- Location
- Australia
The biggest problem I see with Swamp Town is that the dwarves are so distant there's no opportunity to leverage our good standing with them to help out mission.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
I was most interested in Wissenland when I read the interaction with the Elector-Count and the Dwarf thing, but then the Bodyguard thing came up and we could do the Wissenland Skavenslaying as part of the Imperial Bodyguard position to accrue favours so I'm actually most interested in the Bodyguard position right now. We could also take a walk in Sylvania and kill some of the most pressing issues to get Roswita's favour as well for Mandred.
Also the Ranald thing is interesting as well as the possibility of being Regent/Right hand of the Regent-Empress.
Also the Ranald thing is interesting as well as the possibility of being Regent/Right hand of the Regent-Empress.
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- Location
- South Africa
@BoneyM if we don't take the Loremaster option, could we still make it clear that we are available as a reserve in emergencies? After all we did in taking K8P and building towers there, I don't want to be locked out of assisting K8P if they need it, taking into account dealing with other concurrent emergencies and too rapid to help cases.
Khepri14
Thus kindly I scatter...
- Location
- Following the wind
That is something to take into consideration, for sure. But on the @Omegahugger hand, (potentially) free reign to indulge in trying to raise Van Hal...
While it's right at the bottom of my list, I feel compelled to point out this is the Skaven we are talking about. Although it's only one clan, they will be a delicate web of alliances and factions all but poised to rip each others throats out at the drop of a hat.
We would just need to identify the fault lines, and set up a caskade of fuckups to send them into a frenzy.
A month if you're really lucky, as many as four if you're not.
You won't be forbidden from helping K8P deal with a catastrophe just because it's not your full time job any more. Mathilde's meddled in events in Stirland plenty of times while on Belegar's payroll.
Wow, massive chapter! Belegar has sold me on Loremaster-at-Large, if he wanted a traditionnal Karak, a traditional Loremaster would be appropriate. In his current situation, a traditional Loremater might hold him back in his reforms as much as it would help him. It's a gamble, but not one without merits. On the other hand, the waystone project is pretty similar except we work on Waystones instead. Both are probably my favored options (but probably not the only ones I'll vote for).
Other than that, both Sylvania and the Border Princes strike my fancy quite a bit too.
The way I see it, Boney was saying "Try and find out" but don't be salty if you can't succeed, rather than saying it's not an option.
Other than that, both Sylvania and the Border Princes strike my fancy quite a bit too.
The way I see it, Boney was saying "Try and find out" but don't be salty if you can't succeed, rather than saying it's not an option.
- Location
- Utrecht
Belebro really is the best.
Loremaster, nuln and markgrafin i think for me.
Loremaster, nuln and markgrafin i think for me.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
We'd be able to do both to some extent as part of the Imperial Bodyguard job *hint hint, nudge nudge*
Hmmst a very interesting chapter that clarified a few things for me quite nicely
Sylvania still appeals. I would like to see Sylvania finished and done, and it would be one we would be pissed about if a Von Carstein did return to cause mayhem and we didn't stop it when we could have. Still, it is getting done, even if without our assistance it may take far longer than it would otherwise.
Loremaster does sound fun and would offer a fairly constant string of interesting and probably ultimately beneficial things for the dwarves. Not like Karak Vlag level stuff. But friendly dragons, or a dealt with Sartosa are certainly boons. Could see us tiring of it after a few more years and after a bit more dwarf fatigue has set in.
Guardian...its more interesting than it was. Not quite imperial spymaster, not quite Heidi's heist hijinks. Ultimately though its less interesting to me that the above two.
Nuln. Our employer doesn't seem to know how to deal with the problem, but he does at least know that there is a problem to solve. It's also 80 - 90% Skaven focused, but unfortunately fighting skaven doesn't interest me as much as fighting vampires.
Swamptown. Very vague potential, but doesn't particularly interest me. Pirate queen Mathilde is a surprise turn of events which could unfold there but doent quite capture my imagination.
