Paths of Civilization
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[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Outside] Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[X] [Outside] Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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[X] [Outside] Increase aid to groups opposed to the Syffrynites (2x)
[X] [Outside] Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
Like the update says, we've stabilized our situation enough that we can afford to offer more aid to other powers in resisting Syffrynite colonization & exploitation. Let's get on that, yeah? Not 100% sure what to do with the reforms, especially as it's unclear whether we're reforming ourselves, the Gylruv, or both.
[X] [Outside] Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
Like the update says, we've stabilized our situation enough that we can afford to offer more aid to other powers in resisting Syffrynite colonization & exploitation. Let's get on that, yeah? Not 100% sure what to do with the reforms, especially as it's unclear whether we're reforming ourselves, the Gylruv, or both.
- Location
- Ore Mountains
[X] [Gylruv] Education reform (0.8x)
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
I want profitable peace, but I'm not sure on which reforms to take.
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
I want profitable peace, but I'm not sure on which reforms to take.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Can't be anymore profitable than to start mutual integration.
We will be the head of the Great Gylruv-Ymaryn Empire. Education/Land/Social reform can be started once we assumed control, can't let pesky educated local have second thoughts; something warranted during reform pains.
- Location
- Austria
Can't be anymore profitable than to start mutual integration.
Counterpoint: depends on what is meant by Education reform. If it means "more Ymaryn universities and Ymaryn language is a language of education all over Gylruv now and not only in Ymar"....then, well, we have to take it.
If it means teaching Gylruv Gylruv-spoken education and stuff, then I'd rather not ofc; although Administrative, Financial and Land reforms are both necessary and orthogonal to our cultural vector of attack.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Cross-Counter~ Integration and Administration are easier if Gylruv's current and next immediate batch of officials/nobles only have Ymaryn educated experts to talk to instead of local version of Ymaryn education. I much rather have our Ymaryn education stay unmixed until Ymaryn experts are the majority within government and court. Also i'm not comfortable with betting on the chance of next integration being next turn. Someone mentioned cotton slave induced civil war and possibility of War in Europe, so i want to bite into Gylruv before anyone mess it up; talking about you Karl Marx.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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Reminder that the option is currently termed "mutual integration." We'll receive contamination from Gylruv just as they will from us. It's a mixing process, not a one-sided takeover.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
I know, but currently majority of the educated class are educated in our core and view Ymaryn as culturally desirable. Which would change if we push them to reform and start intergation next or following turn. Distance, local cultural, and likely larger base population would birth similar but different world view.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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I mean...I don't see how integrating them now changes how that's gonna shake out, is my point. As AN has made very clear, we're going to need at least administrative reform pretty much as soon as they're integrated if not before; why would that somehow have less divergent results if we engage in mutual integration right now than if we do the reforms first?
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
- Location
- USoA
[X] [Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
[X] [Outside] Subtly push the Black Sheep into splitting along an East-West fracture point so you candominate the Western break (0.9x)
[X] [Outside] Subtly push the Black Sheep into splitting along an East-West fracture point so you candominate the Western break (0.9x)
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
I see it as the Russians are completely dependent on our expertise at the moment and the nature of integration means both sides needs to work out the difference, and our post reform system will be more agreeable when compared to their pre-reform system. But integration post reform would make our system seem less advanced or even undesirable as they had underwent a reform already as well as due to time skip.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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The phrasing of the vote is "select an area to increase ties with Gylruv." Arguing that selection of areas other than integration will somehow weaken those ties instead (I think that's what you're trying to argue here?) is nonsensical. If I've misunderstood you, please clarify, I don't entirely follow your phrasing and am having to guess somewhat.
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Personally I'd wait with any administrative reforms until we integrate with the Gyrluv so that we can place ourselves firmly in the center of their administration.
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Personally I'd wait with any administrative reforms until we integrate with the Gyrluv so that we can place ourselves firmly in the center of their administration.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Yep talking past each other again.
It's like this in my mind:
- Unknown amount of time between this and next turn
- Aging the reforms we took as the situation evolves thanks to time.
- Inability to assess and predict if Peter the great or equivalent hero spawns and make Russians more self sufficient culturally. Our history is rich and soaked with greatness, theirs is currently short and shallow.
- Russian reforms would likely include local infrastructure and education facility as our core university is too distant and too expensive for it to become non-minority part of their government.
- None-Ymaryn influence picks up as the east-west and north-south trade routes are stabilized, creating urgency as Ymaryn ideas become one of many thought groups.
- Reforms tend to undergo pain and turmoil as existing setups are disrupted, creating backlash against next set of reform or integration. Best to get the biggest item first before anyone notices the pattern.
- Location
- Philippines
[X] [Gylruv] Education reform (0.8x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[X] [Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
[X] [Gylruv] Mutual integration (1x)
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[X] [Gylruv] Mutual integration (1x)
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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Yep talking past each other again.
It's like this in my mind:
- Unknown amount of time between this and next turn
- Aging the reforms we took as the situation evolves thanks to time.
- Inability to assess and predict if Peter the great or equivalent hero spawns and make Russians more self sufficient culturally. Our history is rich and soaked with greatness, theirs is currently short and shallow.
- Russian reforms would likely include local infrastructure and education facility as our core university is too distant and too expensive for it to become non-minority part of their government.
- None-Ymaryn influence picks up as the east-west and north-south trade routes are stabilized, creating urgency as Ymaryn ideas become one of many thought groups.
- Reforms tend to undergo pain and turmoil as existing setups are disrupted, creating backlash against next set of reform or integration. Best to get the biggest item first before anyone notices the pattern.
Okay, other than your concerns about hero unit unpredictability - which is, I'll grant, a potentially salient variable - I'm not entirely clear on why you expect their culture to experience a net divergence from ours over the next timeskip. Yes, other influences will have time to creep in, but so will ours - and we're better-positioned than most to make that influence stick.
As for backlash & people noticing what we're up to, what's to notice? We're doing this over the course of generations.
- Location
- Australia
[X] [Gylruv] Education reform (0.8x)
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
Ok looking at the tally these are the two most popular votes in each category. But with the voting weight education is losing to Administrative even though it six up. I feel like people should start to focus and pick between these because they all good options but which one wins matters.
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
Ok looking at the tally these are the two most popular votes in each category. But with the voting weight education is losing to Administrative even though it six up. I feel like people should start to focus and pick between these because they all good options but which one wins matters.
[X] [Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
[X] [Gylruv] Education reform (0.8x)
[X] [Outside] Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Gylruv] Education reform (0.8x)
[X] [Outside] Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
[X] [Outside] Send diplomats to Tortun and Styrmyr groups to solidify a peaceful western land border (1x)
[X] [Gylruv] Mutual integration (1x)
[X] [Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
[X] [Outside] Subtly push the Black Sheep into splitting along an East-West fracture point so you can dominate the Western break (0.9x)
[X] [Gylruv] Administrative reform (2x)
[X] [Outside] Subtly push the Black Sheep into splitting along an East-West fracture point so you can dominate the Western break (0.9x)
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- Location
- The underworld
i believe a new map needs to be made
as i just don't understand the great changes the last few turns
who is who
as i just don't understand the great changes the last few turns
who is who
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
[X] [Outside] Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)