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He's also not gonna grow up hating wizards, regardless of what option we pick options. We're his godmother! We have access to him on a regular basis, enough that Mathilde can see and pounce on any such indication should it raise its head. And that discounts any other wizard who have access to him.
When would we do that? We normally don't see him much. If we want to access him on a regular basis we should choose the option that accesses him on a regular basis. We have to actually do some god-mothering to get the benefit.
Like, as i understand it, we would be supposed to make sure this part is mostly safe (Made the circle bit too big, its not supposed to go as far as Iron Rock. Maybe i am overstating the size of what we would have to take care of?


We don't care about most of that area. We care about

the western end of Mad Dog Pass, near the banks of the Howling River.

So shrink that circle a lot and center it on the mountains. We also don't need to build something capable of preventing a Waagh from crossing the river. We need to patrol the area, kick out bandits and reduce raiding but in the event of a full blown waaagh we can pull back into a Tower Defense mountain stronghold and let them pass.
 
I'd just like to point out that even if Mandred will inevitably become Emperor, that's not likely to happen for another 50 turns or so.

That is, far longer than this entire quest so far.

The actual payoff to this posting may very well be actual IRL years from now, assuming we even get there.
Uh, the actual payoff is being in the personal confidence of the Emperor, Empress and the Imperial Council. Its a good place for influence while we shape young minds and do research(i.e use this span to slay the backlog and work through some of the paths, Theurgy for one would be a lot easier with an actual spellcasting priestess of Ranald on hand).
That and helping keep Heidi on the level because she'd need to limit some shenanigans even as we help with others.

Good place for those interested in taking an apprentice too - the apprentice will finish around when the mentoring does, so we don't need to worry about unattended apprentices when we go out in the field.
 
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We don't care about most of that area. We care about



So shrink that circle a lot and center it on the mountains. We also don't need to build something capable of preventing a Waagh from crossing the river. We need to patrol the area, kick out bandits and reduce raiding but in the event of a full blown waaagh we can pull back into a Tower Defense mountain stronghold and let them pass.
That's a lot more doable than trying to control full length of the rivers, but also not something that needs Mathy, but rather another Order of Knights deciding to migrate southwards, or just mercs deciding to server under Dawi.
Dawi holding mountains, human auxiliaries patrolling other stuff, it kind of works together well, and does not really require Mathilde.

What would require Mathilde is, idk, preparatory steps for it or capitalizing on it - reacting to random Waagh or expedition to Thunder Mountain. Or vetting humans so that only trustworthy enough ones are working with them. Not a full time job either way.
 
...wait a minute.


I just spotted a prank from our oldest friend.

Isn't the main problem with getting a Ranaldite High Priest down to:
-Most pious priests of Ranald are allergic to public attention. Many are allergic to any kind of attention.

-Many Ranaldites are contrarians, if you tell them to go to the Conclave, nobody shows up, if you forbid them they will sneak in. This extends internally - we put out an advertisement for devotees to the Gambler, specifically excluding Deceivers and we quite promptly got a Deceiver devotee who had to have Ranald poke him on the shoulder and let him know Bad Idea Bro.

Taking Ranald High Priest is going to make herding wizards look like puppies.
We'd be herding an unknown number of persons of uncertain nature, a significant number of whom would promptly do the opposite thing to what we asked, and another portion would do what they believe we actually asked in code.

Ranald would laugh himself sick XD

I mean Mathilde has super high Ranald-focused piety and intrigue, she won't be shocked and she culturally knows how to handle them better than almost everyone. Ranald be Ranald, so it won't go perfectly, but for a high piety, high intrigue Ranaldite it won't even be close to the disaster described.

Remember that Ranald is piloting his entire life. There's no way he'll be so massively unlucky as to have 1 or 4 happen, and 2 and 3 are IMO also unlikely - if only because Ranald are Heidi are shaping his upbringing, and both are ambitious and have a stake in him becoming Emperor.

If there is something even the worst interpretation of Ranald has in common with the best it is that Ranld is extremely pro freedom-free will. The prince may get some strokes of luck if he aligns himself with Ranald, but the baptism does not guarantee that and Ranalds support won't guarantee he will want his job or prove to not be unsuitable in other ways that luck cannot remedy or that would see him losing Ranld's approval.
 
I mean Mathilde has super high Ranald-focused piety and intrigue, she won't be shocked and she culturally knows how to handle them better than almost everyone. Ranald be Ranald, so it won't go perfectly, but for a high piety, high intrigue Ranaldite it won't even be close to the disaster described.



If there is something even the worst interpretation of Ranald has in common with the best it is that Ranld is extremely pro freedom-free will. The prince may get some strokes of luck if he aligns himself with Ranald, but the baptism does not guarantee that and Ranalds support won't guarantee he will want his job or prove to not be unsuitable in other ways that luck cannot remedy or that would see him losing Ranld's approval.
It's almost certain that Heidi's going to be actively moulding him towards the role, however. In fact I think she outright states something along those lines.
 
