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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sparsebeard said:
So if she joined the clergy, would Eike potentially be able to cast Divine Magic?

If yes, this seems like a neat option.
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Chlof said:
So what generally happens to magical kids that enter the clergy, for reference? Or specifically Shallya's clergy, as they'd probably vary wildly and that's where she'd likely go.
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Or you suppose she could join the Clergy. Teclis was recorded as stating that Divine Magic and Arcane Magic is one and the same, so perhaps she can turn that gift towards more socially acceptable ends. But on the other hand, not everyone agrees with Teclis on that matter, and the Cults have very firmly resisted all attempts by the Colleges at getting at any solid answers.
 
NSMS said:
but the other could two I'm uncertain on.
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Other two are why I think she's getting some kind of Magic, preferably college.

Dampeners put a risk on her later in life, and whilst we might never see that in quest, I really don't like the Idea of Eike getting caught up in something she shouldn't. She's too adorable to let that happen to her.
 
You know what at the end of the day this is a story and I think that the narrative of Eike becoming a Grey under our tutelage is just too interesting to pass off. I mean it was literally a 1 in 100 chance for this to happen. Why pass it up? It would be sort of cool to make the EIC a grey order thing, which would have the double benefit as far as I am concerned of making the thing actually interesting. Yeah all in all I think I will vote Grey.
 
Eike might just have snuck in to being a new favourite of mine. Absolutely adorable...

We're recommending her for wizard, that's the only sane thing (well, that, or clergy, but I'm more sceptical of that one). At first, I was tempted to let her decide (maybe with some leaning on her to avoid the amethysts), but...
Godwinson said:
[ ] Wizard
- [ ] The Grey Order

When Ranald drops an apprentice in your lap, you follow through on it.
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That is a very good point...
 
Garlak said:
Though a directly-Mathilde-taught Grey Wizard would also be seen more favorably by the Karak Eight Peaks Dwarfs, which might make Eike's future job and role easier. Easier in one way, as the Dwarfs would see her as a continuation of Mathilde's tradition and tutelage and one of the granddaughters of a business partner harder too. Harder in another; as that whole "direct and practical use" thing... ... Plus, Eike has had years of tutelage of how to be on the straight and narrow. Trying to pivot to teaching her how to be a twisty-thinking Grey Wizard? ... Well, it's not impossible a circle to square. And I dunno if Mathilde is a good enough teacher for that though. (Mathilde has never taught an apprentice before. On the other hand, you always have to start with an apprentice at some point.) You can be moral and ethical as a Shadowmancer. Just... a lot of twisty thinking and justifications and rationalizations are involved in the life and mind of a Grey Wizard.
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Although, thinking upon it again...

This could be one very interesting way for Mathilde to leave (even more of a) footprint and continuous legacy in K8P, the EIC, and Stirland. Having raised and taught someone, and having the person taking up some of Mathilde's roles and places.

Even if Mathilde passes on, somebody will be there and still doing things while having been apprenticed under her. There'll be a living person to point to as a bit of continuation.

It's... a really cool thing to think about.

Of course the question is, do we even have the time and freedom of action to afford this? D: The grand library, the Eonir job... And now an Apprentice too. Oof.

On the other hand, the potential is cool.

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Garlak said:
I'd be interested in Clergy, Eike and Wilhelmina deciding, or the Gold Order.
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That's going to be happening no matter what, the vote here is for how Mathilde presents the matter to them to decide.
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Well, one of the options is literally "Let Eike decide (which Order to go in)". That was why I mused about Wilhelmina because of that.

In a broad sense, yeah of course Eike and Wilhelmina will be part of the decision, naturally.

Though that shouldn't be taken as me going "Hey, this should be added to the vote!" That was just me musing on things.
 
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Personally, I think I favor Grey, Gold, and "Let Eike decide" right now.

That said, the magesight aficionado in my is curious where "Follow in Vollans' footsteps" would come on this list. (IE: Just level up her magesight/absolute basics and come back to the issue in several decades.) and whether it would fall under dampers, going down the folly of the Magicker path, or being functionally the same as "Wizard - No specifics." (Or "Wizard - Grey - [Many turns later when she gets out of basic] Apprentice - Specific training regimen")
 
I had to set my phone down in the middle of the update, just to groan to my empty apartment "you've gotta be fucking kidding me" a few times. I was delighted to see that yes, this was a roll.

I'm inclined Wizard because it's less likely to blow up and it's kinda our job to do so, though I don't want to force her into a certain college. I feel uneasy about min-maxing that to benefit the EIC. If she's Grey, then yeah, you couldn't ask for a more narratively appropriate apprentice.
 
I have been wanting an apprentice for a while and this is basically Ranald serving up one in an platter. It will also take some years before she reaches the apprentice stage so we won't be overwhelmed with work.

Mathilde trying to be an master would also be interesting to read about tbh.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
Other two are why I think she's getting some kind of Magic, preferably college.

Dampeners put a risk on her later in life, and whilst we might never see that in quest, I really don't like the Idea of Eike getting caught up in something she shouldn't. She's too adorable to let that happen to her.
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I completely 100% understand that perspective, but we can't ignore that even learning the basics of magic takes years. Years in which she won't be learning how to run the EIC. And then there's the question of reputation- if the EIC is openly run by a magister it will impact how it's viewed, and probably not positively given the general view of magic in the Empire. We're lucky in that we don't really get hit by the bad press and religious hate towards magic users, but Eike wouldn't be able to avoid it.
 
