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I think the Grey Order is not really compatible with "being heir to a major trade empire".

...yes, I know, but there's excuses you make for acquiring one afterwards and there's the requirements to cut ties with your old family and not inherit a trade empire.

It is in the update that there is no issue

Nudging Eike down the path of the Grey Order might, from a certain point of view, be best for the Order and the EIC. The Vow of Poverty would not necessarily prevent Eike from inheriting, but it will mean that she will be required to make the EIC 'of direct and practical use to her cause'. You take a moment to smile at the thought - perhaps instead of becoming Wilhelmina's heir, she would be Wilhelmine's.
 
Pretty sure we don't actually know if it is canon.
It probably is not.
It isn't
The canonical story of Egrimm's corruption is Alric going 'since snakes are the symbol of our Order, we can throw random children in a snake pit and this will have useful results somehow' and then doing that with Egrimm and his sister, so Egrimm dedicates himself to revenge. That is astoundingly stupid so it is not being used.
 
Here's some (very) speculative rambling about what a Grey Majority EIC would mean.

First, it cannot be a normal for-profit company. Reinvestment is ok, but there's a limit to that before people start getting upset about a economic takeover. There's some room for silk sheets (good nights sleep is a totally practical), but not to the degree a fully developed EIC would produce, even setting the silk aside. At some point, it has to reach mostly neutral income.

Second, it cannot remain a normal private company. We already had someone come in about what competition given the grey stockholder means. With the official heiress a Grey and with a Grey stockholder majority, people will consider it a Grey College operation, or demand a redistribution of stock (which could be done, but I don't want to, and so it will not be discussed further, for it is icky).

I suggest embracing that, and making it the official Unofficial Stance. The EIC essentially becomes a government organ, with two major roles:
  1. Infrastructure: Those useful services that you can't profit on without removing much of their use. Postal service, fire brigades, public transportation if that ever becomes a thing. That sort of thing. It works for people, who get a useful service at a reasonable price. It works for the government people, because you really want that sort of thing, but you also don't want to finance it, because the benefits are kinda indirect. It works for the empire in the long term, because the support won't be cut by shortsighted/selfish local nobles. And it works for the Greys, because it gives them the perfect kind of soft power: Normally unobtrusive but quite powerful, and non-threatenting. Annoying the postman is a very bad idea, but being the postman doesn't let you conquer anything, and so people aren't tempted to conquer you first.
    1. Creating a healthcare system would be a great way for Eike to life out and apply her Shallyian faith.
  2. Base-level supply of common goods. If the EIC sets an upper limit on the cost of food and such, that means profitieering is strongly curtailed. Which seems like something the Greys would approve of. It already served that kind of role before, supplying the army of Stirland during the Sylvanian campaign. As a organization belonging to the empire as a whole (by way of the Grey college) and sworn to political neutrality, it can actually take on this logistic role for other provinces as well. As a neat bonus, it makes inter-province fights more difficult and costly, because then you wouldn't benefit from that logistic network. This is also something the Greys would very much like.
    1. A variant of this and the first, the EIC could also act as a middle man for smaller traders in general. For a small fee (and following some behavioral principles), you can have your stuff transported and sold to distant locations. This is also already sort of happening, with traders joining the much better armed EIC convoys due to the rise in riverine piracy comming from Marienburg.
      That would also be force towards the reduction/removal of internal tariff barriers.
You'd still have the dwarf trade and other such things that would get you a good profit, but that money would go towards endeavors that aren't really profitable.

I've also considered that the EIC might take on the role of something like the Empire's Merchant Marine (especially if Marienburg goes well), and handle trade with dwarfs (and elves, again if Marienburg goes well). That fits the Grey role of diplomats, but it also seems like it'd be a bit too much, powerwise. And it just doesn't have such a good basis in the quest so far. But it is another possibility. Maybe after the runestone project, because that's pretty international.

