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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Derpmind said:
Um. What you're saying is an argument for giving the choice to Eike, not making the choice for her.
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Sorta. Practically, she probably doesn't know what she wants all that much better, and the ideal version where she always had the choice to take up the mantel of heiress doesn't exist, and neither does the Eike that would have resulted. If she's got a strong opinion, it should be respected. I don't think she does.
Plus, choosing for a child because you know better isn't always wrong. Because children are kind ignorant. It's just important to keep a balance (and I'll admit Eike is on the side of needing more freedom, not less).
 
Also, I'm fairly sure that apprentices that react poorly to their collage's wind get moved around until they find one that fits. Obviously not a perfect system—poor Hubert was so strongly aligned to elemental Azyr that he got stuck with the celestial despite being a bad personality match.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Also, I'm fairly sure that apprentices that react poorly to their collage's wind get moved around until they find one that fits. Obviously not a perfect system—poor Hubert was so strongly aligned to elemental Azyr that he got stuck with the celestial despite being a bad personality match.
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Clearly he just needs to develop the Combat Precognition Spell. Practical to him and gets him rep :V
 
@Derpmind I do not think the eleven year old can really make a meaningful college choice, because all she would know of the Colleges are us and the various stereotypes and to be honest I do not think she would expect a choice or in any way resent its lack. Eike was raised by Wilhelmina and the life she has now is not the consequence of some choice on her part, but of quite literally being bought from her mother and being molded into the heir her grandmother wants. If you give her a choice right now she is simply going to choose what she expects will earn her the most praise from the adults in her life because that is what she is used to.
 
DragonParadox said:
@Derpmind I do not think the eleven year old can really make a meaningful college choice, because all she would know of the Colleges are us and the various stereotypes and to be honest I do not think she would expect a choice or in any way resent its lack. Eike was raised by Wilhelmina and the life she has now is not the consequence of some choice on her part, but of quite literally being bought from her mother and being molded into the heir her grandmother wants. If you give her a choice right now she is simply going to choose what she expects will earn her the most praise from the adults in her life because that is what she is used to.
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If anything, the decision Eike is going to make is going to much more informed than the choice Mathilde made at the same age, and even with Mathilde suggesting a particular route, it's probably going to be the first real choice Eike has made, even if she can't fully grasp the complexities, nuances and implications of that choice just yet.

I think we owe to both Eike and Wilhelmina to advise what we think is best, and that will influence Eike, but it is ultimately, in her hands.
 
Imagine being so 1% that, when you find out you are a wizard, you instantly land an apprenticeship with a Lady Magister because she is friends with your grandmum :V
 
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I am for framing the question so as to encourage Eike to become a wizard, and recommending either a gold or a grey wizard.
Gold wizards would probably be liked by the current EIC head too.
 
We also have the opportunity here to introduce Eike to a number of wizards that don't fit the standard College stereotypes, so she can see that a known tendency doesn't have to define you.

Well, we had that opportunity, and will likely have a chance to do so as part of the future wrangling process.
 
Rereading the update, and in the text Mathilde muses that the Grey, Gold and Jade orders would be good for her, whilst the Amber, Amethyst and Bright would be a bad fit.

That, interestingly, leaves out the Light and Celestial orders, both of which Mathilde has a bit of a bias against (friendships with Hubert and Egrimm not withstanding).

I'm not sure I could see Eike in a choir—she is currently being groomed for a leadership position—and whilst seeing omens and portents would be devastating in a trader, would she actually care about worldly matters after she finished her apprenticeship? The Celestial order does try to discourage such thinking.

Realistically, it's Grey, Gold or Jade for her, and I'm not convinced on the Jade (although if someone has a good argument for it, I'm all ears). I also think Golds are a little too... sciencey? for her, compared to the people management of the Greys.
 
BoneyM said:
She'd go to the Colleges immediately. A lot of magical awakenings are horror stories, and a lot of new Wizards arrive in Altdorf with traces of soot or blood or worse still on them. Having the first dalliance with the Winds happen in a safe and controlled environment instead is considered desirable by most.
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You know, I wondered who would not consider that desirable.

And then I remembered that one of the many Alrics from the Lights threw people into snake pits to see if any crawled out.
 
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Andmeuths said:
The last I remembered on the Apprentice Issue, which predated even the Boon discussions (wow, it's been months) was BoneyM saying AP should be an irrelevant issue regarding taking an Apprentice, and one should focus on narrative reasons for taking or not taking an apprentice, without recourse to meta-gamey reasons like whether it'd send us into AP Hell influencing these discussions.
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...I can't agree with that logic. AP is just an abstraction of how Mathilde divides and uses her available time; AP hell is just a way of saying Mathilde has far more things to do than she has time to do things in.

Why on earth would "Mathilde is currently too busy with the Waystone Project to take on another serious time commitment", in any way be considered a meta-gaming argument?

Further, asking @BoneyM about the AP ramifications of taking on an apprentice is merely asking what Mathilde thinks IC about how such a thing might feasibly affect her future time managment.
 
Y'know, if I didn't see the "on a 100 she is a Wizard, Harry", I probably would be meh about she turning out to be magical. Having seen it tho, it becomes much more fun.

Xepheria said:
This is not canon to DL.
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I thought it wasn't canon that our good pal Horstman was one of those people, didn't think it didn't happen at all.

Hey, the Alric gang ain't as bad as I thought then.
 
Another reason to take Eike as an apprentice: we get to introduce her to more interesting people more often. Like Kragg. Or the We. Or Cython, or Cadeath, or all the other wizards, and hey, maybe we'll run into Asarnil and Deathfang again at some point. Hell, I kinda want to see what sort of reception an apprentice of Mathilde's would get in Karak Vlag, after we see what reception Mathilde gets of course.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
...I can't agree with that logic. AP is just an abstraction of how Mathilde divides and uses her available time; AP hell is just a way of saying Mathilde has far more things to do than she has time to do things in.

Why on earth would "Mathilde is currently too busy with the Waystone Project to take on another serious time commitment", in any way be considered a meta-gaming argument?

Further, asking @BoneyM about the AP ramifications of taking on an apprentice is merely asking what Mathilde thinks IC about how such a thing might feasibly affect her future time managment.
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It was a response to a line of argument I didn't like back during that last round of debate, one that I no longer remember the details of and have no interest in resurrecting to relitigate.
 
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Ericwinter said:
Another reason to take Eike as an apprentice: we get to introduce her to more interesting people more often. Like Kragg. Or the We. Or Cython, or Cadeath, or all the other wizards, and hey, maybe we'll run into Asarnil and Deathfang again at some point. Hell, I kinda want to see what sort of reception an apprentice of Mathilde's would get in Karak Vlag, after we see what reception Mathilde gets of course.
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We'd probably end up introducing her to our godson at some point.
 
Poor Wilhelmina, I rather not push her into a life of a wizard considering how harsh it can be, its quite different from the life she have with Wilhelmina.
Mathilde is biased considering how lucky we were leading up to now, making the most of it as we fight but is Eike really ready for this dangerous life, giving up her happy life to serve others, taking all the risks and obeying harsh masters and bigots?
Yeah no, better talk to Wilhelmina and see if we can keep her on the EIC path.
 
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Jrin said:
giving up her happy life to serve others, taking all the risks and obeying harsh masters and bigots?
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When did Mathilde ever serve someone that could be called a harsh master or a bigot?

We even know that even as a wizard she is still eligible to inherit EIC, as long as she does not become an amethyst wizard.
 
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