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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
PR-STV don't have a single winner? most of the time 3 seats are split up in the voting group.

STV is only in the case of when there isn't enough spread of votes to fill each seat Reprsetivaly: so overfill from the winner and the votes of the lowest get redistributed to the 2nd pick.

and if there are seats left, both the overfill and the lowest voted gets their votes redistributed to the 3rd pick.

the fact you even said that says you don't know what PR-STV is.
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But here, in this vote, we have a single seat to ditribute, that's my point.
 
SurpriseMe said:
Roswita explicitly laid out that she wouldn't be surprised if it took us multiple lifetimes to finish her job. If you don't want to do waystones for that reason, I can't see why you'd want to do Sylvania.
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Because we know for a fact Waystones will take a long time and Sylvania not so much. Especially since we could hand it off in 10-15 years and move on, leaving the province much improved and manageable for our successor.
 
Valarauko said:
We're the military governor. There's no reason to bother wasting time on something so useless when the effort could be better spent planning the campaign or negotiating with knightly orders or a (boo-hiss) building up infrastructure to get the people on-side rather than doing R&D on something that improves our own personal killiness.
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It's something that improves the killiness of every Grey Magister in the empire.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
- For anyone interested in Becoming Matriarch of the Grey order one day. Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
and Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred would be amazing on the CV.
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Disagree with this, too.
I strongly feel that the official title- bodyguard and tutor to a child prince, not even the Emperor- is well beneath us as a Lord Magister.
Sure, it'd be a prestigious position for an Altdorf professor or a veteran Greatsword officer, not for a wizard who can pull a Karak out of the Warp and who thumbs her nose at major destruction Gods at least once a decade.
 
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Alliterate said:
Disagree with this, too.
I strongly feel that the official title- bodyguard and tutor to a child prince- is well beneath us as a Lord Magister.
Sure, It'd be a prestigious position for an Altdorf professor or a veteran Greatsword officer, not for a wizard who can pull a Karak out of the Warp and who thumbs her nose at major evil Gods at least once a decade.
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What are you talking about? Bodyguard is a position with direct influence over the upbringing of the Emperor's heir, it's an incredibly influential and coveted position within the context of Imperial Politics. It's setting up a Wizard-friendly Emperor the same way Thyrus Gormann was Karl Franz's right-hand man in canon. Wizards are not normally entrusted with such positions unless their reputation and connections have reached Patriarch/Matriarch levels. Mathilde is getting a short-cut because of Heidi helping.
 
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SeptimusMagisto said:
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

Honestly, I'm fine with any option that involves staying in one place and doing administrative and political things and almost never going beyond the borders of a province.
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Heads up: if what you want is "staying in one place and doing administrative and political things and almost never going beyond the borders of a province," you should not be voting for Bodyguard. We wouldn't be doing admin work, we'd be running around from province to province helping out the Elector-Counts:
BoneyM said:
"Nothing drastic. Just the right conversations with the right people, and maybe the right favours to secure the right allies. Everyone has outstanding bugbears that need slaying, they always do. Middenland and Nordland have each other, Wissenland has the rats, Stirland has Sylvania, Ostermark has Mordheim, you get the picture. Hopefully it will all be wasted effort and Luitpold will live to see Mandred grow up to be a dashing young man, but if it isn't, then I - and our mutual friend - would be very much in your debt."
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Markgraf of Eastern Stirland has what you want, though.
NavySeel said:
I will point out that Sylvania borders the worlds edge mountains which means dwarf interactions will still be fairly common even ignorig the idea of gyrocoptering back to eight peaks. Every so often.
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Yeah; Zhufbar is right next door and Karak Kadrin isn't that much farther.
Darth. said:
That's my point though. We could spend a lifetime on Waystones and not finish it. That's why I want to do other stuff first.
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Define "finish." Because a lot of people in this thread have invented goals for Waystones, like "learn to make new ones" or "repair all the ones in Sylvania" or so on. But those are invented goals. The explicit goal of the project is this one:
BoneyM said:
We've got our own piece of the network just as the Dwarves do, and if we could bring a few more Waystones online, it could do a lot of good for us - and our friends and allies.
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The Eonir want to bring some waystones that are currently offline back online, like what we did (accidentally) in Karak Eight Peaks.
BoneyM said:
"I'd recommend you bring yourself up to speed, then. Assuming you have the time, which none of us ever do. Not that we know a whole lot about the Waystones - the Ulthuani have always been cagey about them, even Teclis only taught us as much as he needed to for us to repair any blockages we encounter. Run the idea past anyone in the Karaz Ankor you think might be amenable, and if that doesn't work - anyone else, I'd say 'when that doesn't work', but you seem to have a knack for the Dwarves - then we'll try to step in and make it a College-Eonir project. But make sure you don't make any promises on behalf of the Eonir. They have the same act of smug superiority as Ulthuan, but they don't have the Tower of Hoeth in their back pocket and there's no way to tell how much knowledge they had in the first place and how much they've retained in the millennia since their independence." He tuts, rapping his fingers on his desk distractedly. "Waystones. On one hand I'm furious that Ulthuan never told us it could be so easily tapped into and put to use, as the Eonir seem to be implying. But on the other, I shudder to think how much damage every Journeyman with more ambition than sense would cause if they had an idea that playing with henges and leylines could get them limitless power."
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And Algard wants to learn how we can tap the Waystones to power magical things.