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Garlak said:
Well, one of the options is literally "Let Eike decide (which Order to go in)". That was why I mused about Wilhelmina because of that.

In a broad sense, yeah of course Eike and Wilhelmina will be part of the decision, naturally.

Though that shouldn't be taken as me going "Hey, this should be added to the vote!" That was just me musing on things.
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Fair enough! I posted on it because it was feeling like folks were interpreting it as them otherwise not getting a say, at least in my reading.
 
Personally I am leaning towards Grey Apprentice option since the biggest hurdle for her would be making the EIC of 'a practical and direct use to her cause' which would be pretty easy to do since we'd already have most of the intelligence apparatus set up and can very easily ease her into taking control of that.

Plus it means she can have a shadowsteed of her own and she seemed to rather enjoy riding one.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Personally, I think I favor Grey, Gold, and "Let Eike decide" right now.

That said, the magesight aficionado in my is curious where "Follow in Vollans' footsteps" would come on this list. (IE: Just level up her magesight/absolute basics and come back to the issue in several decades.) and whether it would fall under dampers, going down the folly of the Magicker path, or being functionally the same as "Wizard - No specifics." (Or "Wizard - Grey - [Many turns later when she gets out of basic] Apprentice - Specific training regimen")
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"Here is a stupendously beautiful thing that can give you ultimate cosmic power. All you have to do to bend reality to your will is touch it. Now, don't touch it. Look at it! Look at it all the time. Let it become all you think about it. But don't touch it."

There's a reason Volans is considered unique. He's not just the product of long study, he's the product of early experimentation going so horrendously wrong that it dissuaded him from touching the Winds for thirty years, but instead of rejecting them altogether he still studied them without touching them for those thirty years, and then he was able to overcome that trauma and begin using them properly under Teclis' teaching when Magnus called for all magically-sensitive people to come to the Empire's aid.
 
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NSMS said:
I completely 100% understand that perspective, but we can't ignore that even learning the basics of magic takes years. Years in which she won't be learning how to run the EIC. And then there's the question of reputation- if the EIC is openly run by a magister it will impact how it's viewed, and probably not positively given the general view of magic in the Empire. We're lucky in that we don't really get hit by the bad press and religious hate towards magic users, but Eike wouldn't be able to avoid it.
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On the one hand that is true, but on the other being part of the Grey Order would give her access to information and just plain power that will compensate I think. People who might be inclined to stiff a trading company would be less sure of doing so to the wizard secret police. By the same token sheer unthinking denial of magic is not that common in the upper classes with which the EIC mostly deals with and it is getting less so as time goes on and the Colleges show their worth.

All things considered this is not optimal as far as the business side of things is concerned, but then Dampners are not optimal personally. Keep in mind we are not welding those to her hands, she can take them off and just on the other side of that is the promise of phenomenal cosmic power. I would not want to bet the future of the EIC and Wilhelmina's legacy on her managing to resist said temptation.
 
Sinsystems said:
Personally I am leaning towards Grey Apprentice option since the biggest hurdle for her would be making the EIC of 'a practical and direct use to her cause' which would be pretty easy to do since we'd already have most of the intelligence apparatus set up and can very easily ease her into taking control of that.

Plus it means she can have a shadowsteed of her own and she seemed to rather enjoy riding one.
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Training an apprentice does seem like a good way to level up diplomacy. Who knows maybe if we get good enough at explaining things we can actually manage to make our papers thrilling enjoyable reads.
 
DragonParadox said:
On the one hand that is true, but on the other being part of the Grey Order would give her access to information and just plain power that will compensate I think. People who might be inclined to stiff a trading company would be less sure of doing so to the wizard secret police. By the same token sheer unthinking denial of magic is not that common in the upper classes with which the EIC mostly deals with and it is getting less so as time goes on and the Colleges show their worth.

All things considered this is not optimal as far as the business side of things is concerned, but then Dampners are not optimal personally. Keep in mind we are not welding those to her hands, she can take them off and just on the other side of that is the promise of phenomenal cosmic power. I would not want to bet the future of the EIC and Wilhelmina's legacy on her managing to resist said temptation.
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Plus some Grey Wizard training would still help her, like the Diplomacy classes that Mathilde skipped back when she first started.
 
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Eike being sensitive to magic is a big curveball, but I think we can handle it.

I'm thinking Celestial or Gold, they'll have the least dictates toward how Eike should live her life and give her some nice spells for a trade magnate to boot. Sadly, that disqualifies the Greys. If she doesn't like it later on then the dampener jewelry is always an option.
 
I think that slanting it toward Grey Order has an understated advantage, in that it feels a lot more like it's a continuation of the existing personal relationship.
 
NeonLights said:
🎶Hi Ho, Hi Ho it's to Altdorf we go!🎶

Eike being sensitive to magic is a big curveball, but I think we can handle it.

I'm thinking Celestial or Gold, they'll have the least dictates toward how Eike should live her life and give her some nice spells for a trade magnate to boot. Sadly, that disqualifies the Greys. If she doesn't like it later on then the dampener jewelry is always an option.
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The update makes it clear the EIC does not disqualify her for Grey. she just has to jump through the same loophole we do. 'It is of clear and present use to the Empire'. Since we are already an owner and Grey nothing would have to change.
 
Honestly, I also just really like the idea of Being Eikes cool magic mentor Aunt.

And frankly, Whilst there's technically a vow of poverty, as we've shown, the way you circumvent that is by ploughing the money into things that end up being of greater help to the empire, and from what I gather thats absolutely something Whilhemina would find acceptable.
 
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