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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Darth. said:
Here's the thing. Heidi literally told us we'd have to accrue favours with the Elector-Counts to secure votes by trouble-shooting for them. She specifically mentioned Sylvania and Wissenland. We'd be helping both out at the same time as part of our official duties while leaving our personal action slots free for something else. Like Karaz-Ankor-ing and Waystoning.
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You're right, she did mention that. However, I'm wondering if she's underestimating the time it'll take to really finish off each of those issues thoroughly. Gods only know though. If that option wins, we'll find out then.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Well, I've got to be completely honest, I always figured the sabbatical was short term? like a year in game is a fairly long time to be between jobs but not a long time IRL.
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None of these are short term except the Elfcation, and that's not going to be short in IRL terms.

SuperSonicSound said:
Is this purely about not wanting to have a vote of this scale occur twice in a relatively close amount of time IRL? Cause that makes research sabbatical entirely pointless as an option because I figured it was to enable us to get a few turns to do our own thing and then go back.
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'Does not appeal to me personally' does not mean entirely pointless.
 
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Good, Belegar reached a reasonable conclusion.

So, Heidi's offer is essentially Loremaster-at-Large, but for the Empire. Instead of shoring up K8P by going and solving other people's problems, we'd be shoring up Mandred, and instead of poking weird things in the KA, we'd be poking weird things in the Empire. Pretty interesting.
 
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Can we not do Waystones? I know I was in favour of it previously, but that was more about us personally investigating Waystones and learning more about it before assembling a cross-species research project where we're the manager who doesn't understand the product that her engineers are trying to make.
 
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Everything seems like it'd be interesting but I think I would prefer an Elfcation for skills and contacts before choosing Bodyguard for the chance to go around doing lots of things for a bit rather than focusing on one, and using personal time to start the Waystone project negotiations at a slower burn.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Good, Belegar reached a reasonable conclusion.
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Yeah, that's a good point. I was focused on the job offers but it's still a big relief to see Belegar come to the conclusion of "I'm still mad about this but there's more going on here than I currently understand."

If Mathilde takes the Loremaster at Large job, I wouldn't be surprised if Belegar eventually is named heir to the high king and gets to learn the details.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
well research sabbatical is off the table then as that time frame of enforced focus is going to kill it. Kind of sad. Waystones it is then.
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Research Sabatical would probably include stuff like developing our version of the hounds... which, could possibly result in us producing snek boxes to pass around. Or developing her own versions of Hammerspace, or Pocket dimensions ala the College. Or developing means of integrating Ulgu into her body.

None of these are small or easy to knock out over a few months.
 
Have to admit they all sounds really tempting. Well, except the bodyguard and Swamp Town which have big downsides.

1. Wissenland Spymaster seems pretty interesting since we can leverage our expertise with Skaven and have a lot of fun spy vs spy games.

2. Waystone project and Weber-at-Large both sounds like they have a lot of adventures to be had. In fact the Loremaster one already comes with a bunch of in-built plot hooks to follow up. It's hard to say no to dragons.

3. Everything else seems less appealing. For example the Stirland, Sylvania, and Borderlands all seem to move into more of a CK2 thing with town management. Which doesn't seem quite as appealing as the lifestyle filled with adventure that most of the others have. The Nararythe option would mean we don't get to see any research results for a long time. The others all seem to have their own issues.

So yeah, WIssenland has surprisingly enough appealed to me a lot. Waystones remain interesting and going around beating up Dwarf problems could be fun too. Ultimately I think Waystones + Research Institute Boon would probably be what I end up seeing as the most preferable way to go forward. That way we can have adventures going out and discovering lore while returning to K8P to put the pieces together and create new Waystones for a new age (while also using Institute resources to get our own personal research done of course).
 
lentil said:
Yeah, that's a good point. I was focused on the job offers but it's still a big relief to see Belegar come to the conclusion of "I'm still mad about this but there's more going on here than I currently understand."

If Mathilde takes the Loremaster at Large job, I wouldn't be surprised if Belegar eventually is named heir to the high king and gets to learn the details.
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Possibly with waystones also. As long as Thorgrim and Belegar resolve their differences I think it is very likely for Belegar to take the throne. Thorgrim got it becuase he found the Norse dwarves if I remember correctly. Belegar, despite being a radical, has successfully reclaimed one of the most prestigious lost Karaks.
 
Ugh, Loremaster at Large appeals to me a lot more than I expected it to. That's not gonna make the upcoming vote any easier. ;_;

Khepri14 said:
That is something to take into consideration, for sure. But on the @Omegahugger hand, (potentially) free reign to indulge in trying to raise Van Hal...
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Actually, Swamp Town is the worst option when it comes to bringing back Abel. Trying to do so years after the fact is hard enough under the best of circumstances, and I expect we're going to get nowhere without access to his physical remains in the Empire.

