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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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so. i think we should either go for neutral (dont influence our friend), advocate for magic-dampening (not really feeling this one tbh), or try and get her put in the grey order as our future apprentice (because she is a character we have a connection too and care about).
 
I mean, if we're worried about noble and upper class reception, we could send her to the Celestials. Then again I'm not really sure if Celestials are allowed to head businesses or something...
 
Eike can stay composed under pressure , she has a knack for quickly blending in to a new place, and she seems to have an eye for detail. I think she'd thrive in the Grey Order.

I don't think dampening her magic would end well.
 
I'm in favour of Gold, Celestial and Let Eike decide. There is a temptation to go "apprentice get!", but the vow of poverty is a drag.

Magic dampening sounds like a disaster in the making. Yeah there are probably a lot of perfectly normal magic dampened nobles out and about, but I don't want to tempt these dice.
 
DragonParadox said:
The update makes it clear the EIC does not disqualify her for Grey. she just has to jump through the same loophole we do. 'It is of clear and present use to the Empire'. Since we are already an owner and Grey nothing would have to change.
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I'm not saying she can't be a Grey, I'm saying she would be a bad fit for Grey. Can't run across the Empire tracking evils while also running a trade company. That and being the head of a large trading company is probably going to get pushback from the spirit of the Vow of Poverty. If not from the Bursar, then the burghers who are interested in limiting the Colleges and the EIC's power.
 
You know another thing that just occurred to me is that there is another is that there is a similarity between Mathy and Eike here, they both got found as mages young, only the contrast is that where Mathy was almost burned at the stake Eike will get all the support and help she needs.
 
I think the Grey's would help with dealing with different cultures. That can end up being the EIC niche, as a trading concern. Dealing with non-humans. Like halflings, dwarves, The We, Elves and so on. As well as foreign cultures. That's what the twistyness of the Grey would help with.

The biggest issue with geting Eike into the Grey's is that the Vow of Poverty would gut her in her role as Steward and Merchant, as those duties run directly counter to it.

Jade might also be interesting, and fit in with her Shalayan pacifist-healer leanings.
 
BoneyM said:
"The tall golden one?" she guesses.

"No, she's a Jade Wizard."

She thinks about that. "She's a friend of Rhya?"
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Okay, so I know that this is just supposed to be a "Eike has heard some things and put two and two together" moment, but that doesn't stop me from imagining that the girl's magesight also comes with a rudimentary gaydar. A useful tool, if developed well no doubt.

But yes, around here we're friends of Dorothy/Mara/Rhya.
 
NeonLights said:
I'm not saying she can't be a Grey, I'm saying she would be a bad fit for Grey. Can't run across the Empire tracking evils while also running a trade company. That and being the head of a large trading company is probably going to get pushback from the spirit of the Vow of Poverty. If not from the Bursar, then the burghers who are interested in limiting the Colleges and the EIC's power.
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Why would she have to run across the Empire, there is no law that says Greys have to do stereotypical Grey Things. Have you met Magister Mathilde? As for the Burghers having some say in how the Vow of Poverty is enforced, well you will note they did not say anything about us in charge of a good bit of the stock and that is because they do not get a say.
 
Wardragon said:
Don't forget we a Knight of Stirland , could we not knight her when she comes to age as well
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No, Knighthood doesn't work like that in the Empire. It's inherited, granted by an Elector Count, or given upon induction to a Knightly Order.

Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Human runesmith!!!!!!!
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Leaving aside whether or not it's even metaphysically possible, this is explicitly disallowed by the strictures of the Cult of Thungni.
 
DragonParadox said:
Why would she have to run across the Empire, there is no law that says Greys have to do stereotypical Grey Things. Have you met Magister Mathilde? As for the Burghers having some say in how the Vow of Poverty is enforced, well you will note they did not say anything about us in charge of a good bit of the stock and that is because they do not get a say.
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Lady Magister Mathilde should not be used as a yard stick for the Grey College's modus operandi in regards to it's members. The only reason we didn't get a regular journeying is the Conspiracy. And the reason we didn't get put on a leash and orders to go investigate things or slip undercover is that the Sylvanian Campaign bought enough goodwill and trust. The College keeps tabs on it's graduate because Ulgu has massive potential to be abused, and with that may come limits on what she can or can't do.