If we do take over Mad Dog pass and build our Tower Defense I wonder if it would get renamed from "Mad Dog" eventually.

"Tower" pass?
"Wizard's" pass?
"You shall not" pass? :V
Depending on how much the Winter Wolves involve themselves, it might be renamed something like 'Wolf's Howl Pass' since it's near the Howling River.
 
Honestly, a lot of these positions sound like the next step on the ladder upwards, not the final step itself. Each one will, when we've cleared the initial problems of the role and got it running semi-autonomously, like we did in K8P, will give us massive advantages to wherever we end up going next.
I would argue that 'high priest of Ranald' is the odd one out here: that is a definite end job. (well... Avatar of the god and then god in your own right might count...)

there really isn't a way to quite that job or go do something else.

'former high priest of the god of thefs: I would like to apply for a stewardship adviser role!.

Elector count: we both know that's not happening

Former high priest of the god of rebellion: spymaster? general? I have good job history.

Elector count: please go away....
 
Nuln's a city, land is straight up bought and sold. Frankly they don't even need to give her the land or tower itself, Mathilde has the money that she basically just needs the go ahead that no one will stop her from building a wizard tower, which again, they're familiar enough with Elpseth that if Mathilde said "I need a wizard tower if I'm going to work here" there is zero chance that would be a dealbreaker.
That presumes someone wants to sell land to her. The land isn't going to be owned by the people who live on it after all.

They're terrified of Elspeth, and evidence indicates she's lived there longer than anyone else there has been alive. Except maybe some Dwarfs.
 
I mean Mathilde has super high Ranald-focused piety and intrigue, she won't be shocked and she culturally knows how to handle them better than almost everyone. Ranald be Ranald, so it won't go perfectly, but for a high piety, high intrigue Ranaldite it won't even be close to the disaster described.
Oh not really a disaster, more exasperation because Ranald wouldn't make his homies do anything they don't wanna...
 
That presumes someone wants to sell land to her. The land isn't going to be owned by the people who live on it after all.

They're terrified of Elspeth, and evidence indicates she's lived there longer than anyone else there has been alive. Except maybe some Dwarfs.
Well, leaving aside the fact that being terrified of someone is no reason not to take their money, we could always go with the idea you just inspired and talk to some Dwarves. I'm sure at least some of Mathilde's rep with the Karaz Ankor translates to Imperial Dwarf rep, and they probably own some land in the city that they'd sell for the right price.
 
Another benefit to going imperial tutor/bodyguard is that means we are going to be one of the closest people to the new emperor. It's hard to get a stronger position politically.
 
Well, leaving aside the fact that being terrified of someone is no reason not to take their money, we could always go with the idea you just inspired and talk to some Dwarves. I'm sure at least some of Mathilde's rep with the Karaz Ankor translates to Imperial Dwarf rep.
I was making the point that no one is used to Elspeth, they're just scared of her. Although I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't sell stuff to people who scared them.

That relies on the Imperial Dwarfs owning enough land to sell some. Actually I'm unsure how many Imperial Dwarfs live in Nuln outside of the Gunnery School.

She's the new Amethyst Matriarch?

Probably spends a lot of time in Altdorf now - though with a dragon commuting is possible.
Boney's said she commutes. Not every day, I suspect, but still.
 
That presumes someone wants to sell land to her. The land isn't going to be owned by the people who live on it after all.

They're terrified of Elspeth, and evidence indicates she's lived there longer than anyone else there has been alive. Except maybe some Dwarfs.
The great thing about land being bought and sold on an open market because its within a city is you can toss more money at the matter, so yes someone will be willing to sell land.
 
