Ascribe at least as much competence to the Expedition as you do the daemons. In every scenario there's going to be scouts and lookouts keeping an eye out for any actions the daemons might take.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Ascribe at least as much competence to the Expedition as you do the daemons. In every scenario there's going to be scouts and lookouts keeping an eye out for any actions the daemons might take.
- Location
- Russia
[X] Fortify the Karak entrance with the steam-wagons.
Canonically, those are two different Alrics (SP Alric is not the Alric from the Horstmann novel), they just became one person in the quest.
Just clogging and leaving would be a major blow to morale. And for good reason, it is rather a dick move.
Risking the wagons is effectively an attempt at sabotaging the expedition. We could certainly get away with it but it would be a betrayal of our mission.
The greater part of our martial strength is cavalry who will not benefit from a fortified position.
[X] Harass the Daemons with cavalry to slow them down enough that they cannot reach population centers in time.
[X] Send a warning west, clog the Waystone, and move on.
This is a job for an army, and it sounds like we don't need to investigate the hold to prevent it from returning to the warp afterwards, and we'll be able to unclog the waystone before there is any damage?
If Kislev has an army within range, this is the best choice.
This is a job for an army, and it sounds like we don't need to investigate the hold to prevent it from returning to the warp afterwards, and we'll be able to unclog the waystone before there is any damage?
If Kislev has an army within range, this is the best choice.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
What do the steam wagons do in either of these cases? And the expedition's non-mounted troops in the latter?
Johann is the one who personally knows three other Magisters and one Journeyman. He also has our trust. And that of the Dwarves. On the other hand we've never seen him lead anyone or anything other than wolf-rat pups.
@BoneyM Since we live in a Dwarf society and also know our Wizard colleagues for many years, do we know how much Dwarven Reputation Johann, Max and Hubert have?
Maybe without the "move on" part? I'd approve it.
This seems like taking the worst features of all options and mashing them together into a single horrible blunder. We risk 3 wagons a lot, we split our army for little gain and risk being defeated in detail, we misuse our cavalry either by trying to "harass" the daemons on the battlefield between the Karak and the first wagons or by excluding them from the fighting until literally all wagons are lost (I don't know which of the two you want) and we do all this while Mathilde herself, who proposed this plan, is booking it to Kislev.
Luckily no one on the Council would go for it, so all we lose is the rest of the leadership taking us seriously again during battle planning.
Isn't there a good chance that whoever set this up and/or maintains it has already located the closest Waystone and written down the information? They had 185 years to prepare after all and it's not some kind of impossible task or steep investment when it comes to securing your project just a little better.
Who says she doesn't know? She just didn't feel like monologuing or talking over Joerg when he had something to add.
Don't just read the vote option. Read the part where Joerg suggests it. The whole point is fortifying a choke point?
Mostly I trust that Snorri and the two knights aren't complete morons. After all they are the ones that have already scouted the area and would be choosing which choke point is best for the job.
Every single wagon broadside has vulnerable wheels. They will all need lengthy repairs if the daemon army is merely strong enough to reach our fortifications partially intact despite the cannons and crossbows.
It would slow them down where time is of the essence. Also by the same vein, what prevents them from using one of Vlag's longer secret tunnels or Underway equivalent to bypass the front door siege and either attack us from behind or ignore us?
Preliminary vote before I get my info, in case I don't find the time later.
[x] Fortify the Karak entrance, but keep the steam-wagons disengaged.
[x] Fortify the road to Kislev to keep the Daemons isolated from population centers.
[x] Harass the Daemons with cavalry to slow them down enough that they cannot reach population centers in time.
- Location
- Germany
[x] Fortify the Karak entrance with the steam-wagons.
[x] Fortify the Karak entrance, but keep the steam-wagons disengaged.
[x] Fortify the Karak entrance, but keep the steam-wagons disengaged.
- Location
- Leeds
You know what they say, a fair compromise is one that leaves all parties unhappy.
- Location
- Titan
They don't really kill each other (unless they are on already opposing armies like a Tzeentch Cult vs a Khorne Cult as opposed to part of an Undivided army) when summoned or in an incursion to achieve goals. There is plenty enough time for backstabbing in the Realm of Chaos.
Part of the fortifications in the former, largely twiddling their thumbs in the latter.
I spend more time than I'd like fielding questions from people trying to pick apart the Dwarf Favour abstraction when it's just Mathilde, I'm not quantifying every other character as well. You can get a general idea by considering their history in the quest.
See previous comments re: Expedition being competent. There will be scouts and lookouts watching the daemons, If they start beelining through the mountains towards the Waystone, the Expedition will see that and react to it.
No. It's the dying that's significant, not the killing.
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Or there will be survivors... Of a new breed of Chaos Dwarves.
Chaos Dwarfs tend to bind daemons into weapons and generally enslave them to the engines of industry not share space with them.
[x] Fortify the road to Kislev to keep the Daemons isolated from population centers.
It's Slaanesh - short of the odd demon prince they have no flyers, unless you count those overgrown imps (neutral demons)
- Location
- Argentina
A 3 out of 4.