That's it. That's the scope that has been established in actual quest updates. Everything else is the thread being the thread and naming its chickens before it even has eggs. And I think that's a super achievable scope.
Retrueno said:
I wonder if there'll be a runoff between the first 2-4 top choices considering how extremely close they're.
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No:
BoneyM said:
No, the winner will be the one with the most votes when voting closes, and that's the end of it.
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BoneyM said:
No. There will be no sort of extra content or 'better' selection method that comes out of a prolonged tie. This is it.
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Resonant said:
What are you talking about? Bodyguard is a position with direct influence over the upbringing of the Emperor's heir, it's an incredibly influential and coveted position within the context of Imperial Politics. It's setting up a Wizard-friendly Emperor the same way Thyrus Gormann was Karl Franz's right-hand man in canon.
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Also Bodyguard could be better described as Secret Agent since we aren't just standing around behind a kid.
 
Darth. said:
That's my point though. We could spend a lifetime on Waystones and not finish it. That's why I want to do other stuff first.
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Before I say anything else, I'm going to say, don't worry about responding to me - again the vote will be open for probably a few days at least, and you've already mentioned it being late/early where you are, go get some sleep. Silly internet arguments are not worth exhaustion. That said...

I'm... so is the Markgraf? Like, Roswita explicitly brings up the notion of reporting to her grandchildren.

Really none of the options presented to us have any sort of baked in end-by date, their termination is decided entirely by the quest itself.

Maybe the Waystone project ends up spanning the rest of the quest, maybe it doesn't (if it gets chosen)... maybe being Markgraf of Eastern Stirland does, or maybe it doesn't. Or maybe Mathildes goes to swamp Town and dies. Or she doesn't. It'll all be up to our choices as voters and if ever the thread starts losing interest in the narrative I'm sure BoneyM will find some way to shake things up and offer new opportunities.
 
Darth. said:
Because we know for a fact Waystones will take a long time and Sylvania not so much. Especially since we could hand it off in 10-15 years and move on, leaving the province much improved and manageable for our successor.
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The thing is, we know neither of those for a fact. Both of them are filled with unknowns on either the state of the combined waystone knowledge of the world or the state of the combined amount of vampires/cultists/gribblies in the province.

You can argue that we might he able to hand off Sylvania easier, but that doesn't mean that the work itself is going to be quicker or easier than waystone collaboration.
 
Kornet said:
But here, in this vote, we have a single seat to ditribute, that's my point.
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' There is no such thing as completley democratic voting as long as yoiu have more than 1 voter. '

I thought that this was a border statement.

so I countered with PR-STV, which is in political theory, the hands-down best method for a democratic vote. (just that it gets really slow and hard to count at above 9-10 million.
 
NavySeel said:
It's something that improves the killiness of every Grey Magister in the empire.
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Killiness is not what is necessary. Nation-building is the key. Getting local nobles on-side and convincing them not to pay their taxes in other peoples' blood is the important thing. Rooting out the vampiric power structures is the important thing. Building up a presence of Imperial institutions to consolidate the reclamation is the important thing. Developing a spell doesn't advance any of those goals.
 
