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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
that is not better.

Have you met a research head?

Walking caffeine addictions 'this' close to murdering anyone that says 'slowing down', 'not going to meet deadline', not enough funding' etc etc.
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While I agree with your take on modern academia, none of the research Mathilde has done so far in the quest has been anything like this, so I don't really see it suddenly becoming a thing just because we choose the waystone project.
 
RedJesterdancing said:
Hi everyone, long time lurker finally getting an account to vote instead of just watching!

But I just want to know if that's ok? I know some sites don't let you post and this kind of thread for a while.

Is that a rule in SV?
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I hear some QMs require more for one to start voting, but for this quest, as long as you have read every main story threadmark, you can vote, and as long as you have read the FAQ and important information tabs too, you can argue without fear (you can technically argue without reading them, but... it will bog the thread down if it overlaps)
 
Kornet said:
It shouldn't. There is no such thing as completley democratic voting as long as yoiu have more than 1 voter. Each method has its deficiencies.
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Go ask a political scientist what they think about using FPTP in a situation where four options are in a statistical tie. "All methods are bad, actually" won't be their answer even if you wait till the screaming stops.

picklepikkl said:
A job that's kind of hard to walk away from because reaching a point of "done" seems unlikely
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Did the Mathilde's first job or her gig as the Loremaster of 2.5 (iirc) Peaks have a natural, predefined end point? I honestly don't get such a long-term view at all. Mathilde is a protagonist, the voters love risky stuff and BoneyM has shown that he is both very fond of d100s and fearless when it comes to rolling them. Already worrying about the job after the next one just feels foolish.
 
silentorphan said:
What do you mean, ignore the nation-building? As Markgraf, she's supposed to lay the infrastructure and power bases so that Sylvania will be able to repel the vamps without Mathilde's help after she leaves. Unless you plan for Mathilde to permanently settle there for the rest of her life.
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Yes that counts as vampire squishing actions (except at the start when the most actions will need to be done). But Mathilde will have Counts and possibly Knightly Orders doing that and she just needs to make sure they do do that and she can wave off their taxes so they have funds to do it. We don't need to turn it into some self-sufficient rich place (or even middle class honestly). Sylvania is a part of Stirland so us taking care of Sylvania by squashing vamps, building fortifications and roads in our direct fiefs and ensuring our counts do the same in theirs, lets Stirland get on its feet so that a decade or two down the line, Stirland can start sending funds and manpower to garrison all the forts and the like.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
While i don't think Markgraf will be without is't pressures.

I think people are underselling the amount of responsibility Waystones has.

I remember my dissertation, if you're not showing results, or not showing them fast enough, or even looking like your not taking the project seriously, the grant and money go out the window and the investors and interested party start really getting in your face.

(well, ok, That was more the case for my Engineer friends, Low-cost social/political, I basically never paid for anything, research for the win!)

if its free time you want... it really is the Bodyguard job.
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Maybe. It depends on who backs us and how. Boney said that deciding that is literally the first thing we'd do with the job.
picklepikkl said:
@BoneyM, do we know whose budget we'd be billing if we opt for Waystone, or is that one of the first decisions we'd be making on the project, per the bit about how "The exact details of how a position will work will be negotiated with whoever oversees it once a decision is made"?
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BoneyM said:
First decision.
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I imagine Belegar would be extremely chill about showing results quickly, other dwarves (Thorgrim?) would be slightly less chill ("don't do a shoddy job, but it takes as long as it takes"), the Colleges significantly less chill (thinking in shorter timeframes than dwarves), and elves a complete mystery because who fucking knows with Eonir.
Darth. said:
Sylvania you ride around squashing vampires, go back home and do research/whatever you want with the remaining actions. And that's without using a personal action.
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I really don't understand why you believe that "the effective ruler of half a province with a deep-rooted vampire and necromancer problem" is a job that can be done with a bit of murderhoboing in between other projects.
BoneyM said:
I'd make it clear to whoever becomes the Barons and Counts that they're to follow your lead and if there's any that I'm even a little unsure of I'll leave you with signed arrest orders for them, just in case. Your main priority is rooting out the remaining Vampires and Necromancers, and I'm sure there'd be plenty. We'll be levying taxes right from the start because it'll give us justification for digging through financials, but they'd be nominal and you'll have broad powers to waive them wherever necessary to secure cooperation.
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Here's the part where Rosie mentions that we're wrangling nobility and digging through financial records.
BoneyM said:
There's going to be true believer Vampire Cultists out there, whether or not there's any Vampires left to pull their strings. Those in power lived very comfortably in Sylvania when they were able to pay their taxes in other peoples' blood, and they won't give that up without a fight, and it's going to be the sort of fight fought by Witch Hunters and Grey Wizards, not the sort fought by the Army of Stirland.
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Here's the part where she mentions there will be conspiracies to root out.
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She leans back in her chair and sighs. "There's never been any sort of success trying to ram Sigmar down the throat of the Sylvanians, though I've been hearing from plenty who are eager to make another attempt. So, Rhya maybe? Verena? Myrmidia? Kasmir has some ideas involving old local Gods, and truth be told I don't care who they pray to as long as it's not a Vampire or a forbidden God - I'm sure there'll be plenty rushing to fill any vacuum."
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Here's the part where she mentions we need to instill religion in the conquered populace, a task which is famously easily done.