Onto the ones already discussed in the previous update
Waystones - Eonir archmages sound wierd and interesting enough, since I imagine we might get some unique insights into magical theory from them. Especially since they exist outside of typical Eonir society. Meanwhile getting them to talk with the dwarves could be very interesting. Still am wary of the research grind, but would be ambivalent if it is chosen. I.e I don't think ill actively campaign against it.
Border Princess. Sound fun, but also doesn't really tie into any of our previous activities and adventures. Still, you could pretty much say the same of the 8 peaks expedition.
Ultimately the only one I have anything against is swamptown. The rest are fine. Still team Sylvania for the moment, but I'll also dabble in loremaster
Sylvania still appeals. I would like to see Sylvania finished and done, and it would be one we would be pissed about if a Von Carstein did return to cause mayhem and we didn't stop it when we could have. Still, it is getting done, even if without our assistance it may take far longer than it would otherwise.
Loremaster does sound fun and would offer a fairly constant string of interesting and probably ultimately beneficial things for the dwarves. Not like Karak Vlag level stuff. But friendly dragons, or a dealt with Sartosa are certainly boons. Could see us tiring of it after a few more years and after a bit more dwarf fatigue has set in.
Guardian...its more interesting than it was. Not quite imperial spymaster, not quite Heidi's heist hijinks. Ultimately though its less interesting to me that the above two.
Nuln. Our employer doesn't seem to know how to deal with the problem, but he does at least know that there is a problem to solve. It's also 80 - 90% Skaven focused, but unfortunately fighting skaven doesn't interest me as much as fighting vampires.
Swamptown. Very vague potential, but doesn't particularly interest me. Pirate queen Mathilde is a surprise turn of events which could unfold there but doent quite capture my imagination.
Onto the ones already discussed in the previous update
Waystones - Eonir archmages sound wierd and interesting enough, since I imagine we might get some unique insights into magical theory from them. Especially since they exist outside of typical Eonir society. Meanwhile getting them to talk with the dwarves could be very interesting. Still am wary of the research grind, but would be ambivalent if it is chosen. I.e I don't think ill actively campaign against it.
Border Princess. Sound fun, but also doesn't really tie into any of our previous activities and adventures. Still, you could pretty much say the same of the 8 peaks expedition.
Ultimately the only one I have anything against is swamptown. The rest are fine. Still team Sylvania for the moment, but I'll also dabble in loremaster
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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There is no such thing as kingdom-building in Lustria. Not only is Lustria basically a death world (made such by Lizardmen magic), the Lizardmen keep a close eye on any Old World settlements there and are ready to wipe them out at a moment's notice, should they ever grow to the point where they could be at all a significant power in the region.Should be reached
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Previously I was in favour of the Waystone Project for all the adventures and lore etc, but honestly now I think the Swamp Town posting might be even better. We'd still GET lots of adventures and lore, but we'd also be exploring new ground, and get to do some good old kingdom building!
Making an effort at 'good' first contact with the Lizard men could be fun, but honestly I'm mostly looking forward to Kingdom building. As far away from the Empire as we would be we could get away with basically anything... and having the Empire come calling would just add more interesting stuff!
Additionally getting on good terms with a Slann would be a huge help for the Waystone project if we take it later, considering they were the buggers who made them in the first place.
Swamp Town is never going to be more than a town; if it is allowed to grow, it will be only with the express permission of the Lizardmen, who will explicitly retain the right to destroy or cull whatever we build whenever they want.
The appeal of Swamp Town is the chance to make positive contact with the Lizardmen, as well as the ability to study exotic plants and creatures. Since we are not an Amber Wizard or a Jade Wizard, the second two are out, and the first would be a huge (and dangerous) challenge regardless. The Lizardmen are strangers to the concept of diplomacy, and Lizardmen soldiers are not used to thinking in such radically different ways.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Research Sabbatical and then waystones project for me.
