Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I completely agree. The only thing that may change this is if he gets killed before he becomes the emperor or Lutipold dying while he's still a child, which is what Heidi wants to prevent.
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- Texas
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Worth pointing out, that sort of setup is also perfect for fostering conceit and arrogance. Again, this isn't me saying he will turn out that way, just that it's possible.
Also, to clarify my position: I'm by no measure against Mandred being Emperor. But I'm also not for it, simply because he's too young and unproven for us to have even the faintest clue how good he'd be at the job, or whether he'd be better than any of the currently existing Electors.
I've just got into thinking. If Heidi could get Shallians to make her younger and prolong her lifespan by several decades or even a century - why don't nobility do just that. Or why there is no immortal or at least 200 years old Emperor yet (one like Magnus would be great I suppose).
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- He/Him
[x] The Waystone Project
[X] Nagarythe
[X] Nagarythe
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Every second the Eonir don't have the a waystones we're planning on repairing or creating is another second Chaos grows in power more than it would have other wise.
To me the argument that the Waystone project will still be there later reads like saying you shouldn't patch a hole in a boat because it will still be there later.
Sure it might not be immediately dangerous but...
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- Finland
I would hope that Heidi is smart enough to keep the kids feet on the ground (and Mathilde will definitely try to do that if we pick it), and Ranald is generally not in favour of arrogent and conceited rulers.
Point of bodyguard position is not just making sure Mandred becomes and emperor, but also making sure he will be a good one.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Because Shallya needs to really, really, like you to do it for you. And gods and goddesses tend to be a bit harder to bribe than humans.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
- Location
- Tusita Heaven
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
"We all dance to the subtle tune played byEldrad BoneyM."
So let's take this rare chance when he lets us pick the next song, shall we?
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
"We all dance to the subtle tune played by
So let's take this rare chance when he lets us pick the next song, shall we?
Ivan the Not-so-Terrible
AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE
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- Mikonyan’s USSR
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] The Waystone Project
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- Germany
I think for me the Waystone project is one of my least favorites (though I still wouldn't complain), simply because it doesn't play to Mathilde's personal skills or inclinations.
The majority of the job will be coordination, her personal learning and research can only come into play in the later stages and even then matter comparativly little next to whatever experts on these things we could gather from Elves, Dwarfs and Colleges.
It's so indirect that I'd rather get my research-jollies by working on some nice items and papers in our free time next to another job, rather than playing coordinator for a research-project beyond our personal abilities.
The majority of the job will be coordination, her personal learning and research can only come into play in the later stages and even then matter comparativly little next to whatever experts on these things we could gather from Elves, Dwarfs and Colleges.
It's so indirect that I'd rather get my research-jollies by working on some nice items and papers in our free time next to another job, rather than playing coordinator for a research-project beyond our personal abilities.
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- He
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Research Sabbatical
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Research Sabbatical
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- Finland
We should not patch the hole because the pumps are working fine for now and the boat is not sinking that fast, but the engine room is on fire and there's a kraken on the deck.
It's just what people think as the most time sensitive fire.
That said "do this or the world ends" is kinda poor argument because we should not be trying to shoulder the whole world, what is interesting to each voter should take precedence.
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Which is a pretty decent character testimony on Heidi.
If it was easy to ge youth miracles, everyone would be doing it.
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The Cult of Shallya doesn't publicly acknowledge the possibility, and after a few of the more exotic pretenders to the Imperial throne and Kislev having a Tzarina that reigned for 156 years, people are unlikely to react well to an ageless ruler. And the Tsarevich Pavel Society exists entirely to oppose that possibility.
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- Earth
What speaks against having a Research Institute in Sylvania? It comes with plenty of wizards which tend to be decent combatants
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- Norway
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
Typo? I think you meant "banged".
Dragomas can turn into a Cathayan dragon: "like an elongated lizard with a moustache, or, yes, like a scaled ferret, and despite its lack of wings it floats through the air with the ease of an eel through the water." Which I find strongly suggestive but not explicitly stated.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
But, the default state of the Empire is exactly the scenario of "rich, powerful people ignoring threats in favor of internal bickering"?
Case in point:
- Nordland bickering with Middenland over land rights and religious worship.
- Talabecland bickering with Ostermark over the new Dwarven Canal, buying peat from Vampires, etc.
- Most Stirlandian Nobility holds a grudge against the Moot with simmering revanchist sentiment to retake such fertile land.
- Reikland and Wissenland maintain unhealthy rivalries against each other, resulting in Nuln rejecting any help fighting Skaven and now stuck with a problem.
- Marienburg blockading riverine trade out of greed.
Mathilde would be going out to solve all this infighting, not participate in it. It may feature inane political squabbling and maneuvering but that's because it's a work-in-progress untangling the accumulated inertia. If you wanted to reduce this sort of behavior, becoming Mandred's Tutor is a direct solution/cure VS. hoping other Lord Magisters pick up the slack.
Mandred becoming Emperor is not the point, Imperial stability is. We see how disunited the provinces currently are and it would become even worse if the Imperial Succession is unclear. Beyond that, mentoring Mandred as a potential Emperor candidate and instilling proper morals/values should always be considered important.
And he's still going to become Reikland's Elector Count at a minimum, leading the most powerful province in the Empire. Missing this opportunity would mean leaving it up to chance for him to grow into an incompetent, unscrupulous, or simply average leader. Tutoring Mandred is future-proofing the Empire in the long-term by cultivating the next generation.
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