I suspect that you're vastly underestimating the amount of the river we'd have to cover while simultaneously vastly overestimating the AoE of Mathilde's version of Universal Confusion. As for power requirements, the Eye of Gazul only accumulates something like ten minutes of charge per day.
While your probably right about needing alot of power to get my idea even pheasibly operational if it's even possible to build a tower to cast universal confusion through the river spirit of Howling River and if it's 'se'f applies to the entire river, let alone if said spirit would agree with such a project being worked on as it being the centre of the spell being cast on.
My thoughts if all the requirements for this project to actually work were met to solve the power problem wwas to build multiple towers alongside the river enchanted to gather power of Ulgu to be channel the spell through the river.
Theirs also the point i think of the college speculating elves using elemental ulgu for their fabled fog magics in the ocean so i thought that maybe using that speculation we could see if we could get the fog aspect that river may produce as perhaps a gathering point for Ulgu for the towers built along the river.
Very mystical, not much emphasis is placed on things like mists or fogs, all the focus goes towards deceptions and illusions. Some speculate that the 'Mist Mages' of Ulthuan's navy are practitioners of elemental Ulgu, and that perhaps Teclis did not pass on that information so that Ulthuan's dominance of the seas would not be endangered.
Again, might be me underestimating how much college favour this would require from the colleges and we haven't even touched wind herder yet, let alone invest understanding with Jade magic so probably a long research line to investigate if my idea was pheasibly possible and might run into the 'river spirit can't be used as a channel point for towers to cast universal confusion fog mastery' or 'River spirit doesn't want to be used as a focal point to cast the spell through the river' or 'River spirit concept if self doesn't quite reach the entire river so not possible' but it was a neat idea that if possible could break raiding parties and major Waghs entering the border princes and thus could actually be a province for men to last without getting regularily destroyed by orcs and goblins
Again might be underestimating how building multiple towers along the howling river to power such a spell would cost in college favours and the idea of the river spirit aggreing or even it being possible to cast through it as the entire river it being it's 'self' is unknown but something i thought pursuing as a line of research if it's even possible as these are questions i think Malthtide working with Paranormia could answer with a 1 - 3 AP actions working together if we choose the border options as future arc but a cool thought for using river as a super weapon.
Also i don't think i'm underestimating the spell of universal confusion as here it is from Boney that it can be channeled as a form of mastery through the self as fog bellowing out from one's individual self.
Mastery - Cloud of Confusion: You can cast the spell as a billowing cloud of bewildering gas, which pours from you for several minutes, constantly effecting everyone nearby.
- Mathilde can cast both the normal spell and the Mastered version. Both are indiscriminate, but the normal version applies to anyone within that radius at the time of casting, whereas the Mastered version continues outputting the gas over minutes to effect everyone touched by it.
- The Mastered version does not need to be inhaled to take effect. Mathilde is immune to it, as is Wolf; everyone else will suffer from Bewilder unless they're strong-willed enough to shake it off.
- The cloud itself is not very concealing unless Mathilde stays in one place long enough for it to gather.
K / Bewilder: A target at short range will have their mind clouded and will act unpredictably for around a minute.
- Violence, inaction, and wandering off aimlessly are all possibilities.
If my idea of using a the river spirit to as the focal point to cast the spell through the entire river works then these effects if cast upon raiding parties or Wagghs could break the orcs trying to cross the river.
Again i will note the big dents in my plan that i will acknowledge need to be answered yes or my plan of using a river spirits concept of 'self' to cast this spell on would even work so I will list the things needed in order for my plan to work.
1. Is the river big enough to fit an entire wagh/ raiding party to be cast upon to break them?
2. Is the river spirit even willing to agree with such a big project and using it'self as the focal point to cast the spell.
3. Does the spirit of a river concept of 'self' extend though the entirety of the Howling river and are their multiple of the inhabiting one river although the jade spell implies one river spirit per river it is worth noting as we may have to interact with multiple river spirits
Moderately Complicated - Magic 3 required to learn, Magic 5 to cast reliably. (CN 10-19):
River's Whisper: You commune with the spirit of a river and receive general answers to questions. Long casting time.
4. Is it even possible if all past points are checked and the river spirit is willing to work with us and it's concept of 'self' extend thought the entire river and thus universal confusion master can be cast though the river to break Waghs and raiding parties of orcs, etc to even cast universal confusion through the river spirit as a focal point
5. Would it even be possible to create a tower enchanted to invoke the river spirits being when needed to talk to or be used as a focal point for the spell of universal confusion? it's not battle magic and actually moderately complicated magic and would require Paranormia to learn enchanting to be good enough to enchant forth moderetly complicated spells but could pheasibly work if she put the time into learning it.
6. How much power would this spell require? lots more then the Tower of Gazul probably as were casting this though a river and expecting this fog spell to last for more then at least 5 - 10 seconds to get a decent effect on the orcs to turn raiding parties and Waghs invading the border prince into blood baths or wander of as the fog affects those in the river.
K / Bewilder: A target at short range will have their mind clouded and will act unpredictably for around a minute.
- Violence, inaction, and wandering off aimlessly are all possibilities.