Thinking about it, the EIC in this scenario would be a force for the centralization of the empire. It would actually be uniquely well positioned for this. The Colleges are one of few (the only*?) organizations that by their charter work for the empire instead of individual provinces or rulers. And the Grey college specifically is obligated to political neutrality, so a Grey controlled EIC doesn't pose the risk of losing power to a rival.

*Are there any others? The cults aren't, because they're both too local (Ulric is more a northern thing, Sigmar more a southern) and not local enough (Myrmida and co exist outside the empire as well, leading to... uncertain allegiances). The Witchhunters are sort of in the correct direction, but we already saw in story that they had problems too whether to serve Sigmar's church or the Empire. Their mandate doesn't lend itself to it either. The Emperors will push towards it, but they also have a lot of other ambitions, and they also have the Reikland (or another province) as their personal fief, which means they're not impartial. Such attempts will also get more resistance from the electors because of that reason. A lot of other imperial institution will have a similar problem, because their loyalties would be to the person of emperor before the state.
 
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In Mathilde case she got good people but that might not be the case for Eike in the future due to politics or whatever
I mean, Eike has the unique advantage that she has a LM watching over her career.

Mathilde can absolutly, with near 100% certainty get her a job that is mostly "running the EIC for the benefit of the Empire", because Mathilde is one of the most powerful people in her order and even if for some absurd reason the rest of the Grey Order thought it would be smarter to have the heir to a major trade empire play spy somewhere far away from that, Mathilde at least could push for it and succede.
 
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The Colleges are one of few (the only*?) organizations that by their charter work for the empire instead of individual provinces or rulers.

*Are there any others?

Off the top of my head, all that occurs to me is the Imperial Gunnery School. The Empire's decentralization of power both caused and was exacerbated by the the Time of Three Emperors, and just about any institution that predates Magnus the Pious will be tied into local power structures, rather than the Empire as a whole.
 
Off the top of my head, all that occurs to me is the Imperial Gunnery School. The Empire's decentralization of power both caused and was exacerbated by the the Time of Three Emperors, and just about any institution that predates Magnus the Pious will be tied into local power structures, rather than the Empire as a whole.
I'm not sure, but I think the Order of the Silver Hammer might count?
The officially sanctioned Witchhunters have a headquarter in one province (Talabecland I think?), but they are not limited to that province.
 
Off the top of my head, all that occurs to me is the Imperial Gunnery School. The Empire's decentralization of power both caused and was exacerbated by the the Time of Three Emperors, and just about any institution that predates Magnus the Pious will be tied into local power structures, rather than the Empire as a whole.
there is an argument that the 2d imperal fleet is more loyal to Nordland then the empire

the same could be said about the 1st and Rikland, but well....
 
I'm not sure, but I think the Order of the Silver Hammer might count?
The officially sanctioned Witchhunters have a headquarter in one province (Talabecland I think?), but they are not limited to that province.

Magnus did his best to secularize the existing Order, but in the years since they've largely slipped back into the Cult of Sigmar's control.

there is an argument that the 2d imperal fleet is more loyal to Nordland then the empire

the same could be said about the 1st and Rikland, but well....

Yeah, there's a lot of 'Imperial' institutions in Altdorf that are going to experience one hell of a tug-of-war if an Emperor ever ascends that doesn't want to call it home.
 
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No, Knighthood doesn't work like that in the Empire. It's inherited, granted by an Elector Count, or given upon induction to a Knightly Order.
Knighthood can be inherited without any official sanction by anyone? Among both genders? Wouldn't that mean that over time there's all kinds of sedentary "knights" living burgher lives? I remember that knights are in theory supposed to rally to their liege's banner, even if practically it isn't always followed through on and I expect that gold in lieu of service often suffices. But if a knight can offer neither and doesn't have other connections vouching for him or her, I'd expect the knighthood to get revoked far more easily than a barony or higher.

