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As I said, polytheism is accepted, the lady just has constitutional primacy in rulers, much greater than Sigmars. You can worsip someone else too, sure... as long as the Lady comes first.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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As I said, polytheism is accepted, the lady just has constitutional primacy in rulers, much greater than Sigmars. You can worsip someone else too, sure... as long as the Lady comes first.
The Lady is not pretty explicitly elven. There were certainly hints that there are connections between the Lady and the elves, but the extent, nature or even their explicit existence was not confirmed until the End Times.
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If you rub Sigmarism in her face, you can expect a knee jerk reaction. But she doesn't actively go about preaching against Sigmar.
It's kind of like in RL where you have Militant Atheists, and passive atheists who don't care enough to give any God the time of day.
The first are active, the second are passive.
But the passive atheists demonstrate more active behaviour when outright confronted with religious preachers. I think Mathilde is in the passive school of thought. Like when she met Reiner Starke. She didn't actively say anti-Sigmar things. She just passively let him draw his own conclusions with minimum input (and probably basked in the "poor deluded Sigmarite" feeling).
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Huh, really? My lack of primary lore knowledge screwed me over again.
It is the court in Reikland, expect Sigmaritism to be rubbed in the face of everyone often.
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No to be a Grail Knight (and therefore King) is to be as devoted to the Lady of the Lake as a priest to a single god in the empire. You can't double up on blessings. The duke who had Manann's blessings wasn't a Grail Knight.
Given how... transformed Grail Knights are I think the closer comparison would even be Chaos Champions or even Daemon Princes rather than priests of the order gods.
Last time an Ulrician tried to become Emperor, the Cult of Sigmar blocked them, despite them being the heir to Magnus the Pious.
The time before then the War of Three Emperors happened.
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An excellent example of why we shouldn't start going easier on Sigmar or Sigmarism!
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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What? No. Empire is the most powerful human nation in the Old World.
Now Cathay or Ind being greater than Empire is an actual contest probably. Not enough info, alas.
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I'd still expect Intrigue 28 Mathilde's reaction to be much more covert that most people don't get a hint of it.
Something like doubling down on Mandred's Ranaldite education behind the scenes.
Is it now?
- Looking at the Grail Knights I would say the Brets have the better elites
- Knights in general are better cavalry
- They explicitly have the better fleet
- They only train women in sorcery, but thanks to the fey they get all of them so overall more trained mages
- Casters who can use multiple lores, though locked out of some that the Imperial Colleges can use
- The only place I can see where the Empire has and advantage is artillery and basic knights have a ward save against that
The Ducal line of Bordeleaux has Mannan as their hereditary patron god. At least one of them became a Questing Knight, with there being no mention that this would make it impossible for him to become a Grail Knight.
The heraldry of Bordeleaux is Mannan's holy symbol.
The first duke of Bordeleaux, who would have been one of the Grail Companions who supped from the Grail, was apparently granted a lock of Mannan's hair which fills the bearer with His divine energies when used. That duke most certainly doubled up on divine blessings from both Mannan and the Lady.
And, if you look at non-forested land, Bretonnia is probably much, much bigger. More than an order of magnitude bigger.
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I'm imagining a guy who spends all his time killing and then eating various monsters.
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Everything you said until the last sentance is true.
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It is technically possible though, even if its hard, it is not FORBIDDEN is my point.
Also, the first Emperor was an Ulrican.
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We've had this discussion before and the evidence and QM came down pretty hard against this position. Let me pull the citations.
Emphases mine.
It sounds to me like the Brets are stronger on an individual level but the Empire has more, and that Teclis, at least, judged the quantity advantage of the Empire to be sufficient for them to have the "mightiest armies," rather than Bretonnia.
EDIT: Bonus extra quotes because storryeater summed it up well and Redshirt made me laugh:
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Or Teclis was just wrong. He looked at a map of the external borders and because the elves had largely ignored the place for several thousand years didn't realise that it didn't actually control much of that territory.
Note how BoneyM said that he made that decision before he arrived, so before he'd actually know about the situation on the ground.
People have been more than happy to accept the fallibility of elven judgments before.
ShyPerson
Guardian of the dead’s final rest.
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Just ignore the Endtimes. Those were dreck pushed out to clean the table for Age of Sigmar. Any revals and resolutions therefore are the product hastily tying everything together into a shabby bow. My take on it is therefore to not give anything in it any credence.
And no, the Settra meme was not worth it.
You are blatantly ignoring the advantages the Empire has tactically over Bretonnian forces. Better overall infantry, more monstrous cavalry and the extant of the artillery advantage (the infantry don't have that nifty save, plus wards are never a guarantied protection, just a chance to prevent hits).
Besides, better elites are not a win button. It's utilization that matters, and once that factors in then judgment can only be rendered on a case by case basis.
Maybe Teclis was just biased because he's not a military elf and thought the Empires balanced army composition looked a lot more like a proper Ulthuani army (naturally the best kind of army) than the Bretonnian cav spam.
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Also just a massively superior economy due to not being literally stuck in the manorial system.
Okay, but what is the conclusion? Are you saying that this makes it too dangerous to take court jobs and people should therefore not vote to do that?
How bad is bad? How terrible of a consequences are you expecting when it comes to the hot water? Do you envision it being on the level of, "every few years we have to blow an AP making up for a Sigmar boo-boo" or are you envisioning it as this will get Mathilde fired in disgrace or even killed?
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
It should be noted that Ranald being of human origin is technically a disputed story.
Now, it doesn't change any of his nature and Mathilde clearly believes him to be an ascended human, but there is a story where Ranald's Greatest Trick wasn't fooling Shallya into letting him drink from her chalice, but rather him convincing his followers that he had ever been one of them.
I am envisioning a lot of not fun Sigmarite ruffled feathers and minor court scandals that simply are not what I am looking for in this quest. I do not think anyone is going to kill us over it. It's not actually a crime to dislike Sigmar in the empire, or Ulricans would not be able to function but I see it as a persistent source of stress and attacks against not just us but Heidi and even Mandred when he grows older. It's an easy target and those tend to draw a lot to fire.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
The Empire's armies are also mostly professional soldiery, with some semi-permanent combat engineers to man the canons and knightly orders that are basically semi-independant military forces. While Brettonia's armies are mostly composed of minor nobles, the enforcers for said nobles, and civilians. This means that The Empire can likely manage long campaigns outside of its borders way better than Brettonia.
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