Like, don't get me wrong. This sounds awesome. But it also sounds like a ton of work, and much of it is going to be done by wielding organizational power: the state, the EIC, holy orders, and so on. Not just by Mathilde getting a Dammerlichtreitersignal every six months, clearing out a den of cultists, and heading home for an early lunch and to give Wolf tummy rubs.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
While i don't think Markgraf will be without is't pressures.

I think people are underselling the amount of responsibility Waystones has.

I remember my dissertation, if you're not showing results, or not showing them fast enough, or even looking like your not taking the project seriously, the grant and money go out the window and the investors and interested party start really getting in your face.

(well, ok, That was more the case for my Engineer friends, Low-cost social/political, I basically never paid for anything, research for the win!)

if its free time you want... it really is the Bodyguard job.

edit: Heidi literally used 'free time' as a selling point.
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I think that you are basing the waystone research too much on your IRL experiences. Two out of three main contributors that we would start with are long lived races that we know can spend decades researching and the result will be called rushed by their colleagues.
 
Darth. said:
Yes that counts as vampire squishing actions (except at the start when the most actions will need to be done). But Mathilde will have Counts and possibly Knightly Orders doing that and she just needs to make sure they do do that and she can wave off their taxes so they have funds to do it. We don't need to turn it into some self-sufficient rich place (or even middle class honestly). Sylvania is a part of Stirland so us taking care of Sylvania by squashing vamps, building fortifications and roads in our direct fiefs and ensuring our counts do the same in theirs, lets Stirland get on its feet so that a decade or two down the line, Stirland can start sending funds and manpower to garrison all the forts and the like.
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I don't understand this argument. That sounds like nation building to me, and half-assing it seems like a way to make sure it doesn't work.
 
SpaceSloth said:
Two out of three main contributors that we would start with are long lived races that we know can spend decades researching and the result will be called rushed by their colleagues.
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This isn't convincing me to vote Waystones more at all. It is in fact the exact reason I want to put it off because it is more of an endgame thing.
 
I really don't want the Edgelord position, it seems to political and too permanent, it's putting out fires and Sylvania is always going to be on fire, in fact I feel like the best way to help Sylvania would be to do the Waystones research.
 
Kornet said:
It shouldn't. There is no such thing as completley democratic voting as long as yoiu have more than 1 voter. Each method has its deficiencies.
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Proportional Representation single transferable vote (PR-STV) is great.

As long as you have a voting group smaller than 9-10 million.

so I think a quest will be fine.
 
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[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

Honestly, I'm fine with any option that involves staying in one place and doing administrative and political things and almost never going beyond the borders of a province.
 
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
Thinking about things more and more I've come to realize I actually prefer this one and was kind if holding into the Waystone option as it was my preferred choice previously.
 
And going back. Voting for second best options collectively means that there's no chance at my favorite option.

[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
 
If we pick Markgraf we get to loot all the cool vampire places and make the Dämmerlichtreiter legend grow!

Could also do something similar to Algards towers with her fief - Mathilde's Mansion of gambling and if an Agent of Excess tries to subvert it they'll find the dice are loaded. 😁

(Then we can finally see if Ranald enjoys daemon sacrificed!)
 
Thomasfoolery said:
Disappointment will probably fade quickly for most people, it's like when we left Karag Dum, for the most part after the vote was done and there was new stuff to focus on it was relatively easy to move past the bitterness of a loss.
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The thing is that a lot of that bitterness dying down comes from the fact that they know that we could eventually get the answer to Dum. Outside of Waystones none of these options are likely to come back and we will be losing out the chance forever.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
first creating and then using the 'Twilight Rider' spell to chase down the Von Carstein, going full The Dämmerlichtreiter with a crew of 3-9 shadowy hunters of the dark....
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You honestly expect us to have any freetime time whatsoever?

Roswita is expecting us to effectively take over her campaign. This position is all governing all the time. This is us running a campaign of military occupation and nationbuilding. It would be irresponsible in the extreme to take any time for pie-in-the-sky personal projects.
 
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I will point out that Sylvania borders the worlds edge mountains which means dwarf interactions will still be fairly common even ignorig the idea of gyrocoptering back to eight peaks. Every so often.
 
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