Lets us blast through ulgu tongs, AV and theurgy options for two turns before reengaging in the waystones project which is what I'd like to dedicate the next arc to. Getting the Dwarves, Elves and Human working together on a megaproject.
Lets us blast through ulgu tongs, AV and theurgy options for two turns before reengaging in the waystones project which is what I'd like to dedicate the next arc to. Getting the Dwarves, Elves and Human working together on a megaproject.
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Khepri14
Thus kindly I scatter...
- Location
- Following the wind
Would we really be able to do such things while doing the bodyguard job? Both of those options seem like major time investments and the bodyguard thing, while not 24/7/365, will be needed at specific dates that we don't know of yet meaning we can't be gone for long stretches of time and will also be needed to put a lot of time into training up the other bodyguards and patching holes into Mandred's security which is significant time investiture all by itself. In addition, we would fall under the Emperor and Empress immediate authority (rather than through intermediaries such as our boss in the Order who could be told to take care of X problem but they can choose who and how to go about solving it), meaning if they think our time is better spent elsewhere, then we pretty much have to do whatever they want instead.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Here's the thing. We'd be traveling a lot to accrue favours with the Elector-Counts and secure their votes and stuff. Waving the Imperial flag etc etc. It would actually let us do multiple jobs at the same time as a part of our official duties. And we could pop in to some Karaks using our personal actions the same way we did the Sylvania thing as part of K8P.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Here's the thing. Heidi literally told us we'd have to accrue favours with the Elector-Counts to secure votes by trouble-shooting for them. She specifically mentioned Sylvania and Wissenland. We'd be helping both out at the same time as part of our official duties while leaving our personal action slots free for something else. Like Karaz-Ankor-ing and Waystoning.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Thinking about it like this, it kind of sounds like the Imperial version of the Loremaster-at-Large job, huh. Some stuff at home, a lot of time outside doing stuff for other people in someone's name. While Heidi didn't say so, I imagine it's likely Mathilde will end up doing some missions for Luitpold as well, given the proximity to him plus the fact that it's his order that allows this job.
- Do not choose Research Sabbatical if there's just one or two things you want to finish off. There will be time to wrap things up before Mathilde moves on to her next position.
I'm not offering Research Sabbatical just so we can be back here in two turns. It's for if you want Mathilde to spend multiple years focused on nothing but research.
I don't think this is entirely true, Belegar himself just showed how he'd get a lot of benefit out of Mathilde remaining Loremaster. She'd be running around, doing Mathilde things, and greatly benefiting K8P in prestige and owed favors. That's almost certainly worth Belegar continuing to handle 'traditional' Loremaster roles.
The information about Swamp Town simultaneously makes me want to take it and not take it. It honestly sounds incredibly interesting, and challenging in a fun way, but the distance from Mathilde's life makes it a no go. I'll probably approval vote for it and yet be happy that it won't win, as paradoxical as that is. I think Loremaster at Large and Waystones continue to be my top picks, but really anything that wins has the promise to be interesting.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Exactly. Also travel times can be made less of an issue as we can make a teleport tower in K8P, Grey College probably already has one else we make another, Roswita will probably let us make one in Sylvania to help out occasionally (if not, then probably Blutdorf), same for Nuln on Iron Isle and just that plus our Shadowhorse will let us cross vast swathes of the Empire quickly letting us do the Emperor's dirty work, help out the Electors to get favours, do our own research and adventuring and also be back in time for any court events we need to be at.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Well, I've got to be completely honest, I always figured the sabbatical was short term? like a year in game is a fairly long time to be between jobs but not a long time IRL for two turn updates.
Is this purely about not wanting to have a vote of this scale occur twice in a relatively close amount of time IRL? Cause that makes research sabbatical entirely pointless as an option because I figured it was to enable us to get a few turns to do our own thing and then go back.
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