- Location
- London
"I'm gonna be honest here, usually I would act super mysterious and give a vague answer, but this shit be weird."
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
-
- Tags
- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
"I'm gonna be honest here, usually I would act super mysterious and give a vague answer, but this shit be weird."
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Yeah, it definitely can be read as a "Fuck you" from BoneyM.
Last edited:
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
If that was my intention, I wouldn't have written all those words when two would have sufficed.
To Mathilde's eyes, they don't look any different to the ones of the Empire. But she's not really in the habit of paying much attention to trees.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Hmm, theory, Reikspiel didn't receive Cor-Dum directly from Khazalid, instead it traveled through an intermediary language like Brettonian that does like using C and chose to use C to represent a 'k' sound and the C was kept when the word was loaned to Reikspiel.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Are 'Chaos Dwarves' also a topic notably absent?
Er. Do Dwarves have words for 'Beastmen'?
- Location
- Hawaii
Finally caught up. My thoughts on this: the Runemasters of Dum strayed further into the kickflip zone than ever before out of desperation to hold out against the horses of Chaos. They either bound Morghur or created 'a Morghur' and use him as a gate guard with an ablative shield of beastmen. They might have metaphysically 'hollowed out' Morghur to put a Dwarf (probably a sacrifice of a kickflip runemaster) soul in the driver's seat, making this gestalt Morghur 'kin' to the Dawi of Dum. Perhaps this Morghur is equally affectionate with every Dwarf of Dum, or the Dwarf 'piloting' Morghur is close kin to Hotel specifically. The Dwarfs of Dum, regardless of whether they think the Karaz Ankor will accept their actions, are still determined to duck over Chaos, and acting as a lodestone drawing in and annihilating Chaos armies and Kurgan hordes serves to protect the order factions. Whether they believe themselves to still be loyal and duty bound to the Karaz Ankor, we cannot know unless we talk to someone in charge in Karag Dum. That's just my take on it, and I'm not a huge WHF lore nerd.
I think it's more likely to be a leftover from whatever knowledge Borek was talking about that he said others might prefer they forgot, sort of similar to how people call Mandred the Ratslayer nowadays without knowing why.
No, imo it's like the "oh shit" moment about the Wolves, Elfs and Nordlander stuff. It's the puzzle for us to solve.
- Location
- Spain
I think you should add this info to the Update, it is kind of important to know that we can actually present more than one theory to the council...
- Location
- sweden
On the place itself: obviously one of the two copied the others homework. I think they have overlayed reality of karag dum with the forests of the world to create a sort of proto fantasy webway with the mountain as the Commorragh
What happened to the Dwarves: I'm going to say that Chaos Dwarves 2.0 is not certain. The edgelords love to constantly blame the ancestors for abandoning them and being left for dead. Given that Karag Dum had two ancestor artifacts i believe that they could possibly hold. But if the corruption and manipulation has reached this point and the fucking Arch Beastman Shaman has laid this strong a claim to it? At best we have the canonical guerrilla dwarves, at worst Beast Dawi.
What to do: Snorri has the right of it. There is nothing that can be done here. The expedition can't make any forward action that doesn't immediately turn into a suicide mission. Maybe rangers can make an attempt at looking but they'd never get a message back. Maybe Matilde can make it through but even that is nothing more that a status check with a HIGH likelihood of death.
What happened to the Dwarves: I'm going to say that Chaos Dwarves 2.0 is not certain. The edgelords love to constantly blame the ancestors for abandoning them and being left for dead. Given that Karag Dum had two ancestor artifacts i believe that they could possibly hold. But if the corruption and manipulation has reached this point and the fucking Arch Beastman Shaman has laid this strong a claim to it? At best we have the canonical guerrilla dwarves, at worst Beast Dawi.
What to do: Snorri has the right of it. There is nothing that can be done here. The expedition can't make any forward action that doesn't immediately turn into a suicide mission. Maybe rangers can make an attempt at looking but they'd never get a message back. Maybe Matilde can make it through but even that is nothing more that a status check with a HIGH likelihood of death.
They do Gor, it's a dwarf word. That is also the root of Goraki, cunning, shows how much the dwarfs respect intrigue.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
We liberated a dwarf hold. We have never been certain we would ever get anything but death from venturing here. This has already been a massive success, where there was none guaranteed. This was always in the cards. Maybe don't be caustic and accusing QM from writing a perfectly valid and to be honest pretty amazing update. I haven't been this hyped (and scared) to read anything in pretty long while.
The library is on her character sheet, you can check.
Usually variations on 'Gor'.
I did.
