reason? What, did they cannibalize a chandelier? Some bicycle securing devices? Car tire chains or tow chains? Some renovation equipment? Secret politician murder dungeon basement? They couldn't have just one-hour-shipping'd stuff to their house from the internet or something, they'd have gotten something a little more reasonably weaponizable in that case, surely.

It was probably something totally reasonable, but I can't actually think of anything reasonable, and am now terribly confused...
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ummm....
We want more Feathers interaction now? When I start to put the intent and results of our science next to one another, what with us making half-hearted familiar!chibis, Grief as the most fascinating substrate, backstage wanderings inside our soul gem, etc....

Who is asking us to disturb Feathers? I'm thinking we don't want to wake her more?

Our use of "average" mode magic is way behind the curve, let us put time into that, instead?

Bonus Idea!

Level up our Control enchantment vs. magical constructs. Get a quiet Clear Seed. Laboriously enchant the housing, not the core.

Force the shape into a Soul Gem.
 
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Soooooooooooooooooooo...

We kinda really need to tell O&K about their new housing arrangements... well, ask them. Also get that diary to Kirika so she can decide what to do with it.

Also, semi-random,

The lights were on at a single room of the Mikuni mansion.

It was late, late at night. Or perhaps early, too early for the sun to have yet risen.

Hundreds of shadowy silouhuetes zoomed accross the dark sky.

Unseen.

Almost.

"Oriko..." Kirika called dubiously yet insistently as she cuddled her Ojou under the blankets of their bed.

Only their heads popped out of cover, face down, but staring up, or rather the no-longer Seer glaring out the window.

"Shhhh..." she sunk further into her matress, her light green eyes shining with determination. "They're listening."

"They're birds," said Kirika wisely.

"Terrible, annoying, disease-ridden, feathered things..."

"I'll admit they're annoying," Kirika shifted, covers shifting as she came to lie on top Oriko's back, "but they're not hurting us?" she asked as she solidified her grip around her Ojou's waist and shoulders.

"... Scavengers, obnoxious pests, it wasn't enough to cloud my visions..."

Kirika sighed at the continued muttering. Then a sudden, fleeting disentanglement, her hands flew to cover the Oriko's eyes.

"Guess who!"

A long silence, interrupted only by the intermittent, far off cawing of birds followed Kirika's exclamation.

"You are blocking my view, dear," complained Oriko.

Kirika shook her head, chin brushing against the back of Oriko's head. "You have to guess!"

The blinded Seer sighed. "As long as you continue this, I won't be able to keep vigil on the current threat."

"So you have to guess right on the first time," explained Kirika, undaunted.

"... Fine," Oriko's shoulders slumped. "Is it the gorgeous, beautiful, most interesting Magical Girl in the world?"

"Noooo..." smiled Kirika. "Two more tries!"

"How concerning. Let me try again: Is it the cutest romance-addled edgelord this side of paradise?"

Kirika's mouth opened and closed and she reddened as she blinked confusedly.

"I guess that one needed more work," mused Oriko.

"What were you going for- I mean, no!" the black haired girl cuddled her Ojou closer. "Last try."

"But dear," protests Oriko, "I'm afraid I cannot answer: But previous answers being wrong means you are not the correct answer, and then, who is covering my eyes?"

"Tut, tut, silly Oriko," grinned Kirika, "there's no way any of those descriptions could apply to me, not when the most beautiful girl is right..." she kissed Oriko's cheek, "... here."

A squeal almost escaped Oriko's lips, but the girl restrained herself.

"Ohoho, but how about the cutest-"

"I'm not cute," deadpanned Kirika.

"Yes, you are," affirmed Oriko as a matter of course.

"Nu-hu."

"Yes."

"I'm not."

"You are."

"Nope."

"Y-"

THUNK!

Both girls jumped, Kirika's hands slammed on the bed and both girls looks up-!

Blood red murderous accusing glaring orbs a deadly sharp beak plummage black as night.

The lights went out-

Darkness-

"EEEEEEEK!"

Twin shrieks followed by jumps and tumbles and thump thump thump lighting fast footsteps-

The lights cliked on in the living room.

Oriko stood completely still as a statue, eyes wide open and Kirika held in a tight embrace. Said berserker trembled as she in turn held onto her Ojou for dear life, both arms and legs wrapped around her.

Outside their bedroom, a single stupefied, wounded crow slowly slid down the window it had crashed onto.

Back in the living room, both girls slowly, very slowly disentangled, Kirika resting her weight on her own two feet... before leaning onto Oriko, holding her tightly.

