Paths of Civilization

Lydia · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)

Abby Normal · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

agumentic · Feb 17, 2018

VoidZero said:
By the time the nomadic hero arrives he could have eaten the surrounding states and bloated to multiple giant forces. So it's either strike to break snowballing or not at all and hope he isn't planning to conquer us.

Yeah, I thought on it. Bribes seem fine, maybe fighting him - though that seems somewhat ill-advised.

DocMatoi · Feb 17, 2018

PrimalShadow said:
We have no IC reason to think that this warlord is exceptional. The only reason to believe that is OOC: namely, we got a vote on this, so "obviously" the warlord is something important.

So my vote is for what I think we should do whenever a nomad starts making demands; either ignore them and kill them at our walls, or send "standard" gifts to them. Giving in to their demands just because they are made forcefully seems like a bad idea.

the .01 vote is for "hey lets become actual friends with this guy" but thats already completely impossible

Motoko · Feb 17, 2018

TALLY
ACK< DON'T Poke THE GENGHIS KHAN!
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)
[x] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)

Adhoc vote count started by Motoko on Feb 17, 2018 at 3:04 PM, finished with 141603 posts and 39 votes.

24 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)
- DocMatoi
- Umi-san
- ExNihilo
- Aabcehmu
- gutza1
- ScreenWatcher
- Spacegnom
- tenchifew
- Raichu1972
- Carrnage
- Vocalend
- Doomed Wombat
- Da Boyz
- Mors
- Motoko
- VoidZero
- Gavoon
- Susano
- drasteed
- HanEmpire
- Timewinders
- Chiperninerm
- Oshha
- Abby Normal
14 people have voted
[x] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
- SpeckofStardust
- agumentic
- DragonParadox
- Lydia
- Gavoon
- Susano
- drasteed
- PrimalShadow
- 8bitBob
- HanEmpire
- Timewinders
- Chiperninerm
- Oshha
- Abby Normal
7 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
- karmaoa
- 8bitBob
- HanEmpire
- Timewinders
- Chiperninerm
- Oshha
- Abby Normal
5 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] The steppes are clearly inneed of their generational cleaning up (x10)
- VoidZero
- Legion0047
- SMY
- Ian Drash
- sidestory
4 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)

Adhoc vote count started by Motoko on Feb 17, 2018 at 4:18 PM, finished with 141787 posts and 83 votes.

54 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)
- gutza1
- ScreenWatcher
- tenchifew
- Carrnage
- Doomed Wombat
- Da Boyz
- Mors
- Taut_Templar
- Empere
- No7sHere
- Quest
- Strange9
- Sivantic
- kalugin
- nat_401
- sunrise
- Erandil
- Tetsurou
- Rihtan
- Spacegnom
- HanEmpire
- Vocalend
- Timewinders
- Abby Normal
- Raichu1972
- Random Member
- Chronic
- ETA50M
- Katsuragi
- drasteed
- Rakuhn
- ExNihilo
- minerva-n-memes
- Killer_Whale
- DakkaMania
- Malevolo
- Oshha
- Satsuma Red
- DocMatoi
- Kenloch
... and 14 more.
48 people have voted
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- SpeckofStardust
- agumentic
- DragonParadox
- Lydia
- Mortis
- PrimalShadow
- StarkDemise
- fictionfan
- Publicola
- DkArthas
- Legion0047
- Spacegnom
- HanEmpire
- Vocalend
- Timewinders
- Abby Normal
- Raichu1972
- Random Member
- Chronic
- ETA50M
- Katsuragi
- drasteed
- Rakuhn
- ExNihilo
- minerva-n-memes
- Killer_Whale
- DakkaMania
- Malevolo
- Oshha
- Satsuma Red
- DocMatoi
- Kenloch
- Karugus
- PurposefulZephyr
- ctulhuslp
- Citino
- Chiperninerm
- 8bitBob
- Susano
- George
... and 8 more.
31 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
- karmaoa
- Spacegnom
- HanEmpire
- Vocalend
- Timewinders
- Abby Normal
- Raichu1972
- Random Member
- Chronic
- ETA50M
- Katsuragi
- drasteed
- Rakuhn
- ExNihilo
- minerva-n-memes
- Killer_Whale
- DakkaMania
- Malevolo
- Oshha
- Satsuma Red
- DocMatoi
- Kenloch
- Karugus
- PurposefulZephyr
- ctulhuslp
- Citino
- 8bitBob
- LuciDreamer
- ALanos
- NotThe1st
- OliWhail
14 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
- Chiperninerm
- Gr33n34r
- Timewarriors
- Spartan492
- Virian
- Dorsey
- Marlin
- Theunderbolt
- Piren'e Colass
- Prince Kyros
- SMY
- LuciDreamer
- ALanos
- NotThe1st
2 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] The steppes are clearly inneed of their generational cleaning up (x10)
- Ian Drash
- SMY
2 people have voted
[x] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
-[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
- Gavoon
- OliWhail
1 people have voted
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)
-[X] [Steppe] The steppes are clearly in need of their generational cleaning up (x10)
- VoidZero
1 people have voted
-[X] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
- sidestory

ETA50M · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

Lol bribe him as much as possible and hope he goes east this time and sacks notChina instead of us like OTL Baghdad which we currently rule.

