Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Awww, Bodyguard in fourth!? Looks like sleeping didn't work this time, that's disappointing.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I think that's a function of the way the quest is written and unlikely to change regardless of which job we take.
There's a lot of strategic approval voting going on because people have preferences between the top 4, and so as different votes pull ahead, they drop or add approval votes for other options.
It really bums me out that for all four leading options, I've seen thread regulars who I value greatly express serious disdain for each. I'm a huge goddamn carebear at heart, and situations where it is literally impossible to satisfy everyone's preferences are just very dispiriting.
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- Location
- Canada
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
Disappointment will probably fade quickly for most people, it's like when we left Karag Dum, for the most part after the vote was done and there was new stuff to focus on it was relatively easy to move past the bitterness of a loss.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Well, yes, and so people voting to stay in Karak Eight Peaks because they don't want to miss out on our friends... are doing so despite the fact that we will not be missing out on out friends, at all. That was my point.
Yeah, that's the nature of the thing I guess.
If I thought that staying in Karak Eight Peaks wouldn't lead to us calcifying in place there making leaving less and less likely (which would mean impossible, given that it would have won this vote) I wouldn't be nearly so leery of it.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Yeah. It's become abundantly clear that there is very little agreement about what the participants actually want out of this quest.
epescially when it seems people are voting fro stuff just to make another choice not win and not because they like it the most
- Location
- Space
[x] The Waystone Project
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
I'll note for any Roswita stans, while Waystones probably wouldn't have as much of her as Edgelord, she still quite likely would be involved. We'd want to put our new waystones someplace which is both well defended enough to be safe for the valuable magic users and sufficiently full of magic to do a lot of good very quickly. Sylvania fits the bill.
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
I'll note for any Roswita stans, while Waystones probably wouldn't have as much of her as Edgelord, she still quite likely would be involved. We'd want to put our new waystones someplace which is both well defended enough to be safe for the valuable magic users and sufficiently full of magic to do a lot of good very quickly. Sylvania fits the bill.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I wouldn't go quite that far - I'd say there's very little agreement about how participants can get what they want out of this quest, which isn't so dire.
I can't speak to everyone, but ultimately that's why I'm not getting too upset about this - BoneyM has shown that he'll write content I like pretty much no matter what. I don't mean that as generic praise, either, but rather: BoneyM has shown a focus on characterization and a willingness to have people and systems behave in ways that read as 'real' to me that I'm willing to follow this quest where ever it goes. None of the options available are going to change the inherent function and style of the quest.
I have noticed myself slightly turning against options I was previously only neutral about, just because certain proponents make arguments I consider repeatedly disproven or in bad faith, but that's a bias I'm actively trying to notice and stamp out. It's certainly not fair. Those options aren't going to be any less entertaining just because someone annoyed me on the internet.
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Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Truly, the title drop of Divided
The goal of the Waystones Project is to find out how to tweak existing Waystones, recreating them from scratch and building them in Sylvania is basically a distant pipe-dream right now, so Roswita doesn't really factor into that.
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well, dont worry about me, while I disdain the loremaster vote, and am vocal about it.
that's more that I'm an ass and proud of it, I actually enjoy the fight.
or more simply = 🍿
(I admit that this is the first time I've gotten frustrated with a vote, but if loremaster wins I'll just take a break then come back again to lobby the thread back to the empire.)
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
That's assuming we actually create new Waystones. Repairing old ones seems plenty ambitious for the moment, chickens and egg counting and all that.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I am curious about your voting preferences. What makes you interested in Count but not Markgraf. Don't take this as a criticism, it's really just pure curiosity.
Your comment is not exactly that, but I have seen multiple people say how they find it "poetic" that Mathilde is coming "full circle" or something along those lines. All I can think when I see that is that I really really hope that the next chapter isn't going to be the last major chapter of her life and that if people agree with me and Ranald smiles upon our dice during life and death situations then "Mathilde started under a Van Hal facing Stirland, then she went on Dwarf adventures, then she returned to facing Sylvania under a Van Hal, then [NEXT CHAPTER], and then [NEXT CHAPTER], and then..." is much less poetic.
Like, I am not voting for Waystones either, but exactly what did we do with Waystones that you found uninteresting? All I can think of is a conversation with some Elf spirit thing, a couple conversations full of anger-fueled speculation with Belegar, watching Panpan do fancy sexy shit and saving Karak Vlag. Which of those bored you?
Share your reactions to cool moments with us. Blasts from the past are always fun.
Why is he trying to hit a Warpstone with that ball?
