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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jrin said:
Mathilde is biased considering how lucky we were leading up to now
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Oh gods no, Matthilde knows damn well that magic is as much a Curse as a blessing.

Remember that she would have been thrown onto the pyre and her own parents would have done nothing to stop it. She has also been haunted by Wisdoms Asp, Been Sock Pupetted by Mork, And seen the very very explosive consequences of miscasts, as well as the forces of chaos.

She might prefer Magic to what her life would have been, but She's under no Illusions that it's safe.

The main thing that turns me personally off of Dampeners is that, should she ever be tempted (And oh boy, magic is freaking tempting), a miscast is among the least bad fates in store for her. She will always have this power, and I'd rather she know how to not end up getting burnt by it.
 
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Jrin said:
Poor Wilhelmina, I rather not push her into a life of a wizard considering how harsh it can be, its quite different from the life she have with Wilhelmina.
Mathilde is biased considering how lucky we were leading up to now, making the most of it as we fight but is Eike really ready for this dangerous life, giving up her happy life to serve others, taking all the risks and obeying harsh masters and bigots?
Yeah no, better talk to Wilhelmina and see if we can keep her on the EIC path.
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Ah yes the harsh masters of the Grey order who have ordered Mathilde to do pretty much nothing and let her live whats basically a life of luxury... while also being a massive share holder in the EIC

The Misery of a life so utterly devoid of joy, where she certainly isn't constantly amused by her own jokes and having fun playing with peoples expectations.
 
Jrin said:
Poor Wilhelmina, I rather not push her into a life of a wizard considering how harsh it can be, its quite different from the life she have with Wilhelmina.
Mathilde is biased considering how lucky we were leading up to now, making the most of it as we fight but is Eike really ready for this dangerous life, giving up her happy life to serve others, taking all the risks and obeying harsh masters and bigots?
Yeah no, better talk to Wilhelmina and see if we can keep her on the EIC path.
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I would like to point out that not becoming a wizard is either illegal or means wearing dampeners, and in both cases makes her an attractive target for dark cults. She would be safer joining the collages, even though the collages, at their core, are military institutions.

Also, is her current life happy? She has a lot of stresses and pressures on her right now. Going into education would kick a lot of the responsibilities she's being groomed for further down the road, and when she picks them up she'll be better prepared for them.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Imagine being so 1% that, when you find out you are a wizard, you instantly land an apprenticeship with a Lady Magister because she is friends with your grandmum :V
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this might be a cultural difference, but if I was one of the other students, I would be more annoyed if she had the contact and did not use it for the sake of fairness, than using the advantages she had.
 
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BelligerentGnu said:
Why on earth would "Mathilde is currently too busy with the Waystone Project to take on another serious time commitment", in any way be considered a meta-gaming argument?
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This is why I ran the second part of the issue - frankly, how much time does it take to mentor Eike if Mathilde took her in as a Junior Apprentice, studying within the cirucula of the Grey College under Grey College instructors? My answer to this is likely less than Mathilde has to spend on reading her EIC correspondence, because it's unlikely Mathilde is going to outright invest her personal time instructing Eike within this curriculum as a Junior Apprentice., at the stage of Junior Apprenticeship, with how Apprentices are normally trained.

At this level, much of Mathilde's mentorship likely will be at the level of advising Eike through the curriculum , the teaching of Eike a subject something far more qualified teachers than Mathilde within the Colleges will do, or dropping by the Grey College to check in on Eike whenever Mathilde is around Altdorf , and keeping tabs on Eike's development, all of which she likely does as part of social visits. What sort of big-time sinks do you foresee Mathilde could realistically be forced into making, in such a system, as BoneyM has described? Short of Mathilde choosing the spend time teaching classes in the college itself, not much.
 
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SpaceSloth said:
When did Mathilde ever serve someone that could be called a harsh master or a bigot?
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In Mathilde case she got good people but that might not be the case for Eike in the future due to politics or whatever

NavySeel said:
Ah yes the harsh masters of the Grey order who have ordered Mathilde to do pretty much nothing and let her live whats basically a life of luxury... while also being a massive share holder in the EIC

The Misery of a life so utterly devoid of joy, where she certainly isn't constantly amused by her own jokes and having fun playing with peoples expectations.
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Mathilde's status is different from everyone else and you know it considering how far she had come.

Anyway considering her position in the EIC how long Eike have to stay at the Colleges.
 
Jrin said:
In Mathilde case she got good people but that might not be the case for Eike in the future due to politics or whatever

Mathilde's status is different from everyone else and you know it considering how far she had come.

Anyway considering her position in the EIC how long Eike have to stay at the Colleges.
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Mathilde's position is different right now, but it wasn't when they let her become a Knight and get a fief, or be a founder in a major trade company. The Grey college would look like complete hypocrites if they came down on Eike for that sort of thing.

Eike would be in the college for around 4 or 5 years. Looking at everything Mathilde picked up after that point its hardly preventing her from learning Economics, hell we could even see about letting Wilhelmina keep up correspondence with her for her education.


