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Dragon Ball: After the End

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SITB said:
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).

The real reason to seal Dazarel inside Kakra's body is for power, and it's a real shitty reason to reduce another person for your own personal powerup in the guise of 'reforming' him. It is a pretty naked ambition power grabbing in the coat of mercy; and it's kinda of a shit way to push Kakara's characterization while being gauche as hell. Relying on sealed monster to empower you? When dragon ball had repeatedly shown that training is what gives people the edge? Particularly when Kakara herself won because she relied on a technique based on understanding rather than raw power.

Also if sealing him inside Kakara's head will give power with no hidden backsides, when is Kakara is going to actually train/use that power? There is already complaints about all the actions that Kakara need to do without adding another 2 (one to train that power and one to actually talk to Dazarel).
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Well it also will give him someone to talk to at all times, but yeeah.
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
My view point
Chibiseal: he sees how the saiyans that hate him treat him now that he has less power and reconfirms his decision that might makes right
Headseal: he sees how kakara acts and learns how powerful people acting for the good of others is a better life path.
 
FuzziPeach said:
My view point
Chibiseal: he sees how the saiyans that hate him treat him now that he has less power and reconfirms his decision that might makes right
Headseal: he sees how kakara acts and learns how powerful people acting for the good of others is a better life path.
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... Literally why do you presuppose all Saiyans will hate him, knowing he failed to do particularly serious damage?
 
FuzziPeach said:
My view point
Chibiseal: he sees how the saiyans that hate him treat him now that he has less power and reconfirms his decision that might makes right
Headseal: he sees how kakara acts and learns how powerful people acting for the good of others is a better life path.
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Yeah, being stuck as someone's power-source being completely helpless and seeing how she goes in her everyday life (possibly bereft of most sensations) is totally going to reform him. That's a cool and logical arguement.

(There is also tbe hideen assumption that Kakara won't interact with him if he is chibi-fied? Sealing him in Kakara's head certainly won't engender feelings of goodwill if Kakara won't interact with him either)
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

Chiming in with my vote! :D
 
SITB said:
Yeah, being stuck as someone's power-source being completely helpless and seeing how she goes in her everyday life (possibly bereft of most sensations) is totally going to reform him. That's a cool and logical arguement.

(There is also tbe hideen assumption that Kakara won't interact with him if he is chibi-fied? Sealing him in Kakara's head certainly won't engender feelings of goodwill if Kakara won't interact with him either)
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Poptart mentioned that it's less vital to do so:
Cariyaga said:
So, definitely gonna need to take an action to spend time with Dazarel next year... mellow him out through contact through Kakara. (Though, that didn't work on Dandeer...)
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PoptartProdigy said:
There's a significant extent to which you don't need to do this with somebody living in your own head, but you can.
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The implication being that we're basically always spending time together, and so we're basically doing such a thing all the time.

However, I know at least some of us intend to still do so.
Terrabrand said:
... Literally why do you presuppose all Saiyans will hate him, knowing he failed to do particularly serious damage?
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Because the Exiles are a prejudiced lot, with there being a full blown assassination plot to kill the Scouts, even those who surrendered.
 
Gore17 said:
Because the Exiles are a prejudiced lot, with there being a full blown assassination plot to kill the Scouts, even those who surrendered.
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We have significant political capital, he has killed no Saiyans successfully to our knowledge, and only hurt a few. And unlike the scouts he's not associated with any existing groups. Also, I imagine him being 'cute' will count for something.

Also, we'll probably keep him in our vicinity, and given the assassination plot I have significant doubts anyone will be willing to be baldly hostile to him in our presence if we make it clear that's a nono.
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).

Not worried about safety here, my fears there have been totally allayed. Social/political conerns instead from Exiles asking Why the headseal.

Lailoken said:
Please post pictures of your faces when the next update is Yammar shouting, "Look over there!", and hurling your new pet into the sun.
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Yammar wouldn't do that!

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It would be undignified.
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).

[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
Adhoc vote count started by Lupercal on Mar 3, 2018 at 2:17 AM, finished with 24825 posts and 113 votes.
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Gore17 said:
Poptart mentioned that it's less vital to do so:


The implication being that we're basically always spending time together, and so we're basically doing such a thing all the time.

However, I know at least some of us intend to still do so.
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Good, but it still doesn't change the fact that a lot of people vote for unlimited more power, which means that during the year vote interacting with Dazarel can fall to the wayside reasoning that him being stuck in Kakara's head is good enough interaction.

I also hold that lacking a physical body is a harsher punishment than being chibi-fied; and when the main reasoning to seal him inside Kakara's head is for power I begin to be skeptical of the actual drive to reform him.