Variations on 'the Gods defended us from Chaos and lead us to this bountiful land', with varying amounts of credit going to various gods depending on local biases.
So none of the Empire cults publicly share an answer to the question of "where did the first Humans (and Elves and Dwarves) come from"? If this is true, it would definitely increase my respect for Mallus Humans compared to real world Humans, who rarely founded any religions that didn't try to have some form of answer to every major question ever.
Need corroboration to publish as fact, need a larger sample size to publish as a cultural myth.
I really like this clean and clear answer. Sorry for having posted more stuff harping on on this topic after you gave it. I hadn't gotten there yet.
the person we are speaking to is a Star Dragon, that means he remembers not only the arrival of Chaos but may be old enough to remember the arrival of the Old Ones
How do we know that? Is the time needed for a newborn Dragon to become a Star Dragon definitely longer than the time that has passed since the arrival of Chaos/the Old Ones?
and you're super special Loremaster's time,
He didn't spend our time. He allowed us to spend our own time if we felt like saving a few historical coins in the name of Human history.
We don't need to explicitly write anything to not do this. Boney mentioned that in case of death, we could specify that the story was recorded in Mathilde's notes she leaves for Grey College.
Yeah, I couldn't follow the thread consistently in the last few days and am currently catching up. I decided to pist a few comments on the way instead of posting one massive one. The drawback is that some of my questions might already be answered.
I find it hilarious people are more focused on making sure Egrimm van Horstmann doesn't publish before we do than figuring out if he's a cultist. We sure have our priorities straight :cool:
He hasn't given any IC indication that he is one. But he has given IC indication that he is a threat to our publishing primacy.
Why Wendred?
Less generously, the thread has history of gaining rewards from publishing things Mathilde has learned, and so despite it being a mere bedtime story (rather than, say, a months-long research project) some people may be expecting that there must be some way to gain College Favor from this
I don't know about others, but I explicitly don't care about the adjacent College Favor. It would make no sense to get currency for hearing a story once. I just want to share this one fairy tale with potential truth value with the rest of the world for IC reasons. As in, it's what I'd do in Mathilde's place. I don't want to publish it as a paper, but only sharing this little one-page story post-humously also doesn't feel quite right. Given full freedom I'd mail a copy to Algard in the hope that he stores it in the archiving room under "Dragon/Ulthuani/Deathfang" while keeping the original conspicuously in our library so that others can stumble on it and go "wtf".

That said, I have accepted BoneyM's judgement. Now I'd like maybe make a personal side project out of it, but I'm worried that plans containing AP towards that won't ever make it through due to low AP-to-CF return rate or not advancing Mathilde's power or competing with all of our other long form research projects.

But like, if some Dragon scholar came to Mathilde and said "I heard you've spoken to two Dragons multiple times and that's so rare for humans that I horde every scrap of info I can. Do you have anything for me?" then I'd be happy, even if it nets us less than half a favor with a random Verena cult branch somewhere in Tilea.
 
The great thing about land being bought and sold on an open market because its within a city is you can toss more money at the matter, so yes someone will be willing to sell land.
Assuming someone is selling land. And that there's an open market. And that land in the city doesn't have rules about who can own it. And that there's land Mathilde would want. And that the price is within reason. And that the price is monetary. Etc.
 
Assuming someone is selling land. And that there's an open market. And that land in the city doesn't have rules about who can own it. And that there's land Mathilde would want. And that the price is within reason. And that the price is monetary. Etc.
Someone, somewhere in the city of nuln is selling land. That is not an assumption, that is just going to be the case. If we want to be able to have a tower as a condition for our employment, whatever restrictions on who can own land can be made to not apply to her.
 
Assuming someone is selling land. And that there's an open market. And that land in the city doesn't have rules about who can own it. And that there's land Mathilde would want. And that the price is within reason. And that the price is monetary. Etc.
And assumes that there is air to breathe and water to drink.

Some assumptions are correct to make.

Besides, we can always work through a cat's paw, have local dwarves, the EIC, or Gabriella von Ernachtfen buy the land and sell it to us.
 
Assuming someone is selling land. And that there's an open market. And that land in the city doesn't have rules about who can own it. And that there's land Mathilde would want. And that the price is within reason. And that the price is monetary. Etc.

Nuln is a massive city - it doesn't operate on some unique bizarre rules because it is supposed to be a centre of commerce so people need clear rules in order to trade.
 
extract from the coming update:
The coming one already? I thought we'd first visit the being a Dwarf/talking to Thorgrim plot.
it pleases the Grand Countess to offer the position of Markgraf of Eastern Stirland to the Lady Magister; if that is not suitable to her for concerns of inheritance, the inheritable titles of
I'm confused by the meaning behind this? Does it mean that Markgraf is non-inheritable?
As it has been vouchsafed that the Lady Magister's trustworthiness and suitability are beyond reproach, the Chamberlain of the Imperial House invites the Lady Magister to act as Bodyguard and Tutor to Crown Prince Mandred...
Woah, seriously? Regardless of our reputation, I didn't expect that Luitpold would consider us suitable, due to political concerns more than anything. Maybe I am underestimating Heidi's power over him.


- The current plan for Mathilde's next raison d'être is similar to how romance was handled: a vote will be held where everyone is invited to vote for any offers they feel are interesting, and the most popular ones will have Mathilde seek more information about the arrangement before any final decisions are made.
- There will be other possibilities, these are just the ones that are arriving via Mathilde's inbox.
Cool stuff. I'll keep off on thinking about it too hard until I have the context of the actual update.

One thing I want to mention though is that there's good reason to follow up on the Wissenland offer even if we don't plan on actually accepting it, just for a unique opportunity for general insight into wider Imperial politics.

By the way, have letters like this been a usual occurrence that Mathilde simply skimmed over and discarded off-screen due to definitely not wanting to leave her current job, or is there a specific IC reason for all of these coming in now? If you already have an IC reason in mind, but don't want to share it yet, just say "yes".
 
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