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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Well, this was a deeply charming update. Belegar is imposing and srsface, Kazrik is adorably friendly, and Panoramia is just sweet. I really enjoyed it.

I am pretty certain at this point that Grey is going to win -- in a traditional narrative, it is 100% the thing that would happen at this point -- and I think Grey is a totally reasonable choice from Mathilde's perspective and from Eike's. But jeez, poor Wilhelmina, she never gets anything to go right. Did she piss on a shrine to Ranald when she was younger or something?

Maybe we can sell it to Wilhelmina as "this way Eike is set to inherit from both of us and not just from you."
 
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picklepikkl said:
Well, this was a deeply charming update. Belegar is imposing and srsface, Kazrik is adorably friendly, and Panoramia is just sweet. I really enjoyed it.

I am pretty certain at this point that Grey is going to win -- in a traditional narrative, it is 100% the thing that would happen at this point -- and I think Grey is a totally reasonable choice from Mathilde's perspective and from Eike's. But jeez, poor Wilhelmina, she never gets anything to go right. Did she piss on a shrine to Ranald when she was younger or something?
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Nah, it's just that Ranald really likes Mathilde, but because he's Ranald he has to make somebody else's life difficult in the process of helping her.

Also, yeah, I would totally expect Mathilde to take responsibility for Eike even if this weren't a quest. She's just that kind of person. Also, IIRC Eike is in the exact right age range that the Greys like to grab when they can. It makes a lot of sense.
Tomcost said:
I just want that answered. I want to know how immediate a responsibility would it be to aim to have her as an apprentice.
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I can't even imagine how much AP it would be, but it is noted in the update that we would have "a few years" before worrying about taking her as a personal apprentice. So probably two at least, four or five at most.
 
Really though a lot of people were arguing that we should wait to find an apprentice naturally rather than petitioning the college for one.

Guess what we just found?
 
BoneyM said:
This is probably going to do a lot of damage to Wilhelmina's well-laid plans.
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She is not the only one getting her plans derailed.

King Belegar
an embodiment of Dwarven greatness
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I wonder if Belegar realises just how high esteem Mathilde hold him in.

Ironically he will probably never be a particularly cosmopolitan individual, despite being the driving force behind creating the first truly cosmopolitan Karak.

Karag Rhyn is less accustomed to humans on magical horses riding through their corridors than Karag Nar, so the two of you dismount at the entrance and make your way inside on foot.
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Never going to get accustomed to it with that attitude.

After a few days in the company of the Karak Azul Dwarves, Eike comes back with her hair properly plaited, an elegant axe on her hip, and the aura of soft jingling that you guess to be a chainmail slip.
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Looks like Kazrik promoted himself to 'uncle'.

"As well as a Wizard who works with them who's very special to me."

"The tall golden one?" she guesses.

"No, she's a Jade Wizard."

She thinks about that. "She's a friend of Rhya?"
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Nudge nudge wink wink.

Interesting that an eleven year old heard 'very special to me' and immediately went to 'lovers'. Less surprising that her first pick was the statuesque gold option.

Time passes in silence as you watch the dancing of energies, and with the part of your mind that's not entranced you note that Eike is showing admirable patience while watching what must to her be just a woman standing immobile in an empty field.
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Ha! Perhaps not so boring if she can feel the life dancing.

Shame we missed the Halfling meet and greet. Once again circumstances conspire to marginalise the little folk.
 
NavySeel said:
When has Boney said how much AP an apprentice would take.
For all we know its one a turn or even passive.
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The last I remembered on the Apprentice Issue, which predated even the Boon discussions (wow, it's been months) was BoneyM saying AP should be an irrelevant issue regarding taking an Apprentice, and one should focus on narrative reasons for taking or not taking an apprentice, without recourse to meta-gamey reasons like whether it'd send us into AP Hell influencing these discussions.

@BoneyM , do I recall things correctly here? It's been quite a long while since Apprentices were a serious discussion in the thread.
 
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Angelform said:
I wonder if Belegar realises just how high esteem Mathilde hold him in.
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It'll probably happen about the same time Mathilde realizes just how high esteem Belegar holds her in. Which, after pulling yet another Karak out of her ass and basically single-handedly bringing hope back to the Dwarven race, is probably even more than it was before.

Nah, what I want to know is how Kragg feels, and vice versa. I mean, she respects him a lot, and the dude was outright emotional when Eight Peaks got recovered even without a population boost. Vlag... Vlag probably made a mark.
 
BoneyM said:
What fate, if any, will Mathilde suggest for Eike?
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The material benefits are nebulous and arguable. The interpersonal repercussions are hard to gauge. So I feel this should be about Mathilde's character, what she would want rather than what might be 'optimal'. That being the case… I cannot see her not advocating in favour of magic. Being a Wizard is everything to her and I just can't imagine her trying to convince someone that becoming one isn't a good thing. On the other hand she is a big proponent of the Colleges as a unified whole, rather than distinct factions. She wouldn't try to prejudice someone to pick one wind over another.
So for now:

[ ] Wizard
- [ ] No specific Order
 
I strongly suspect that Eike won't be looking for a master until she's 15-16, and she won't reach Journeywoman status until her early 20's.