And yes Mathilde has good people, do you really think we wouldn't give Eike links to those same good people?
 
Jrin said:
Anyway considering her position in the EIC how long Eike have to stay at the Colleges.
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BoneyM said:
Tomcost said:
@BoneyM , if she gpes to the Grey College, how much time is expected to pass until she becomes someone's apprentice?

I ask because an apprentice now is AP hell, but maybe not later
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Apprenticeship
Most would-be Wizards have their magical awakening at 15-20, and it's rare for it to happen outside 10-25. Junior Apprenticeship is developing control over the ability to touch the Winds. For some people this means learning how to reach out and touch it, for others it's learning how to stop. They cannot leave the mono-Wind environment of the Colleges without risking Dhar poisoning. They usually get a Master when they reach regular Apprentice, which is when they start learning how to actually do things with magic instead of learning how not to be killed by magic. Most spend this inside the College, though it can be spent at any College-controlled location, and they still rely on mono-Wind environments for practice and learning. Senior Apprentices have enough control and ability that they can be allowed to leave College property of their own accord. Practically every Senior Apprentice will have a Master, as it's the level when they can pull their weight and properly assist their Master. Some of them join their Master on their missions or get sent on simple assignments, some of them go adventuring on their own, most just use it to explore Altdorf.

So you could start teaching her immediately, you could leave it 3-5 years to take her on at the 'normal' time, or you could get her in 6-10 if Mathilde uses her rank to call dibs.
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So essentially, any time we vote for, between now and 20 turns from now. Three to five years is if we want to go the normal route, as others are saying.
 
Quick question, Gelt isn't around yet right? Not til a few more years unless he got butterflied away.
 
Jrin said:
In Mathilde case she got good people but that might not be the case for Eike in the future due to politics or whatever
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The grey order has been very much hands-off with Mathilde's work as long as we do something for the good of the empire, and since EIC is already an asset of the grey order I really can't see why would Algard get in her way (if she joins the grey order)

And from what we have seen so far it doesn't seem to work differently for other colleges.
 
Jrin said:
In Mathilde case she got good people but that might not be the case for Eike in the future due to politics or whatever
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I kind of always wondered about this:

Thread question: in the future if mathy gets a job that is super important, but the boss is an ass. Would you vote to keep at it until the job is done or dump it as fast as reasonable, or even vote to just quit if it comes up? Fuck the consequences.

personally, I like drama, so I could find the fun working around a shitty boss as long as it was done well. (E.g, an interesting political knife fight/integre balancing act, not just frustrating wall to bang our head against.)
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I kind of always wondered about this:

Thread question: in the future if mathy gets a job that is super important, but the boss is an ass. Would you vote to keep at it until the job is done or dump it as fast as reasonable, or even vote to just quit if it comes up? Fuck the consequences.

personally, I like drama, so I could find the fun working around a shitty boss as long as it was done well. (E.g, an interesting political knife fight/integre balancing act, not just frustrating wall to bang our head against.)
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Depends ow much screen time the boss has, if it is too much I would vote to drop it since it would simply not be fun to read.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I kind of always wondered about this:

Thread question: in the future if mathy gets a job that is super important, but the boss is an ass. Would you vote to keep at it until the job is done or dump it as fast as reasonable, or even vote to just quit if it comes up? Fuck the consequences.

personally, I like drama, so I could find the fun working around a shitty boss as long as it was done well. (E.g, an interesting political knife fight/integre balancing act, not just frustrating wall to bang our head against.)
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Mathilde got dwarf to work well whit humans engineers, wizards and spiders. a shity boss is putty in her hands.
 
By the way, can Mathilde prolong her youth whit jade magic? And if so, how much would it cost?
 
Eisenhelm said:
By the way, can Mathilde prolong her youth whit jade magic? And if so, how much would it cost?
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No, but she doesn't need to. Once Wizards start racking up Arcane Marks, they become less subject to the passage of time. Egrimm pegged Alric's age at no less than 120.

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"He has been around for quite some time," you prompt.

"Oh, yes. He doesn't like his age being talked about, but he can't hide the facts. Let none forget he was Supreme Patriarch during the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, and that means he must have won the position in 2406, so he must have been at least a Lord Magister. I doubt he's any younger than 120. No wonder he needs to hand the reins off every so often."
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Ericwinter said:
Nah, what I want to know is how Kragg feels, and vice versa. I mean, she respects him a lot, and the dude was outright emotional when Eight Peaks got recovered even without a population boost. Vlag... Vlag probably made a mark.
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I expect that he feels somewhat annoyed that he didn't do it. I expect that he does actually have the skills and knowledge if he had been there.
 
I think the Grey Order is not really compatible with "being heir to a major trade empire".

...yes, I know, but there's excuses you make for acquiring one afterwards and there's the requirements to cut ties with your old family and not inherit a trade empire.
 
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