Also, is every child of a knight also a knight eventually or only the firstborn/favored heir who gets it together with the associated piece of land?
That's a matter of religious debate and opinion; certainly you'd find Ranaldites and Shallayans who agree with it, but equally you'll find those who are vehemently opposed to the very notion.
Well, there's no reason for Mathilde to stop being an influence on her.
When was the last time the Grey Order gave us a job?

*crickets*

That is right, never unless you count the job in Stirland which was the conspiracy. As long s you are already doing something to help the Empire the Grey Order will not meddle with you and we have Mathilde in the text saying what she will be able to inherit the company despite the Vow. Being that she is a Lord Magister I imagine she would know.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that Mathilde is the norm. She was well liked by her teachers, got pulled into a near unprecedentedly important job for her first Journeying, stayed on it for many years, exceeded expectations by a massive margin and then immediately passed her Magister test with flying colors.

After that she had well earned a vacation/choosing her first project as a Magister and happened to be pivotal during the first reconquest of a Karak in ages. That landed her another job that was unprecedented in Human history as a whole. Which, again, she mastered more excellently than anyone could imagine.

These are the kinds of things that let the Grey Order decide to be hands off and to care even less than usual about just how many fish jump on her boat. But if Mathilde through the EIC starts thinking about creating some kind of Grey shareholder-knight dynasty and Eike isn't also as stellar and as apparently loyal as Mathilde, we should not expect things to be as easy and as smooth for her.
Mathilde doesn't really know the Cults well enough to say for sure, but she doubts any will object to having the heir to a trade empire being dropped into their laps for them to mould.
So as far as she knows, a Shallyan (or Verenan or Morrite) priest that spends more time running a commercial business than doing priestly stuff is not unheard of?
It's not used so much these days and I celebrate it becoming redundant in large swathes of the world, but it will probably never be completely forgotten because in the eighties, the US Navy spent quite a bit of time and money trying to find someone called Dorothy that they thought was at the center of a giant network of closeted gay sailors.
Oh, so "Friend of Rhya" is presumably a gender neutral term for all queer folk? I was about to ask what friendly euphemism circulated in the Empire for male gay people.
Imagine being so 1% that, when you find out you are a wizard, you instantly land an apprenticeship with a Lady Magister because she is friends with your grandmum :V
You mean right after meeting a king and a prince of two different allied polities?
Again, helps that the vote isn't a simple 'Pick one option'. Ensures that there's going to be some nuance to Matthildes advice.
Yeah, but if one option wins with double or triple the votes of the next place then the advice will go accordingly.
Cutting ties with family is only a requirement for the Amethysts.
How does that align with the Vow of Poverty that, as far as I understood, at least gets conveyed as a real thing when you are still an apprentice or journeyman? I mean in character and out we didn't know how lax those rules are until we paid our first sizeable tithes and had the talk with von Bucht.
 
Knighthood can be inherited without any official sanction by anyone? Among both genders? Wouldn't that mean that over time there's all kinds of sedentary "knights" living burgher lives? I remember that knights are in theory supposed to rally to their liege's banner, even if practically it isn't always followed through on and I expect that gold in lieu of service often suffices. But if a knight can offer neither and doesn't have other connections vouching for him or her, I'd expect the knighthood to get revoked far more easily than a barony or higher.

Also, is every child of a knight also a knight eventually or only the firstborn/favored heir who gets it together with the associated piece of land?

Inherited Knighthood is associated with a specific parcel of land. Only one person can hold it at a time. In modern times, paying taxes to fund the province's standing army and having your taxpayers ready and able to be raised as militia is considered equivalent to 'rallying to the banner'.

So as far as she knows, a Shallyan (or Verenan or Morrite) priest that spends more time running a commercial business than doing priestly stuff is not unheard of?

Mathilde is not well versed in the typical daily lives of Shallyan or Verenan or Morrite priests.

Oh, so "Friend of Rhya" is presumably a gender neutral term for all queer folk?

Pretty much.