And being a wizard comes with baggage. Being a Grey Wizard on top that comes with additional distrust, which will likely prove detrimental to making connections and deals. It's Eike's inheritance and she'll most likely end up in charge, but I don't see any reason to saddle her with additional baggage.
 
NeonLights said:
Lady Magister Mathilde should not be used as a yard stick for the Grey College's modus operandi in regards to it's members. The only reason we didn't get a regular journeying is the Conspiracy. And the reason we didn't get put on a leash and orders to go investigate things or slip undercover is that the Sylvanian Campaign bought enough goodwill and trust. The College keeps tabs on it's graduate because Ulgu has massive potential to be abused, and with that may come limits on what she can or can't do.

And being a wizard comes with baggage. Being a Grey Wizard on top that comes with additional distrust, which will likely prove detrimental to making connections and deals. It's Eike's inheritance and she'll most likely end up in charge, but I don't see any reason to saddle her with additional baggage.
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We have held a sake in that company since we were an ikle Journeymanling and a Journey can be anything that produces a mastery project. You can plop yourself on a couch in Aldorf and do magic research if you have the money for it. Lastly the EIC is already a Grey Wizard project, passing it to another Grey Wizard would not be any sort of scandal.

As for the baggage sure, but she will also get the best magical education you could hope for. How many mages do you imagine get to be apprenticed to an LM, much less one who is a family friend.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
A mage runesmith would be perfect though. Especially since mage sight, enchanting, magic tools, and Knowledge of the winds would unify both fields.

And unifying both fields (runes+magic(divine,arcane)are essentially what we're doing with the waystones.
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If consequences was enough to convince a dwarf to break an oath, WHF's history would look very different.
 
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Cheap Orange Knofe said:
A mage runesmith would be perfect though. Especially since mage sight, enchanting, magic tools, and Knowledge of the winds would unify both fields.

And unifying both fields (runes+magic(divine,arcane)are essentially what we're doing with the waystones.
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What I was aluding to is the fact that you cannot be a runesmith if you are not provably descended of Thungi, she is not so it is impossible.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
A mage runesmith would be perfect though. Especially since mage sight, enchanting, magic tools, and Knowledge of the winds would unify both fields.

And unifying both fields (runes+magic(divine,arcane)are essentially what we're doing with the waystones.
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Working with dwarves who use runes, yes (assuming you can convince them, of course). Actually using runes herself, no; she lacks the necessary heritage (to use runes you NEED to be a blood descendent of Thungni), and isn't a dwarf so she wouldn't be allowed access to the deeper secrets of runecraft regardless.
 
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NSMS said:
Working with dwarves who use runes, yes. Actually using runes herself, no; she lacks the necessary heritage (to use runes you NEED to be a blood descendent of Thungni), and isn't a dwarf so she wouldn't be allowed access to the deeper secrets of runecraft regardless.
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We do not know that for sure. All we know is that dwarfs will only teach runes to a descendant of Thungi. For all we know a properly motivated snotling could be a runesmith it is just that no one tried to teach one before. :V

That said the point is rather moot because of said tradition.
 
@BoneyM, I assume that the 'neutral' option would essentially be Mathilde explaining the different options and what she expects the outcomes/consequences to be without giving her preference? (So no deliberate bias, but possible unconscious ones)
 
Imagine explaining our dilemma to a dwarf "It is like finding a vein of gold in your living room wall. Amazing fortune, but really inconvenient."
 
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DragonParadox said:
We have held a sake in that company since we were an ikle Journeymanling and a Journey can be anything that produces a mastery project. You can plop yourself on a couch in Aldorf and do magic research if you have the money for it. Lastly the EIC is already a Grey Wizard project, passing it to another Grey Wizard would not be any sort of scandal.

As for the baggage sure, but she will also get the best magical education you could hope for. How many mages do you imagine get to be apprenticed to an LM, much less one who is a family friend.
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We don't even know if she has the magical potential to even make Journeywoman, but it's not impossible. But being an agent of the Grey Order and being the head of trade company are not likely to be compatible. She can't do jobs like Regimand in Nordland while also trying secure business deals in Ostermark. And we have no idea what her talents even are. Maybe it's diplomacy, maybe it's mathematics, maybe it's logistics. But whatever they may be, she can pursue them in any other College without the burden of responsibilities of being a Grey Wizard.
 
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