"This..." the Not-Seer blinked, "this must be the work of an enemy spell."


Not far from there, in that same city, in a large, opulent apartment slept a family of three.

The youngest of them, a girl with blue hair and pajamas grinned... rather viciously in her sleep. Just for a moment.

A minute later, her features relaxed, her breath evened out.

Sayaka slept peacefully, and content.



So I'm going with this for now.


*Vote edited in a later post*
 
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Skelm said:
Huh. The hard vacuum is cold? Normally the problem is dispersing heat, not retaining it.
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Yes, and then again, no.

So, yes, in a hard vacuum, dissipating heat is a problem, because you have only radiative dissipation working for you. However, for a human body instantly transported into space, you have an initial boil-off of volatiles and water and such that will chill you.

However however, your raising this made me realise two things - I did not make this particularly clear, and even if I had, I'd be wrong, because the chibi-body isn't quite a human body. There's nothing that'd boil off.

So I'm gonna edit that - in general, I'm going to do a quick edit pass, anyway.

And to everyone, votes and discussion, if you please?
 
mCooperative said:
Huh. That went reasonably well, I think. A good end to a long day.



But actually though- if we can check the survivability of between, like, by the numbers, temperature and pressure and maybe a good sensory array to make sure nothing weird is radiating into other adjacent 3d slices, and we do a bit more testing to make sure us entering another 3d slice isn't going to do weird things with how the Soul Gem's control radius math routes when we're in the same 3d slice as it is (as in, both the ring form and the gem form in the same slice as eachother; we should definitely do that 'keep eyes on our gem next time we transform' thing), and maybe see if we could bring other meguca (or non-meguca with proper equipment, like space-suit type equipment?)- we could totally set up some kind of dragon/vehicle construct in one of our 4-space slices that we could use for fast-travel in a straight line to bypass navigating through obstacles (and, given that we don't see Mami's Soul Gem or Homura's equipment hoard, probably through even most meguca security, too, no less the mundane kind). Er, if we get a good handle on how space is mapped, anyway- we managed to 'teleport' that bit of grief when we worked out the 4-space thing, so it should work...

... then we can truly become the dragon-riding warhammer-weilding grief-controlling hug-seeking overlord we were always meant to be!

Additionally: re: 4-space: Secret base! Secret base! Really secure secret base!

Also: If we can see our Soul Gem extruding into another 3d slice, I'm curious to see how it's centered. If it's centered in our main 3d inhabitance slice, then we should see something when we go in the opposite direction of the slice we just visited; I'm interested to know what it would be. If it's not centered on our main 3d inhabitance slice, I'd be interested to know where it is centered, and how that impacts our range. What are the equations governing Soul Gem Bluetooth?
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Sabrina 4D Space Program.
We gonna need more struts and boosters.

Edit: We shall leash the Kraken.
 
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Maybe we're restricted to positioning and orienting ourselves in 3D slices that contain our Soul Gem? That is also consistent with the description of movement through the 4th dimension as a rotation, rather than a translation, as simply moving ana or kata from our home slice would bring us out of line with our Soul Gem.
It should be easy to check, anyway. And it's the only alternative to Soul Gems being fully 4D, which would be awfully weird considering nothing else is.
 
LendvaV said:
Re: 4D Soul Gem
Maybe we're restricted to positioning and orienting ourselves in 3D slices that contain our Soul Gem? That is also consistent with the description of movement through the 4th dimension as a rotation, rather than a translation, as simply moving ana or kata from our home slice would bring us out of line with our Soul Gem.
It should be easy to check, anyway. And it's the only alternative to Soul Gems being fully 4D, which would be awfully weird considering nothing else is.
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Well they are alien hyper-tech. Anyway, I don't think that works because rotation in 4d only lets you keep a plane constant, not a volume, in much the same way that 3d rotation has a constant axis and 2d rotation a constant point. Any rotation out of our normal 3d slice can only keep is in line with a planar cross-section of our soul gem.

Also, we say the transformed version, not the ring form.
 
Raiseth said:
Which is really weird. How does he know which memories to wipe if he can't read them?
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Two alternatives that I can think of.

1: Kyubey has constant surveillance on everything. And thus, even if he cannot read minds, he still knows exactly when someone sees magic and can thus remove the memories.
2: His mindwipe is automated, and just automatically deleted all memories of magic from whoever it's pointed at.

Personally, I think 2 is the most likely explanation.
 