Mathilde will present the leading theories and courses of action as possibilities to the rest of the Council. You may vote for multiples of each if you wish. Please use this format to vote for them:
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
The only thing that really fucking confuses me, is why the intimacy? Like everything else could be chalked under "We bound Cor-Dum" except the hair touching.
Fighting is in his nature.
Corrupting the surroundings is in his nature.
I could see taking trophy's.
I could see manipulating him to see something as a herdstone.
But tenderness? Nothing about him is tender.
So why?
Even if he's bound, why would that make him tender?
If he's an illusion, why program him to be tender?
If they have pact, why would he be tender?
I really think that's the key piece of the puzzle here. Just wish I could do more than a four piece Jigsaw.
Fighting is in his nature.
Corrupting the surroundings is in his nature.
I could see taking trophy's.
I could see manipulating him to see something as a herdstone.
But tenderness? Nothing about him is tender.
So why?
Even if he's bound, why would that make him tender?
If he's an illusion, why program him to be tender?
If they have pact, why would he be tender?
I really think that's the key piece of the puzzle here. Just wish I could do more than a four piece Jigsaw.
- Location
- Spain
Sorry, I did not notice...
To lay it out a bit more properly, my theory is:
1) Those are not actually Morghur and beastmen, those are dwarfs of Karag Dum.
2) They changed their bodies using the knowledge gained from living at the edge of the Wastes.
3) They did so because when the Wastes expanded, usual protection ritual failed, and they needed better bodies to either live here at all or to fight outside of the protection of the stone/runes.
4) "Morghur" is actually an important member of a Royal Clan/Runemaster that is either related to or knows Borek very closely, which is why he used a very intimate gesture.
5) Borek knew that such plan was possible, which is why he was not surprised, but he finds it horrible for obvious reasons, and thus orders us home.
@BoneyM, is there anything wrong with this theory that Mathilde would obviously know, but I missed?
1) Those are not actually Morghur and beastmen, those are dwarfs of Karag Dum.
2) They changed their bodies using the knowledge gained from living at the edge of the Wastes.
3) They did so because when the Wastes expanded, usual protection ritual failed, and they needed better bodies to either live here at all or to fight outside of the protection of the stone/runes.
4) "Morghur" is actually an important member of a Royal Clan/Runemaster that is either related to or knows Borek very closely, which is why he used a very intimate gesture.
5) Borek knew that such plan was possible, which is why he was not surprised, but he finds it horrible for obvious reasons, and thus orders us home.
@BoneyM, is there anything wrong with this theory that Mathilde would obviously know, but I missed?
Last edited:
I think @Alratan has the right of it. He was being reborn as a dwarf, killed the mother as he was born. The runemasters looked at the baby Morghur and saw an opportunity to protect the hold.
tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
- Location
- Ukraine
The theory about Dum Dwarfs somehow binding the Beastmen seems the one most plausible. It's unclear whether this is the real Morghur or not, then. Perhaps they bound him in a way that makes Dum Dwarfs in particular immune?
Whatever the case, I feel like we need to try and figure out what's going on, and the only one sneaky enough to get anywhere is Mathilde. So I say we propose scouting around, alone. Preferably as far away from Morghur as possible.
Whatever the case, I feel like we need to try and figure out what's going on, and the only one sneaky enough to get anywhere is Mathilde. So I say we propose scouting around, alone. Preferably as far away from Morghur as possible.
Well there's definitely illusions going on here somewhere. Borek definitely wouldn't let Morghur just touch him.
[X] THEORY: Karag Dum is under an illusion.
As for what we do now, I'd say get everyone prepared to run away while doing our best to dig up some information. We can ask the nearby tribes for information, dig up bones, ask fellow wizards about the forest, fire some cannons into the forest and if we're super crazy actually have someone enter the place.
Maybe fire a message attached to a crossbow bolt as well saying we're leaving and will report Karag Dum to be filled with corrupted dawi and Borek to be a chaos dwarf. That might get a response if they aren't corrupted as they try to repair their reputation.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
[X] THEORY: Karag Dum is under an illusion.
As for what we do now, I'd say get everyone prepared to run away while doing our best to dig up some information. We can ask the nearby tribes for information, dig up bones, ask fellow wizards about the forest, fire some cannons into the forest and if we're super crazy actually have someone enter the place.
Maybe fire a message attached to a crossbow bolt as well saying we're leaving and will report Karag Dum to be filled with corrupted dawi and Borek to be a chaos dwarf. That might get a response if they aren't corrupted as they try to repair their reputation.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
Last edited:
Nothing stands out. Mathilde doesn't know whether it's possible to completely transform a Dwarf without their 'turn to stone' thing interfering, but it's not really her area of expertise.
If it is an illusion controlled by dwarfs it would obviously react differently to a dwarf showing up than for example a Krugan warband.