Karak Vlag lore is 'and then they were slowly murdered/rape in hell for as long as shanash felt like it. The end'.
map ya, it's going to be from scratch.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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map ya, it's going to be from scratch.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
See, where I stand is on giving Eike the right to refuse.
Eike can get a lot of benefits if we choose to apprentice her, in reputation, in the EIC, and in influence and connections. But forcing her into that when it might be a Wind she doesn't like would defeat the purpose of all that.
So, put the Grey college on the table, make sure to be upfront about what Ulgu is all about, make sure to remind her that there are 7 other places that she can choose if she doesn't like what it seems to be about. If she doesn't want to be a Grey, great, still 7 other places to choose. If she does, great, it's somewhere she'll enjoy.
She'd go to the Colleges immediately. A lot of magical awakenings are horror stories, and a lot of new Wizards arrive in Altdorf with traces of soot or blood or worse still on them. Having the first dalliance with the Winds happen in a safe and controlled environment instead is considered desirable by most.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Also, with regards to the 'Sent off to the colleges to learn', we do have something of an unfair advantage in that we have a setup with good, safe Mono-Wind environments here, which satisfies the requirements of "Don't teach them anything unless you're in a mono-wind environment"
That being said, yeah, she definitely has to get the basic training done too, she just has an unfair advantage in that she got caught before her latent talent Did Something, so she's that rare and most desired 'Has never touched Dhar even by accident' apprentice.
That being said, yeah, she definitely has to get the basic training done too, she just has an unfair advantage in that she got caught before her latent talent Did Something, so she's that rare and most desired 'Has never touched Dhar even by accident' apprentice.
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- Earth
A pity Mathilde hasn't taken the apprentice-classes and would have to cobble it together from the memories of her apprenticeship.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
This sounds like a good reason to take the Apprentice Class!
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I don't think anyone is suggesting teaching her the basics, we simply aren't capable of that since we don't have the monowind environment.
Well not one that she could live in comfortably anyway.
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... I wonder if it would be appropriate to bring Eike to the Supreme Wizard duel?
Actually, is it appropriate to bring guests at all, or is it a wizard only affair?
Actually, is it appropriate to bring guests at all, or is it a wizard only affair?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
We got those headpats before Vlag. Afterwards, we got a short conversation from Belegar which mostly focused on our future plans, and nothing from Kragg yet. And while Kragg admitted we played a large part in recovering Eight Peaks—IIRC—there's a very big difference between that and what we did up north.
Fair enough. I just wasn't sure if there was anyone from before they got stolen who might still be alive. But if it's literally just "there was a place here, and now it's not here and instead Slaanesh's personal weekend getaway", then oh well.
I was, and we do, actually. Or at least, I seem to remember Boney saying we could get one made if we felt it necessary. But as with anything I remember, that may be very very wrong.
On the other hand, as was very recently pointed out and confirmed time constraints should not be a concern. Narrative value should be the main factor in deciding, not how much AP we feel we can sacrifice.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
We are not fighting the man who can casually transfor themselves into a not-uggo Dragon
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
We can watch the duel without participating.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
Wait is there a duel happening? Did I miss something?
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I edited my post, we have a room. It would take years for her to learn... keeping her confined like that seems like a good way to breed resentment to me.
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- Singapore
I get the sense that it's very dangerous to assume quest turn mechanics will be the same in next arc, compared to Mathilde's time as loremaster in the EIght Peaks. We have multiple large scale game-changers at play here, from Research Institute, to Library, to Waystone Project to confidently suggest the familiar old five-AP framework (Stirland arc ran on a somewhat different framework) will necessarily fully survive the jump to the next arc. Even Lord Magistership likely puts strains on the old framework of AP/Social actions. I suspect any move to apprentices would be embedded within the mechanics changes, and for this reason, I think it's useless to speculate the impact of AP and the latitude for personal improvement.
But if you do want my take- I suspect taking Eike as Apprentice early on doesn't mean Mathilde personally instructs her in everything, but allows Mathilde to influence what courses Eike studies within the Grey College earlier in her education, before she hits Senior Apprentice, should Eike study at the Grey College in Altdorf (which is the usual course of action). This is likely going be less teaching, but mentoring - we already know a soft framework of what classes Eike could go to, instructed by other Wizards, from earlier self-improvement actions. How much time does it take to advise and mentor someone who is studying within the context of an institution? Probably about as much time Mathilde spends pouring over her EIC correspondence, or less, realistically speaking.
By the time Eike hits Senior Apprentice, per WOG, she is at the point where she could functionally serve as an assistant to Mathilde, so the time Mathilde gives to Eike likely is balanced out by the time Eike gives under Mathilde's service.
And I do find the prospect of Mathilde mentoring someone to be interesting, both from a character development and world-building standpoint - we've got a taste of this with Ducklings. But with the Duckling club obsolete as a mechanic, I suspect the narrative space for Mathilde as mentor opens up for an apprentice, without altering much of the current writing tax.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
...Yes? The Supreme Patriarch duel isn't something that just happens willy nilly whenever someone feels brave or stupid enough. It's a scheduled event for.. I wanna say every eight years? Something like that, where any Wizard Lord has the right to participate, but doesn't have to, and the other—plus a few more Empire notables, if I recall correctly—can watch. The next one is coming up at the end of this turn or the next one, I think.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
Way it was phrased, I thought it was that any Lord could challenge at any time, not that it was a time specific event.
The more ya Know.
Obviously we're not going to participate. But we can observe, it's like, an entire event, and it will be a social option next turn
Every 8 years, the collages have a big t
Edit: wait, just realised both posts were made by the same person. I should read names more. Apologies for the redundancy.
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- Location
- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
The vote for that is - [ ] Let Eike decide. That's the one where Mathilde gives Eike the ability to actually make a choice, and puts the Grey college on the table as an option. If we vote for - [ ] The Grey Order, I fully expect Mathilde and Wilhemina to make Eike's choices for her.
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- Russia
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but isn't Azul a dead end? How can any shipping go through them? Did you mean it the other way around (that all shipping for Azul goes through K8P)?
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Not quite. We're specifically voting for what Mathilde reccommends, not what she decides. It's not even neccesarily just one choice that wins either.
While what we vote now carries obvious weight, we're not deciding Eike's fate here. If she really doesn't want to be a Grey Magister, she won't be.
... I still prefer that we let Eike decide entirely, as this is going to alter the course of the rest of her life and therefore deserves to be entirely her decision, but let's not make this worse than it is.
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- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
Umm, remember the end of the update?
That reads to me like this won't just be a "Hit the thing to get the thing" vote, but rather an overall assessment on how the thread feels about what's a pretty big deal.
I really doubt that, unless it won by a colossal margin, Mathilde would run roughshod over Eikes feelings and free will like that.
IIRC, Azul is on the same part of the silk road as K8P, just further on down. So i think they meant shipping goes through Azul, through K8P, and onto the empire.
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Mathilde was, in fact, 16 at quest-start.
All the shipping from Karak Eight Peaks to Karak Azul always goes through Dwarves of Karak Azul. That's the point that Wilhelmina focused on and Eike learned from her, since it means that trying to get the EIC to handle that trade instead isn't on the table.
No, she was 20.
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Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
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- Colombia
Yep, never mind, I finally caught up with the discussion.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
No? She was twenty. Turn 1 is in 2470 and Mathilde, per her character sheet, was born in 2450.
You may be thinking of the Thorned One, which started pursuing her after an accident when she was fifteen.