How does that align with the Vow of Poverty that, as far as I understood, at least gets conveyed as a real thing when you are still an apprentice or journeyman? I mean in character and out we didn't know how lax those rules are until we paid our first sizeable tithes and had the talk with von Bucht.

If you inherit, spend or invest it in a way of direct and practical use to your cause. If you don't know how, consult the Bursar.
 
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Off the top of my head, all that occurs to me is the Imperial Gunnery School. The Empire's decentralization of power both caused and was exacerbated by the the Time of Three Emperors, and just about any institution that predates Magnus the Pious will be tied into local power structures, rather than the Empire as a whole.
How much does the Imperial Gunnery school exist across the empire? I thought it was mostly Altdorf, with the recent outpost at K8P. Nuln might have one too, but I think that's an independent thing. My impression was that cannon production isn't all that widespread, and it makes sense to export the cannoneers with the cannons, or at least train them there.

It's honestly astounding the empire is as unified as it is, given that it's spend about 150 years being a single country and a thousand being three separate countries at war. From the timescale, that's roughly like Germany and France (and northern Italy) uniting, because they used to be part of the Carolingian Empire.
 
Personally I'm quite fond of letting Eike join up with the Shallyans. I feel that (especially in Stirland!) people will be a lot happier working with a trade company whose plurality stakeholder has ties to a well respected cult, as opposed to one where 2/3rds of it are owned by wizards.

Shallya is friendly with Ranald too, so that's a bonus.
 
How much does the Imperial Gunnery school exist across the empire? I thought it was mostly Altdorf, with the recent outpost at K8P. Nuln might have one too, but I think that's an independent thing. My impression was that cannon production isn't all that widespread, and it makes sense to export the cannoneers with the cannons, or at least train them there.

It's honestly astounding the empire is as unified as it is, given that it's spend about 150 years being a single country and a thousand being three separate countries at war. From the timescale, that's roughly like Germany and France (and northern Italy) uniting, because they used to be part of the Carolingian Empire.

It's based in Nuln, not Altdorf, and it's pretty much entirely centralized there. Nuln was actually the de facto capital of the Empire under Magnus and his successors until it was sacked by greenskins during Dieter IV's reign, who fled to Altdorf and re-established himself there. All the Emperors since Dieter have been the Elector Counts of Reikland.

The thing about the Time of the Three Emperors is that pretty much nobody wanted to actually leave the Empire, they just disagreed over who should be in charge of it. That meant that when someone emerged with bona fides backed up by the actual Gods saying 'he's in charge now, don't make me come down there', everything clicked back together pretty well. Also Magnus reigned for like sixty goddamn years and was an incredibly good administrator.
 
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@BoneyM Is there any requirement for wizards to announce their status as wizard/for the colleges to disclose everyone on their rolls? Obviously if you pick up an unhideable arcane mark you can't conceal your membership, but could Eike secretly join the Grey College?

A spy is much better when her identity isn't publicly known after all and the reaction to Eike the heiress/head of the EIC visitng somewhere and Eike the grey wizard visiting the same place is likely to be very different.
 
@BoneyM Is there any requirement for wizards to announce their status as wizard/for the colleges to disclose everyone on their rolls? Obviously if you pick up an unhideable arcane mark you can't conceal your membership, but could Eike secretly join the Grey College?

A spy is much better when her identity isn't publicly known after all and the reaction to Eike the heiress/head of the EIC visitng somewhere and Eike the grey wizard visiting the same place is likely to be very different.

No. If Grey Wizards want to do spy stuff, they can just not use their real name.
 
All the shipping from K8P goes through Azul? How does that work, isn't it further in the middle of the mountain range than K8P? Or does that mean their trading guilds have the exclusive right to manage shipping exports from K8P?

All the shipping of the things Karak Azul buys is exclusively handled by Karak Azul Dwarves for the journey between Karak Eight Peaks and Karak Azul.
 
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