Actually, if I remember correctly, most Grey apprentices are around 15-16 when they join; Mathilde and Eike are both a little unusual because of how young they are. Mathilde also started her Journeywomanship years before she was ready, and she was 20 when that happened.

So we have a few years of Eike learning without a master, and from what I can infer Regimand was a little hands off on Mathilde's apprenticeship; she still went to classes, but had the semi-regular one-to-ones with him whenever he was between jobs. When Eike reaches 20, she'll roughly be the same skill level Mathilde was at the start of the quest, not quite ready to do her own thing, but easily good enough to be an assistant to us.

This might sound a bit callous, that we're dictating the future of a girl without her input, but I do feel going Grey and then being her Master is a good move for everyone involved; Wilhelmina gets her heir trained by the collage for free, Mathlide gets to train a wizard in her style, and Eike can safely develop her magic in an environment that's surprisingly flexible about how she chooses to use it and she gets her inheritance as one of the movers and shakers of the world. She's growing up surprisingly privileged, and whilst she might not have much control over that now, she's going to wield a lot of power; magical, economic and political, with only her own morality, her faith and the articles to dictate how she uses them (and that's true no matter what route she takes).
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
She's growing up surprisingly privileged, and whilst she might not have much control over that now, she's going to wield a lot of power; magical, economic and political, with only her own morality, her faith and the articles to dictate how she uses them (and that's true no matter what route she takes).
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If we make her our apprentice we can even get her an introduction to the Empress! Fuck the social order, doing kickflips all over the Empire's nobility.
 
Angelform said:
The material benefits are nebulous and arguable. The interpersonal repercussions are hard to gauge. So I feel this should be about Mathilde's character, what she would want rather than what might be 'optimal'. That being the case… I cannot see her not advocating in favour of magic. Being a Wizard is everything to her and I just can't imagine her trying to convince someone that becoming one isn't a good thing. On the other hand she is a big proponent of the Colleges as a unified whole, rather than distinct factions. She wouldn't try to prejudice someone to pick one wind over another.
So for now:

[ ] Wizard
- [ ] No specific Order
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True but I don't see her not making the offer of being her apprentice.
 
Angelform said:
Interesting that an eleven year old heard 'very special to me' and immediately went to 'lovers'. Less surprising that her first pick was the statuesque gold option.
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Not really, considering how rich she is and looks to become, she probably already has the poor nobility throwing sons at her (9 to 17...gross, but time accurate) and has probably been pulled aside and explained about these things so she doesn't get tricked into anything.

again, gross, but accurate

(and frankly, kids where just more exposed to this stuff, with small homes without walls, street prostitution and' 'inns'... why is the past so gross?)
 
Shane_357 said:
If we make her our apprentice we can even get her an introduction to the Empress! Fuck the social order, doing kickflips all over the Empire's nobility.
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I'll be honest, I really like the idea of setting Eike up to basically be Mandred's Balthasar Gelt. Mathilde's godson and her heir fighting side by side to lead the Empire? Yes please. Also, you know, a Shallya girl and a Ranaldite boy. That's a beautiful friendship in the making.
 
Angelform said:
On the other hand she is a big proponent of the Colleges as a unified whole, rather than distinct factions. She wouldn't try to prejudice someone to pick one wind over another.
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See, I don't personally view it as doing it because they're our Alma Mater.

I see it as us wanting to try and make sure Eike is still looked after properly - This is going to be hard on Mina, and us trying to personally make sure Eike comes out of it all better than she went into it feels like something Matthilde would do.

Edit: That being said, I think Matthilde would absolutely also explain there are other places, and give her the right to refuse the Grey college, but i do think she'd want to personally make sure Eike was okay, especially since she was the one who realised she had Magesight.
Jyn Ryvia said:
(and frankly, kids where just more exposed to this stuff, with small homes without walls, street prostitution and' 'inns'... why is the past so gross?)
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reminder - Eike is a Prostitutes Daughter. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilhemina took her aside for The Talk, only for Eike to already know, even if she didn't fully understand it.
 
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Shane_357 said:
...wow actually we can just sell this entire thing as a way to give Eike our shares of the EIC can't we? Fuck, Wilhelmina would probably be like 'yeah adopt her and give her the knighthood, need that noble catchet'.
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And then Wilhemina adopts us and puts the pieces together. Problem solved :)


Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Godsdamnit Mathilde, can you not reinterpret the articles for five minutes?
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It says so right there "within Sigmar's empire's borders". This is K8P, so it's not a reinterpretation. It's taking the Letter instead of the Spirit. Given the discussion, we're going to send her to the colleges, even if we technically don't have to.
 
IronFist said:
LIt says so right there "within Sigmar's empire's borders". This is K8P, so it's not a reinterpretation. It's taking the Letter instead of the Spirit. Given the discussion, we're going to send her to the colleges, even if we technically don't have to.
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I mean, thT same letter of the law would also mean we can never be in the same room as the girl when in the empire if we did choice not to do anything, otherwise we would be back in the same boat with a lot less rope.
 
Ulgu made her feel uncomfortable, Ghyran seemed to make her serene if anything.

I feel like that's a reason to lean away from Ulgu.
 
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