Now, it would be a wonderful place to practice for bringing him back, complete with local vampires to blame in case your skellingtons get out of the closet, but for the act itself it is a terrible choice.
 
Yeah, as appealing as it would be to fuck with the skaven under Nuln, and as nice as it would be to help truly pacify Slyvannia...Loremaster-at-Large for the Karaz Ankor would give us a lot of cool problems and adventures that no one else would really have access to, as well as some sweet Dwarf Favor.

The Waystone Project, however, is such a unique thing that may also be super important. Waystones are essential to keeping the world out of the hands of Chaos, and if we can find some way to create new Waystones or create mega-projects using them, it'd be a huge deal. Not to mention the potential for working with Eonir archmages, dwarf Runelords, and high-end Imperial wizards.
 
Darth. said:
Can we not do Waystones? I know I wa sin favour of it previously, but that was more about us personally investigating Waystones and learning more about it before assembling a cross-species research project where we're the manager who doesn't understand the product that her engineers are trying to make.
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I'm not singling you out, as there's been a few posts along these lines, but I don't understand the belief that the waystones project is going to be "all research" or, as you put the other extreme here, "Mathilde managing a project she doesn't understand."

It seems pretty clear from quest history that Mathilde (and the questers) are into research almost as much as they are adventures. It seems nearly certain to me that they Waystone project 'day to day' work is going to be a mix of research, management, diplomacy, and likely the occasional adventure to find a Waystone to poke at - rather than, as I've seen assumed more than once, only one of the above repeated for multiple in game years.

Mathilde would be leading the research project, but in no way would that preclude her from being part of it. In fact, I can't think of a real life research project I've been part of where the project manager wasn't intimately familiar with the details, because that's part of their job. Usually it goes even farther than that, and whichever professor is leading a collaboration is also an active researcher on a given project.
 
Darth. said:
Can we not do Waystones? I know I was in favour of it previously, but that was more about us personally investigating Waystones and learning more about it before assembling a cross-species research project where we're the manager who doesn't understand the product that her engineers are trying to make.
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I think Intel and many other companies have proven that having someone in charge who doesn't understand the product being researched is a bad thing. Imo we should use personal actions to look into Waystones alongside another job for the next arc or so before seriously considering Waystones.
 
Personally, I like Wissenland's return to our roots, and also from what's shown he sounds like a decent boss. Loremaster at Large and Bodyguard would both be great jobs to have, basically being paid to be a troubleshooter and poke our noses into interesting problems. Elfcation I still don't want to do till we've gotten our sword style finished, so not yet although it is tempting. The Waystone project isn't going anywhere and we've got things we could do before it so maybe later. Markgraf could be interesting, but its also not a job I'm certain about Mathilde's ability to do. That said, its also by far the most temporary of the jobs I like, so I wouldn't mind doing it for a while before eventually leaving.

The other options all told don't really strike my interests. Probably gonna vote for Markgraf/Loremaster at Large/Bodyguard and maybe Wissenland if its not getting many votes.
 
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How likely is it that working with Heidi in this capacity will cause friction with our College?

I'm not suggesting it's a trick option or she's trying to deceive us intentionally, just that the other LMs and Algard might have opinions on the matter...?
 
[ ] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

I really like this, Heidi is very fun to read and I'd like to see how Mandred grows (also we'd be poking weird things which is nice).
 
Being the bodyguard would be tempting because being the imperial troubleshooter and helping remove the troubles of the empire for a smooth transition to Mandred as well as a great boon from Ranald seems like a very tempting thing to be honest.
 
Darth. said:
I think Intel and many other companies have proven that having someone in charge who doesn't understand the product being researched is a bad thing. Imo we should use personal actions to look into Waystones alongside another job for the next arc or so before seriously considering Waystones.
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If Waystones could be figured out as a side gig, it would already have been done by someone else. The only way to make real progress is to pool information from disparate sources, and those sources aren't going to play ball if Mathilde is just doing it as a hobby.
 
Darth. said:
I think Intel and many other companies have proven that having someone in charge who doesn't understand the product being researched is a bad thing. Imo we should use personal actions to look into Waystones alongside another job for the next arc or so before seriously considering Waystones.
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This isn't an engineering project though, it's a research project. Nobody understands Waystones. That's the point. Mathilde would be learning with everyone else, and putting what small pieces of knowledge the Dwarves and Eonir still retain together into a larger picture.
 
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