Paths of Civilization

agumentic · Feb 17, 2018

@LuciDreamer, @ALanos, you voted for everything except the steppe. Now that we are surely not going there, do you still want to approval vote ignore?
@Chiperninerm You also approval vote for both bribe and ignore, if you just don't want to go to steppe, you can drop ignore for a chance of peace.

Legion0047 · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Prince Kyros · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)

PrimalShadow · Feb 17, 2018

LuciDreamer said:
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Chiperninerm said:
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)

ALanos said:
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

FYI, two of your voted (ignore and bribe) are currently the top two leading options. If you have an opinion on which of those you want winning specifically, consider changing your vote accordingly.

HanEmpire · Feb 17, 2018

Random Member said:
Meh, becoming a Mongol vassal might teach us a thing or two. Atleast it might convince some people here that we're not as invincible as they think....

The cost is just too high. Nomads have no proper appreciation for things like "sustainable taxation" or "books and knowledge".

ctulhuslp · Feb 17, 2018

Bend not break etc
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Publicola · Feb 17, 2018

[x] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)

agumentic · Feb 17, 2018

Legion0047 said:
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Dead vote due to weighting, vote for bribe if you want a chance to peace. That was your PSA for today.

sidestory · Feb 17, 2018

Raichu1972 said:
I'm pretty sure the weighted vote is representative of the reaction of the People?

That's why killing them all is worth 100 times more than attempting to talk to them.

Because our People hate them due opposite values and a Legacy that allows hating them within pur values

Academia Nut said:
Rage Against the Steppes - Always have a casus belli with Subdue Tribe or Humiliate War Goal against steppe nomads

notgreat said:
Anyone else weirded out at how quickly the isolationism came up?

No it makes Complete Sense, because that cultural behavior reflects our play-style which always favored towards isolationism

We Never sought diplomatical Ties if we could avoid nor took we ever any Trading or diplomatical actions After King of the Hill Never, because we never had to with the drip

So it makes sende that the people we have Reigned over since the Dawn of Time are in favor of Political Choices that lead to their success in the last

notgreat said:
Also, I think I have to agree that the vote weighting mechanic is a very awkward one.

It's not, it's just honest and that is Not something the thread is used to
Before we were very much like the nobility that so many of this thread painted as the Devil himself and just talked among ourself in order to find our consense
Now however the people we Reign have a Voice of their own within the Voting, which is the weighting
That is something that the thread is not used and as we are suddenly are confronted with the Civilisation we have raised, Not something that everybody likes

NotThe1st · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)

When a nomad gets a bit pushy with their demands I don't think our first response should be an Exterminatus. Let them attack us first where we're strongest instead of rushing into the steppes if we must fight.

VoidZero · Feb 17, 2018

HanEmpire said:
The cost is just too high. Nomads have no proper appreciation for things like "sustainable taxation" or "books and knowledge".

You sure you are aware the exploits of Great Khan? His rule are relatively fair compared to other nomadic.

HanEmpire · Feb 17, 2018

NotThe1st said:
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)

Please put this option as a conditional, so that we don't snub the Khan.
[] Preferred plan
-[] Secondary conditional plan

Legion0047 · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)

agumentic · Feb 17, 2018

sidestory said:
No it makes Complete Sense, because that cultural behavior reflects our play-style which always favored towards isolationism

Tbh, we never went that much with isolationism - this here is mainly the result of going full internal in the first vote. Yeah, it was 35 minutes and we never knew there was two options in play, or that first timeskip will go through 500-1000 years, but that's just pretty much me being salty and complaining from hindsight.

Prince Kyros · Feb 17, 2018

Crush them! Make. them. suffer!

OliWhail · Feb 17, 2018

HanEmpire said:
Please put this option as a conditional, so that we don't snub the Khan.
[] Preferred plan
-[] Secondary conditional plan

Actually this seems like a solid idea generally. Do like:

[] x2
-[] x8

Does AN count this as support for x2 or no?

agumentic · Feb 17, 2018

OliWhail said:
Actually this seems like a solid idea generally. Do like:

[] x2
-[] x8

Does AN count this as support for x2 or no?

He does.

DkArthas · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)

Meh, let's give the mongrels a chance.

HanEmpire · Feb 17, 2018

VoidZero said:
You sure you are aware the exploits of Great Khan? His rule are relatively fair compared to other nomadic.

Compared to the other nomads sure.

PrimalShadow · Feb 17, 2018

Here is the point against ignore: if we do that, the chieftain has no choice but to attack us if he wants to save face before his subordinates. In contrast, if we ignore his demands but give him standard bribes, he might not be satisfied personally, but he will at least be able to spin it into success politically if he doesn't think attacking us is expedient.

OliWhail · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
-[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)

And then just in case
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Rihtan · Feb 17, 2018

Ok, I thought the x10 multiplier in the last vote was a little much. But an x.1 and an x10 multiplier in the same vote?

I feel that this game mechanic may have been pushed to a highly dubious position and it is likely to cause much salt. With that in mind, I'm gonna vote and then go hide until this is over. Good Luck.

[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Prince Kyros · Feb 17, 2018

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Ymar,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our land, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender! Death to the barbarians!

Citino · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Hangwind · Feb 17, 2018

Whelp. Time to put this back on ignore for a while. Nothing like an unwinnable vote to kill enthusiasm.

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