Tactical vote adjustment. I lost my past voting post so new one.

I prefer loremaster, but if that isn't going to win Waystones it is, for me. Markgraf is fine but... not really my preference.

[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
 
My biggest problem with Sylvania is that, to me, it feels like backtracking. We've done the Stirland and Sylvania stuff, and turning back around to go back there just feels wrong instead of moving on. Not exactly a logical position, since it is something new, but there is it. Waystones and Bodyguard both feel fresh and new to me.
 
Resonant said:
What are you talking about? Bodyguard is a position with direct influence over the upbringing of the Emperor's heir, it's an incredibly influential and coveted position within the context of Imperial Politics. It's setting up a Wizard-friendly Emperor the same way Thyrus Gormann was Karl Franz's right-hand man in canon. Wizards are not normally entrusted with such positions unless their reputation and connections have reached Patriarch/Matriarch levels. Mathilde is getting a short-cut because of Heidi helping.
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I read the- official, titled- position completely differently, it's more insulting to offer a Lord Magister than the Swamp Town formality.
 
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picklepikkl said:
Maybe. It depends on who backs us and how. Boney said that deciding that is literally the first thing we'd do with the job.


I imagine Belegar would be extremely chill about showing results quickly, other dwarves (Thorgrim?) would be slightly less chill ("don't do a shoddy job, but it takes as long as it takes"), the Colleges significantly less chill (thinking in shorter timeframes than dwarves), and elves a complete mystery because who fucking knows with Eonir.

I really don't understand why you believe that "the effective ruler of half a province with a deep-rooted vampire and necromancer problem" is a job that can be done with a bit of murderhoboing in between other projects.

Here's the part where Rosie mentions that we're wrangling nobility and digging through financial records.

Here's the part where she mentions there will be conspiracies to root out.

Here's the part where she mentions we need to instill religion in the conquered populace, a task which is famously easily done.

Like, don't get me wrong. This sounds awesome. But it also sounds like a ton of work, and much of it is going to be done by wielding organizational power: the state, the EIC, holy orders, and so on. Not just by Mathilde getting a Dammerlichtreitersignal every six months, clearing out a den of cultists, and heading home for an early lunch and to give Wolf tummy rubs.
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Adding onto this, Roswita has already been spending years focusing all her effort on pounding Sylvania into the ground, whilst simultaneously the Battle Wizards of the Empire have been cleaning the place, Mathilde going around hunting vampires because there's no one else to do it is one of the last problems the place will have (though admittedly Mathilde is probably good enough at it in certain ways that such efforts on her part might be useful on occasion).
 
Tylonius said:
My biggest problem with Sylvania is that, to me, it feels like backtracking. We've done the Stirland and Sylvania stuff, and turning back around to go back there just feels wrong instead of moving on. Not exactly a logical position, since it is something new, but there is it. Waystones and Bodyguard both feel fresh and new to me.
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I mean, that's my argument with loremaster, just not so much backtracking as standing still.

And I got my head bit off for saying it.
 
If Sylvania wins, I'm going to push hard to spend one of our trait points on removing Disdain for Sigmar. Markgraf is a hard enough job that we'd want every advantage we could get. Smooth cooperation with the Witch Hunters and not shooting ourselves in the foot religiously with the Empire's dominant religion will be a big part of that. And yes, Roswita said we didn't have to install Sigmar as the dominant religion, but that doesn't mean our trait still won't cause us issues.

BoneyM said that we've never tested the limits for how the Disdain for Sigmar trait functionally works. I don't want to limit-test the trait while leading Sylvania.
 
Byzantine said:
Tactical vote adjustment. I lost my past voting post so new one.

I prefer loremaster, but if that isn't going to win Waystones it is, for me. Markgraf is fine but... not really my preference.

[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
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...not that I'm going to object to you supporting my two favorite options, but, um. Didn't you say yesterday that you were checking out of the thread for your own peace of mind and that someone should DM you when it was all over?

If you can't tear yourself away, I sympathize, I really do. I'm prone to that sort of thing myself. Just, you know, take care of yourself if you find that this is really getting to you.
 
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