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All the bones are in the desert, and the banners weren't exactly abandoned, someone went to a lot of trouble with each one to stick them upright in the stone.

Hmm, on the one hand doesn't seem like fighting is taking place outside the desert then, on the other someone is setting up the banners and presumably making sure they're not messed with. Can't say whether that information indicates it's more or less risky to stick around for a bit...
 
No matter what's up here, if Borek really did what he just did then he is our enemy.

There is no other reason for him to leave without even some explanaiton.

My believe is however a giant illusion.
I have another one. We don't know how good Golden Age Runework was at illusions. We do know that modern Runework is very good at enhancing things. What if, out of desperation, Karak Dum burned runes into their own flesh, enhancing their abilities far beyond that of normal Dawi, but at a cost. Such actions may have caused them to become something that physically resembles Morghur, at least to someone unfamiliar with what he really looks like.

"Morghur" could be Borek's wife or another close family member. It would explain the physical intimacy they displayed. It also explains him leaving without a word. Such actions would likely horrify the Longbeards back home and could even lead to attacks on Karak Dum by the rest of the Karaz Ankor. It would be better for all involved if it was believed that Karak Dum died.
 
You know I find it funny that this now makes 2 quests where an expedition to Dum encounters Beastmen that are potentially enslaved to dwarves.

Also keep in mind that without Borek we don't know any secret way into the Karak even if we could get through the forest.
 
Also, fuck Borek for just walking out on us immediately, leaving his entire Expedition hanging. A lot of people decided to march into hell with him for the sake of the mission. Him deciding to just walk off on his own into certain death the moment he saw Karag Dum is the height of disrespect and irresponsibility to the people who agreed to help him.

In his defence, the reaction to this scenario from pretty much any Dwarf would be the 'fuck this shit I'm out' song no matter what Borek said.

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Why didn't Borek mutate when Morghur reached out to touch him? Or to put question more clearly, from someone who only knows about Morghur from the wiki, it kinda seems like one of his powers is to mutate whatever he touches. Is that wrong of me to think, and it's not actually one of his powers?

That's what Mathilde has heard.

Does she still think that the mountain is designed to look like a herdstone from a distance?
And can she find the waystone flow to determine whether or not the flow of magic is consistent with it being converted into a herdstone?

No, she thinks Morghur is acting like it is, rather than it literally being transformed into an enormous monolith.

What is the literal Khazalid translation of 'Cor' as found in Cor-Dum?

Mathilde isn't aware of any. C isn't even a letter in Khazalid. The closest is 'kor', and that's only present in 'Ankor'.

Are the trees we're seeing consistent with having been displaced from Bretonnia?

Mathilde's breadth of knowledge does not extend to Bretonnian botany.

One last question, I know there was mention of it taking a month to reset the coin, but we've had it on Protector for longer than that, can we change to face now and just be unable to change it for another month?

No.

[] WRITE IN: either alter meeting protocol and invite Asarnil to the command meeting, or brief him on what's going on immediately after, if we're going to consider staying to scope out the situation, we need to convince him that command hasn't gone insane to try to prevent him from just flying off, as he's one of the other people on this expedition that can just leave if it looks like we're lost.

This is one of those 'remember to breathe' things that really don't need to be specified.

She said familiar. Can Mathilde remember where she saw them? Or is it just generic forest canopy of the empire tm. Just trying to figure out if this is part of Athel Loren or any other Wood Elf forest (which we have never seen).

They look no different to the woods of the Empire, to her extremely untrained eyes.
 
Right, so what I think is happening is that dwarfs of Karag Dum have known for a while the particulars of how Chaos energies interact with living beings in general and with dwarfs in particular. They also learned the process by which Morghur is getting reborn. When Chaos Wastes expanded, they suddenly found the need to fight in an environment extremely hostile to their bodies, perhaps to the point of overwhelming the usual rituals of Valaya. Left with no other choice, they used these particulars and perhaps some secrets of golem-making to create new bodies for themselves while keeping their minds, fully or just for those that fight outside of Karak, while also aping Morghur ritual for the most important/fighty individual to keep him alive through all the battles - perhaps the king, or another member of a Royal Clan to whom Borek is closely related. Borek knew that something like that is possible, but hoped that situation here would be better and that his compatriots and family wouldn't be driven to that.
 
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@BoneyM , when moratorium ends, we should vote in plan format, right? like this:
[ ] Plan A
-[ ] THEORY:
-[ ] ACTION:
[ ] Plan B
-[ ] THEORY:
-[ ] ACTION:
 
If it looks like dwarfs somehow bound Morghur then we should not leave just yet.
We're Grey Lord Magister. "Looks like" is not good enough for us. If Colleges wanted to know what really happened here guess who they would send?
And we are right here. Getting to the bottom of this is our job!
 
Honestly, the fact that Borek did not seem surprised throughout his whole interaction with "Morghur" is...troubling, to say the least. If this was an illusion cast by Karag Dum, Borek would definitely be surprised to suddenly find out that his Karag is not lost. Which, to me, suggests that he's either being mindfucked by Slaanesh...or something.

Yeah, this situation doesn't add up. But it's also so goddamned dangerous that I'm not sure it's even worth the risk to try to unravel it.

It's also just intensely unsatisfying that after everything we did for this expedition, after losing Gotrek to a fucking "rocks fall, everyone dies" moment, we have arrived at Karag Dum...and we still have no fucking answers and may end up leaving with no answers either.

@BoneyM : Why hasn't Mathilde already noticed how the term "Cor-Dum" popped into her head without even having any idea what "Cor" means or what language it's from, and how everyone seems to just accept the name immediately without question? She's trained for that kind of stuff, and she indeed noticed a far, far more subtle version of it a couple of weeks ago.
 
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Yo I don't think that's actually the Shadowgave. Maybe just bound beastmen with a lookalike, or fuck maybe even order aligned beastmen due to rune fuckery.
 
So we don't actually have anyone familiar with Beastmen, Ghur, Ghyran or Dwarven Runecraft with us, do we?
 
Okay, let's be honest guys. We have no fucking clue what's going on!

So instead of trying to scout out Dum or actually ask fucking Shadowgrave, I would suggest we actually ask people that we could conceivably fight off about the current situation.

The tribes.

Seriously, fuck going anywhere closer to that thing.
 
@BoneyM : Why hasn't Mathilde already noticed how the term "Cor-Dum" popped into her head without even having any idea what "Cor" means or what language it's from, and how everyone seems to just accept the name immediately without question? She's trained for that kind of stuff, and she indeed noticed a far, far more subtle version of it a couple of weeks ago.

Because that's what Dwarves actually call him. Thorek mentioned him a few updates back.

@BoneyM Do we need a theory? Can we just vote to gather additional data?

"So, Lady Magister Mathilde, Loremaster of Karak Eight Peaks, we're all very confused and we're hoping you can use your well-respected insight and keen magical senses to give us some idea of what's going on here."

"Dunno."

"Uh, any theories? At all?"

"Not really."
 
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When designing the Karag Dum Emblem, some people said it looked like they were Worshiping/Under chaos. Fucking Prophetic that.

Maybe I should have avoided using the star...
 
My expectation is the tribes know absolutely nothing about what is going on. Because it definitely seems to be something going out of its way to make sure they never find out.
 
If it looks like dwarfs somehow bound Morghur then we should not leave just yet.
We're Grey Lord Magister. "Looks like" is not good enough for us. If Colleges wanted to know what really happened here guess who they would send?
And we are right here. Getting to the bottom of this is our job!

Sure it is. Self-preservation is not somehow opposed to being a Grey Lord Magister.
 
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