AuraTwilight said:
He doesn't have to. Just inject a subliminal that makes the person's own mind erase everything pertaining to a concept, like magic. It works fine for the fucking Men in Black.
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That should make a mess out of the person's head. And by "mess" I mean "irreparable psychological damage". Imagine you spontaneously forgot the whole "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" series after three rewatches.

And I don't pay too much stock to Men in Black, sorry.

Hmm. Maybe something more specific? Memories connected with images of Megucas and Witches, for example.
 
Or he just releases a chemical that makes people unable to turn short term memories into long term memories.

Or susceptible to suggestion.
 
Redshirt Army said:
My assumption has always been that QB can interpret memories from brains just fine, but that he can't read or modify the memories of people with soul gems at all, due to magic interference.
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That might be part of it, but he also seemingly isn't able to read Madoka's mind when she's just a potential, otherwise he wouldn't have been completely blindsided by her wish.


Jonen C said:
Or he just releases a chemical that makes people unable to turn short term memories into long term memories.
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It's not just that people forget, however. The deleted memories get replaced with new, fabricated information.
 
We know for a fact that he's good enough at cold reading to pull subtle vocal inflections out of people and send them as "telepathy". We know for a fact that he's mapped our sensorium well enough to dump perfect audio into it. He retains these abilities when people are using powers that leave them disembodied or in forms without brains or sense organs. Until we know exactly how he does these things and can put limits on his methods, I am absolutely not willing to make the assumption that our thoughts are private.
 
I repeat: if he were able to truly read the mind of a magical girl, then he wouldn't have needed to figure out what Homura's deal was, because he could have read it straight from her thoughts the first time he laid eyes on her.
 
The Narrator said:
I repeat: if he were able to truly read the mind of a magical girl, then he wouldn't have needed to figure out what Homura's deal was, because he could have read it straight from her thoughts the first time he laid eyes on her.
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Yep. He can't read megucas or the plot doesn't work, and he at minimum can't read potentials like Madoka well enough to predict what her wish would be ahead of time.

However, that doesn't actually preclude him from being able to read the memories of non-gucas in a manner divorced from emotional context, or something similar.
 
Vebyast said:
We know for a fact that he's good enough at cold reading to pull subtle vocal inflections out of people and send them as "telepathy". We know for a fact that he's mapped our sensorium well enough to dump perfect audio into it. He retains these abilities when people are using powers that leave them disembodied or in forms without brains or sense organs. Until we know exactly how he does these things and can put limits on his methods, I am absolutely not willing to make the assumption that our thoughts are private.
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If our thoughts are not private, then we can reasonably assume he already knows all our plans for dewitching, grand scale cleansing, telepathy networks, and so on, and for some reason is taking no action.

I'll point out that there is an alternative here: We've seen that Kyuubey has a subtle and low-key magic associated with him and that, well, he invented what magical girls use. It may be worth considering whether some of his capabilities, like telepathy, are actually magic, rather than clarketech.
 
Vebyast said:
We know for a fact that he's good enough at cold reading to pull subtle vocal inflections out of people and send them as "telepathy".
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Is this canon? Because it seems to me that, what with humans being magic, there could just be an actual difference between "thoughts thought towards Kyuubey" and "just normal thoughts".
 
The Narrator said:
That might be part of it, but he also seemingly isn't able to read Madoka's mind when she's just a potential, otherwise he wouldn't have been completely blindsided by her wish.
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Redshirt Army said:
Yep. He can't read megucas or the plot doesn't work, and he at minimum can't read potentials like Madoka well enough to predict what her wish would be ahead of time.

However, that doesn't actually preclude him from being able to read the memories of non-gucas in a manner divorced from emotional context, or something similar.
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I think he doesn't wouldn't try to manipulate wishes like that because manipulating wishes like that would lower potential. Likewise Kyuubey doesn't take over the world and turn it into a traumatised little girl farm because that would take away the potential of humanity. The more involved Kyuubey gets the less power he has to work with which is why he is so hands off.
 
MrCogmor said:
I think he doesn't wouldn't try to manipulate wishes like that because manipulating wishes like that would lower potential. Likewise Kyuubey doesn't take over the world and turn it into a traumatised little girl farm because that would take away the potential of humanity. The more involved Kyuubey gets the less power he has to work with which is why he is so hands off.
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In normal cases, that might apply. But Madoka's wish at the end of the series is quite specifically going to fuck over the Incubators' entire operation and Kyubey is explicitly surprised by it.
 
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