EDIT: It also has bad aesthetics. Kakara is a Sayain which are degenerated as monkeys, they have tails and their big bad powerup is to become a giant monkey. Where the hell does dragons/lizard theme fit in? Even if she got his psychic power for some reason it won't fit in because it's internal thematics are 'a stolen power, given unwillingly')
 
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SITB said:
I also hold that lacking a physical body is a harsher punishment than being chibi-fied; and when the main reasoning to seal him inside Kakara's head is for power I begin to be skeptical of the actual drive to reform him.
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I mean, it's definitely harsher going by the language.

Chibi is only 'somewhat' harsh while sealed in us is 'medium harshness'.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, mayor may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
ElleonXan said:
So just out of curiosity, what the devil is the point of trying to reform Daz if we are for all intents and purposes trapping him in for all of eternity, first in our head, then in in our corpse/whatever the sorcerers manage to move him to?

I mean, I keep hearing "reform Daz" being thrown about for the pro-jinchuriki side as if
A) we can't reform him outside our head.
B) there is a point to reforming him, considering he's going to be stuck in our head for the rest of our life.
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I strongly agree. I think that our odds of reforming him are significantly greater if we have him in Chibi form (although I'm not sure how much it matters if he reforms if we can't break the 200 billion power seal on him)

[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

But the main thing is that I kind of want to use our ambition trait and pick something that isn't 100% super nice pacifism forever.
 
I just really don't want a head dragon because Kakara will become thematically incoherent.

Edit: I also really don't like the ambitious trait.
 
lemon10 said:
I strongly agree. I think that our odds of reforming him are significantly greater if we have him in Chibi form (although I'm not sure how much it matters if he reforms if we can't break the 200 billion power seal on him)

[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

But the main thing is that I kind of want to use our ambition trait and pick something that isn't 100% super nice pacifism forever.
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...wow, okay, congratulations on persuading me to stop lurking for the sole and specific purpose of voting against you.

[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
54 to 53.75

Not even a one vote difference.
Adhoc vote count started by Blonddude42 on Mar 2, 2018 at 4:28 AM, finished with 414 posts and 94 votes.
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Terrabrand said:
I mean, it's definitely harsher going by the language.

Chibi is only 'somewhat' harsh while sealed in us is 'medium harshness'.
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And the reason to make his imprisonment more harsh is for extra power and I am extremely leery of choosing a naked power grab option despite its cruelty.

Like, there are other ways to be ambitious than simply endlessly chase power y'know? The Hopeful trait for one, where Kakara's main ambition is to make the world better.
 
Also, sealing him in our head is inherently more cruel that the chibi option, because eventually Kakara is going to die and he's going to end up shoved into a rock or something.

Edit: I would really like to use The Examined Life on ambitious if Kakaras schedule wasn't already so full.
 
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Wiadi said:
...wow, okay, congratulations on persuading me to stop lurking for the sole and specific purpose of voting against you.

[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
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I absolutely do not blame you for that. I'm tempted to switch my vote myself. I still think inside Kakara is the better option overall, but damn.
 
Thriceboiled said:
I just really don't want a head dragon because Kakara will become thematically incoherent.

Edit: I also really don't like the ambitious trait.
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There's nothing thematically incoherant about it.

Erasing memories is pretty much death of personality. She hates Dandeer because she sees her as someone willing to murder her husband and son so she can replace them with controllable puppets.

Sealing the dragon in ourselves isn't personality death. It's imprisoning him and acting as his warden and case worker until we can reform him, without letting him walk around.

He's a mass murderer and a planet destroyer. Letting him just prance around outside because he's 'cute' isn't a punishment, even if you take away his power.
 
Thriceboiled said:
Also, sealing him in our head is inherently more cruel that the chibi option, because eventually Kakara is going to die and he's going to end up shoved into a rock or something.

Edit: I would really like to use The Examined Life on ambitious if Kakaras schedule wasn't already so full.
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The goal is to rehabilitate him, and then set him free. At least for me and Monado.

Also, I would advise against that. IIRC, not all trait evolutions are positive.
 
Darkandus said:
There's nothing thematically incoherant about it.

Erasing memories is pretty much death of personality. She hates Dandeer because she sees her as someone willing to murder her husband and son so she can replace them with controllable puppets.

Sealing the dragon in ourselves isn't personality death. It's imprisoning him and acting as his warden and case worker until we can reform him, without letting him walk around.

He's a mass murderer and a planet destroyer. Letting him just prance around outside because he's 'cute' isn't a punishment, even if you take away his power.
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No, I mean that Kakara would then become a Saiyan-Princess-Martial Artist-Seer-Dragonhost, her character concept is a mess!:V

Gore17 said:
The goal is to rehabilitate him, and then set him free. At least for me and Monado.
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Yea, but in one option the only person who gets to judge that is Kakara and it still leaves him in a rock if Kakara suddenly dies of a brain aneurysm or somthing
 
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