A 2 out of 6
So, in light of what we know, I think that we can assume a couple things:
1) There is a kind of resistance in Vlag, or it is not occupied fully.
2) This thing took almost the worst reaction for us, which means that the ideal would ahve been to increase the memetic field or just ignore us. That would have been really efficient. Possibly the worst reaction would have been to permanently phase back and begin the attack. In which case it would have eaten a dragon straight on.
3) The ability to respond was almost the worst for us, and those were rank and file daemons. What would be the worst? A bigger daemon or a sorcerer of some kind. I don't know if human chaos sorceres actually travel the warp, but if they do, that could be a problem, because it will survive.
Still, I think that the most spells are cast, the less magic to sustain the daemons will be. Now, I wonder if we can simply starve daemons by casting a fuckton of spells nearby and depleting the winds.
There's an indication that sharing space is not voluntary.
Chaos is not exactly standardized and 'wings' is a pretty common mutation.
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- He/Him
[X] Fortify the road to Kislev to keep the Daemons isolated from population centers.
[X] Harass the Daemons with cavalry to slow them down enough that they cannot reach population centers in time.
[X] Harass the Daemons with cavalry to slow them down enough that they cannot reach population centers in time.
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Of mortals. When you look at the canonical demon armies, Slaanesh only has demon princes for flyers. Plus the neutral gargoyles, but they are too weak (and canonically cowardly) to fight a dragon to a standstill
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
[x] Fortify the Karak entrance with the steam-wagons.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
So this vote risks the steam wagons just as much as the first one? In that case shouldn't it also be split in two? Or is there a reason why fortifying at the gates without steam wagons is feasible but doing so on the road is not?
Twiddling their thumbs while driving in which direction and how far?
React to it, yes. But what would they actually be able to do if we go woth one of the latter three options?
Option 4 has all our forces at a distance and in a position where climbing mountains is difficult, though doable. Option 5 has our cavalry potentially out of position and our infantry driving out of easy reach. Option 6 you have already confirmed to not being able to deal with it, but the loss would merely be a return to status quo.
Am I misreading something?
New breed.
Slaaneshi Dwarves (or pocket-chaos-dimension Dwarves who sacrificed their way of lives and souls to something else in order to withstand Slaanesh) are probably very different from Hashut Dwarves that have lived in fortress dominated slave empires for millennia.
- Location
- Finland
Compromise solutions are just going to get people killed here.
We do not have the numbers to do everything, we must pick a strategy, and then commit to it, halfway solutions just leave us weakened, and the daemons are not morons, they can, and will, hit us in our weakest if we leave obvious openings.
We do not have the numbers to do everything, we must pick a strategy, and then commit to it, halfway solutions just leave us weakened, and the daemons are not morons, they can, and will, hit us in our weakest if we leave obvious openings.
No, steam-wagons on the actual road are a lot more able to move if things go wrong than steam-wagons up a side path and parked in a semi-circle around the entrance.
Exact details like this are yet to be decided.
Having cavalry native to mountainous terrain and also a dragon seems like it would allow for a possibility or two.
Thinking from the daemon perspective:
-If they exit and there's a large armed force camped at the door
--They would attack it, its guaranteed lives taken and while it reduces the overall forces somewhat in the process, they can try to momentum roll it into reaching the nearest village. If they capture any alive they can be questioned to DEFINITELY locate a settlement rather than blind traveling.
-If they exit and there's nobody there
--They can straight line travel to the nearest settlement that they remember, however there is no guarantee that the settlement is still there, and due to wildly different mobility across daemon types(Slaaneshi do not have a consistent flyer category), they will arrive piecemeal if at all.
--They can follow roads. Roads are good for traveling fast if you can sprint tirelessly and almost every unit type can follow them. Roads are likely to have travelers or villages along the route, while all daemons can engage together, overwhelming most mobile enemies.
Unless they have up to date intelligence on a specific target, if they find the expedition fortified somewhere its better to attack than to bypass - attacking trades uncertain losses for certain time extensions and information on suitable attack targets. And if they do not they'd head down the road, because any other route leaves "several daemons attack isolated places" rather than "daemonic army wipes out villages"
-If they exit and there's a large armed force camped at the door
--They would attack it, its guaranteed lives taken and while it reduces the overall forces somewhat in the process, they can try to momentum roll it into reaching the nearest village. If they capture any alive they can be questioned to DEFINITELY locate a settlement rather than blind traveling.
-If they exit and there's nobody there
--They can straight line travel to the nearest settlement that they remember, however there is no guarantee that the settlement is still there, and due to wildly different mobility across daemon types(Slaaneshi do not have a consistent flyer category), they will arrive piecemeal if at all.
--They can follow roads. Roads are good for traveling fast if you can sprint tirelessly and almost every unit type can follow them. Roads are likely to have travelers or villages along the route, while all daemons can engage together, overwhelming most mobile enemies.
Unless they have up to date intelligence on a specific target, if they find the expedition fortified somewhere its better to attack than to bypass - attacking trades uncertain losses for certain time extensions and information on suitable attack targets. And if they do not they'd head down the road, because any other route leaves "several daemons attack isolated places" rather than "daemonic army wipes out villages"
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