That's not the only difference. It means that the territory we are actually responsible for is much smaller. It means that there will be someone else in the Markgraf role and that, while our reputation and relationship to the EC exempts us from having said Markgraf be our direct superior, we'd still have many requests coming from him for taxes, men and personal expertise and it would be bad for our image to refuse too often. Finally it means that we don't get to push the other counts and barons around without relying purely on our own force of personality since we'd be their equals in the eye of the law.
Arguments could also be made that we wouldn't a full Council for the Count job. Yes, Sylvania is different from Western Stirland, but does Baron Anton even have more than two or three advisors? Did "Gabriella" have any?
I'm not quite sure how Belegar imagines that would go. "Hey guys. I'm sending you help in the form of your own hero that came from you to help me. You should be grateful to me because she's doing it on my payroll. What do you mean "Vow of Poverty"?
What does antinatalism have to do with the Stirland jobs?
We actually know next to nothing about that guy. He disliked one of his three sons enough to disinherit him, maybe for an understandable reason, even if Mathilde and the thread does like Ulthar. Then his two other sons killed each other and all the Dwarves blame the father. Then he goes through a lot of hoops that Dwarven propriety forces upon him to re-inherit his third son because the alternative would quite frankly be bad for his Hold. But those hoops aren't enough to Dwarf society, which now pressures him to "commit suicide already".
I for one am withholding judgement until we actually meet the guy.
They can unvote them later.
I don't know if it helps, but all of the top five options are either tier 1 or tier 2 in my preference list.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMM!!!!
Reparing a waystone that has stopped functioning due to dhar build up may be more possible than building a new one from scratch though.
It's just that getting a boyfriend ... and marrying, has a significant chance of a large percentage of questers trying to turn the quest into a dynasty thing. Especially if the boyfriend is the damn Elector Count.
In short, it's what other questers are complaining about Dwarfs, but worse, because it's not Dwarfs. If Abelheim had survived, we'd still be hunting vampires in Stirland to this day in between rescuing family from vampires etc etc etc. That was my fear.
In short, it's what other questers are complaining about Dwarfs, but worse, because it's not Dwarfs. If Abelheim had survived, we'd still be hunting vampires in Stirland to this day in between rescuing family from vampires etc etc etc. That was my fear.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Sylvania's got a few broken ones that would benefit greatly. Healing the land is still something to aim for.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
I'll go into this more. So we have done a lot for the dwarves and a lot for Stirland. And while Waystones are fun, we don't owe research of them to anyone, and we can do it later, once out of debt. In contrast, we owe Ranald a whole lot. He saved us from Khorne, actually going head to head with a chaos god for the first time. And then, through Heidi he asks us for two bits of help, both aimed at the end goal of "help me be legitimate". If a friend who just saved your life asks for a favor, you sorta owe him that favor back. Same if you view Ranald more as a god who just did a big favor for you.
We seem to treat Ranald somewhat for granted, when we actually have a uniquely close relationship with him, and we don't explore this nearly enough. People are complaining about how little we research, but what about how little we hang out with our closest friend? The last thing we did for our friend was build a shrine (not even an AP), and before that was years ago, before the battle for the Caldera, where we built a Temple. Yes, we did funnel energy to him, but he gave us a coin, so that's even, and that was even longer ago.
We desperately owe Ranald a lot, so making sure that his anointed kid becomes emperor seems like a solid way to pay him back.
We seem to treat Ranald somewhat for granted, when we actually have a uniquely close relationship with him, and we don't explore this nearly enough. People are complaining about how little we research, but what about how little we hang out with our closest friend? The last thing we did for our friend was build a shrine (not even an AP), and before that was years ago, before the battle for the Caldera, where we built a Temple. Yes, we did funnel energy to him, but he gave us a coin, so that's even, and that was even longer ago.
We desperately owe Ranald a lot, so making sure that his anointed kid becomes emperor seems like a solid way to pay him back.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
This is an objectively hilarious way to describe our involvement with Waystones so far.
"Hey, here's dwarf support for tunnel fighting, and also my Loremaster, who is one of your wizards but whom my men trust implicitly and who has commanded victories against the skaven in the past, for the sake of coordination."
this is one of the reasons that i want to do the Bodyguard so bad, cause Ranals has done so much for us and everyone just seems to ignore him PLUS people just seem to think that the royal family will be fine if we dont help out now. I mean QMs entire description of the situation sounds like their hanging on by a thread and it would take relatively little to help them and prevent something from happening and then going and doing everything else everyone wants to do with Royal permission.
I mean the Queen and Ranald are asking us to do a little bit of preventative maintenance before going out to do whatever and people are jus brushing it off as unimportant when it would be a couple of turns setting up bodyguards before going to do Sylvania Vampire purge, Nuln Rat purge, Dwarf diplomacy, and other regional problems
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