So probably losts of power needed and probably need to build towers alongside the river to hold power of Ulgu which would require lots of college favour to channel through the river spirit if my past points on what is required to get the spell actually working through the river spirit.
6.B) could be solved by us casting the spell/enchantment upon different parts of the river and not it's entirety which would solve this problem of power as just using individual towers to cast the spell through the river spirits through different section of the lake
7. We haven;t even touched winder herder yet so we would probably require practice with Paraormia to get this project working which would require AP to work with Paranormia to get this Jade/Ulgu enchant thing working of using the river spirit as the focal point to cast universal confusion mastery though.
8. Since this plan would be a combination of jade/ulgu enchanting magic to invoke and use the river spirit as a focal point which requires jade magic of river whisperer to cast universal confusion mastery which is our ulgu magic. Would the colleges even be able to set up the towers alongside the river? A joint project of the jade college and Grey college while possible requires alot of college favor to get those towers built alongside the river, let alone of the enchanting members have the skill to combine the magics into the towers built alongside the river and if that's even possible but i will note Boneym said this on flying mountain idea request to Gold Patriarch
@BoneyM
I have a question! Would a valid price for the trove be 'pull in enough favours with the other Colleges to bypass the entire Karag Dum expedition, enchant the entire fucking mountain to fly and dump it somewhere safer'?
You'd still need some sort of expedition to get all the Wizards there to do the enchanting.
Are there even enough wizards to make a mountain fly? And more importantly, enough wizards dumbbrave enough to try it in the chaos wastes? That seems like an ambitious task even for Fozzik, and there's not a lot of Fozziks.
The feasibility of it sounds like Feldmann's problem, not Mathilde's.
Now if only someone had had the idea to turn Karag Dum into a flying mountain and float it out of the Chaos Wastes... and who knows, maybe having an even larger number of experienced wizards on the expedition would have let us solve the fucking mystery godfuck1n6da3n1!#%$@
This keeps popping up, we could have asked for literally anything from the gold patriarch and he was well within his remit to respond with "Okay your suggestion is clearly ludicrious and so beyond the bounds of capability that you're essentially telling us to 'fuck off', very well then may your research endeavours be fruitful and quick, I wish you the best of luck with your research." and away Magister Patriarch Feldman goes.
The Colleges of magic have a lot of resources and capabilities what they can't do is make a fuck mothering mountain fly away. No one in the colleges can replicate Fozzriks works never mind surpass them by like a thousand orders of magnitude.
I recall explicitly repudiating this argument.
Wait really?
You're saying the Colleges think they could make a mountain fly away? :/
I'm saying that bringing that request to the bargaining table would not result in the other party leaving in a huff.
So like if Gold Patriarch is willing to actually consider flying mountain idea which means working with the celestial college in a joint project to get flying mountain idea actually working...
well it means it's somewhat possible for a more pheasible idea of getting the grey college and Jade to work together to make the towers alongside the river if gold dude wouldn't leave in a huff if we suggested the big unreasonable flying mountain idea but it would cost HELL on college favor for multiple power stones and multiple towers built alongside the river although Barrac Varr might be willing to aleviate some of that big debt as they would support us, however would they support us on such a big project... is questionable if we suggested it to them and my past requirements listed are actually met to make this plan possible
9. would it be possible to get someone to cast the spell who is not us or a grey wizard like we did with the Tower of Gazul? It required rolls to get that part running but we got it to work. I put this point as i can't imagine we'll stay in the border princes forever and will proabbly leave eventually if we choose it as future arc for Malthtitide so this is important.
I understand this requires alot of my requirements as I listed from 1 - 6 to be correct which Malthitide may not know the answer to, let alone casting Universal confusion spell as it's mastery form though another being such as a river spirit which is not human which is not even known and may very well be a dead end for this project but I didn't think such a project wouldn't be too much a stretch if we put AP into this if go for the Border prince ark to answer these question and see if it's possible to weaponise the entire river or not and if we could get Barrac Var's support for this project like we did with Belegar for Sword of Gazul to not have hell amount of college favor cost to get this project going if it's actually possible.
Just speculation from me but i don't think it much a stretch to spend like 1 or 2 ap with Paranormia to answer these questions of weaponising a river spirit and if all the requirements for this super weapon are actually possible if we vote for border princess Malthitide as next arc as were still near K8P and we could found a research institute to solve AP problems of research and teleport tower from border prince's to K8P.
Might be missing something but these are my thoughts on the weapon and the questions needed answering to make it even possible which i don't think would be a stretch to say it is and sorry for replying late. If theirs anything else i might be missing which i probably am with such a large project idea i can see that which is why i posted the idea even if it's long winded and questionable if ti would even work to see if i'm missing something.
I just want to play wizard more and build more epic super weapons. Might be influenced by the inspiration motive we picked at character creation but I sure as hell agree with Malthitide as it would be cool as heck to weaponize an entire river to make orc raiding parties and Waghhs trying to cross it to wreck havoc in the border princes into pure chaos as they kill each other or wander off breaking them apart.
K / Bewilder: A target at short range will have their mind clouded and will act unpredictably for around a minute.
- Violence, inaction, and wandering off aimlessly are all possibilities.