Aabcehmu · Feb 17, 2018

PrimalShadow said:
We have no IC reason to think that this warlord is exceptional. The only reason to believe that is OOC: namely, we got a vote on this, so "obviously" the warlord is something important.

So my vote is for what I think we should do whenever a nomad starts making demands; either ignore them and kill them at our walls, or send "standard" gifts to them. Giving in to their demands just because they are made forcefully seems like a bad idea.

We are given all the options for a reason. Also, I would note that we do have a history of reaching out for notable nomad rulers (when they aren't Pure, anyway).

Taut_Templar · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

agumentic · Feb 17, 2018

Oshha said:
Yes, there are in-universe explanations

Well, in-universe explanations are out-of-universe explanations. Some things are easier to get than the others, so it's reflected in votes.

Raichu1972 · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

It's literally impossible for further relations to win now since the vote weighing is so ridiculous, so please approval vote for the bribes as well people.

Gr33n34r · Feb 17, 2018

We shall give them the standard gift the Ymarin have for marauding invaders: Their bodyweight in steel crossbowbolts shot at high velocity!

HanEmpire · Feb 17, 2018

The Ymaryn are fucked. There's ~60 votes for fighting Genghis Khan on the Steppes.

George · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

I'll of course remove the x2 if the x0.1 beats the x10 and x8.

HanEmpire said:
The Ymaryn are fucked. There's ~60 votes for fighting Genghis Khan on the Steppes.

PrimalShadow · Feb 17, 2018

Oshha said:
This is my point. Before, each voter had an equal say in the matter. Now one voter can be worth a hundred. Please explain to me how that is fair?

You can add 1/10 of a vote to one option, or 10 to the other. Just like everyone else.
Some things are easier than others. Not sure if they should be 100x easier, but the idea in general is perfectly solid.

Whether it is "fair" depends on your definition of fairness, but it is certainly no more unfair than options not being offered at all.

Aabcehmu · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

HanEmpire · Feb 17, 2018

Fucking hell people, you realize the Ymaryn military supremacy is based on our Infrastructure, yes? The thing that doesn't exist out in the Steppes?

Random Member · Feb 17, 2018

[] [Steppe] Ignore the upstart, he will dash his forces against the People if he dares further action (x8)
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

DragonParadox · Feb 17, 2018

EWilanO said:
We shall give them the standard gift the Ymarin have for marauding invaders: Their bodyweight in steel crossbowbolts shot at high velocity!

*sigh*

It's comments like this that make me believe the game will be better off once the Ymaryn break. We have entirely forgotten how the Ymaryn got here it seems.

Oshha · Feb 17, 2018

agumentic said:
Well, in-universe explanations are out-of-universe explanations. Some things are easier to get than the others, so it's reflected in votes.

Except explain to mean how the in-universe explanation suddenly makes it fair for it to be possible for one voter to worth a hundred voters.

Oshha said:
This is my point. Before, each voter had an equal say in the matter. Now one voter can be worth a hundred. Please explain to me how that is fair?

notgreat · Feb 17, 2018

Well, this is some rather extreme vote weighting.

[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)
[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)

PrimalShadow · Feb 17, 2018

DocMatoi said:
the .01 vote is for "hey lets become actual friends with this guy" but thats already completely impossible

Yeah, the x0.1 option seems kind of our-of-character for our society, which I would assume is why the multiplier is as low as it is.

DkArthas · Feb 17, 2018

Then vote for the ignore option. Best way to stop the x10 one from winning.

Raichu1972 · Feb 17, 2018

Can we at least vote to have them come to us instead of fighting them in the steppes?

Like, we just spent a ton of time building up Ymaryn infrastructure, can we please use it?

Random Member · Feb 17, 2018

DragonParadox said:
*sigh*

It's comments like this that make me believe the game will be better off once the Ymaryn break. We have entirely forgotten how the Ymaryn got here it seems.

We have grown arrogant. Maybe Not!Genghis can teach us how to be humble again?

DocMatoi · Feb 17, 2018

[X] [Steppe] Send the traditionally determined bribes (x2)
[X] [Steppe] Acquiesce to the larger than usual demands (x0.8)
[X] [Steppe] Reach out to further relations with this successful warlord (x0.1)

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