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We have more fun without the extra responsibility and troublesome requirements.

And we already have stifled position.
I don't know, I think it'd be fun, so I'm obviously not in the we you're talking about.

And by titled position I'm referring to one of the ones in here:
Here's a significantly improved version of the Grey College org chart, with my thanks to @BoneyM for his insights.
Which I see as a path to Grey Matriarch, and on to the top spot.
 
I agree sorry. It is a fun thought experiment. We might be able to beat Dragomas. Don't think that we could get good enough at spell dueling to hold out against all comers. Well if we just get really great at counter spelling then beating people with a sword counts as spell duel? Counter spelling is a good skill to cultivate in any case.

@BoneyM : Is it "safe" to practice counter spelling? Seems like an activity likely to result in all sorts of miscasts.
I mean, we are on the way to being a loremaster like Gelt.

he kept the job just by being a really good generalist.
 
Only the most basic forms of dispelling. More active and aggressive forms of counterspelling can't be practiced without it being extremely likely that someone's going to eat a miscast.
So in general wizards get their dispel experience from actual combat. Well I guess it might in theory it is possible to capture an enemy magic users and use them to practice your counter spelling until they die from miscast, but that seems really dangerous and if you can manage it you likely don't need it.
 
I think the issue with becoming leader of the Colleges through a duel is not just in defeating Dragomas.

It's in the fact that you can be challenged by everybody else, too. So, you think you've found One Weird Trick to defeat a Dragon-transforming Wizard, huh. That's great. And what about Colleges 2 through 8? What about everybody else as good at Battle Magic, or just at duelling specifically, as Dragomas is at his specialization? And which you don't have an OOC (and some IC) insight into? And which can be total surprises?

Not only that, but... I don't want the responsibility and authority of having to contend with leading and managing all the 8 Colleges of Magic. Even if we could do it, I wouldn't want to do this. Even if we were way better at Diplomacy and had lots of experience and time devoted to politicking and conducting diplomacy in the Empire and within the Colleges of Magic specifically. But we don't. We're out on the edges, having spent a bunch of time in a Dwarf Hold.

I'd rather go into researching Waystones and doing stuff with Karak Eight Peaks, Karak Vlag, and Karag Dum. And also hopefully doing that in a way that doesn't enflame Dwarf tensions or put more responsibility and weight of expectation on Belegar; I actively don't want Belegar to think about going for High King-ship. I don't think it would be good for him. And I don't think we could follow up on our deeds of saving Vlag and Dum even if we somehow assume we are wildly and totally successful with both Vlag and Dum despite not knowing what's about to come here and now. No, if anything, I'd rather reconcile Belegar and Thorgrim. Make it possible for them to work together. Because I think they could do good things, if they were on the same page. Thorgrim probably has more acclaim amongst the older or more traditional Dwarfs. While Belegar probably has some "new rising hotshot" popularity amongst radicals or young-ish Dwarfs. But, I just think that means that the two of them should reconcile, and find a way to cooperate. Rather than one King's way replacing the other's.

No no no! You see, We go in, beat dragomas, but just as were about to take the staff, we concede!

We don't want the position, we just want to prove that we are the topper dog when it comes to magic! But we would suck at administrating all of the colleges! why is that position determined by a duel of all things?
 
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Alexandra took a deep breath, glancing at a nearby puddle to make sure everything was correct and proper. She adjusted her hat, straightened her robes, unfolded and refolded her letter of introduction. Then, with all the excuses she had to delay over and done with, she opened the door to the inn and went to meet a legend.

The first thing she thought about seeing The Dämmerlichtreiter was that she should have been taller - the woman had summoned a dragon of smoke and flame to lay the necromancers in Drakenhof low. She had cut down vampires with a sword forged of darkness by the greatest Dwarven smiths. She had burned one to ash with the weight of her gaze. And that wasn't even getting into the things she had heard about Karak Eight Peaks, more than half of which she discarded as nonsense, especially about her being so terrifying to beastmen that they opened their throats rather than face her. She knew beastmen too well for that.

A figure who did all that should stand as tall as the Heldenhammer did. But instead, she was a slim figure, practically a girl, barely taller than a dwarf. Any notion of underestimating her vanished as soon as Alexandra saw her eyes though.

They were an eerie amber. Her gaze was ancient and mischievous by turns, like she had seen the worst the world had and dared it to go further. Like she saw right into the heart of you and found it amusing. Meeting them made Alexandra swallow and hastily shift, her focus moving to an undefined point somewhere over the Lady Magister's shoulder.

There she saw a torch, guttering low, the smoke drawing itself to wrap around her shoulders like a lover's caress. The other wizard seemed not to notice in the slightest, instead asking a few questions. Even those simple answers took all her focus to answer properly, and she nearly stumbled over the titles.

Still, she did not seem displeased and dismissed her cordially enough. Alexandra backed away and turned to find her own lodgings when she noticed the shadow stretching across the floor to her...was this another mark of magic, or simply The Dämmerlichtreiter letting her know she was being watched?

Either way, Alexandra had the feeling this was going to be a very long trip.

I saw someone make a post a while back about why Alexandra might have seemed uncomfortable with Mathilde, and decided to write this.

Who is Alexandra?
 
My favorite parts of the quest are when we are doing skullduggery and skulking and adventure.

Doing downtime research stuff is fun, but gets kinda old after a while.
 
One of our colleagues on this venture.

Third to arrive is a woman of about forty wielding what looks like a reinforced wall sconce. "Journeywoman Alexandra Kohler," she introduces herself as.

"Kohler by name or occupation?" you ask curiously. Charcoal burners tend to be hardy and careful sorts, as a proper burn takes at least a week, during which the fire must be closely watched.

"Formerly both, in the Nattern Forest. Beastmen attacked, and I discovered I could put fire to a different use."

"A fellow Stirlander. Northern or Southern Nattern?"

"Northern, a ways west of Klam."

A former subject of the Countess of Wolfsbach then, rather than of Anton. "Elemental Aqshy, then?"
 
I mean, we are on the way to being a loremaster like Gelt.

he kept the job just by being a really good generalist.
Gelt got and kept the job by being a very skilled wizard and warrior. Canonically he defeated Gormann (who had held the position for 24 years, uninterrupted) by piggybacking a spell onto one of Gormann's attacks.
 
You know though, I honestly have to wonder what's going to be going through people's heads next update. Like, we just rattled off a need for several Lord Magisters and at least one of the two greatest Runelords alive, plus a few months of experimentation and lots of reference material to crack this problem... then stop and say "actually you know what? I'll do it myself. Just give me a few days max."

Like, if it were me, I would suddenly want to be as far away as possible from whatever crazy bullshit Mathilde is suddenly planning.
 
You know though, I honestly have to wonder what's going to be going through people's heads next update. Like, we just rattled off a need for several Lord Magisters and at least one of the two greatest Runelords alive, plus a few months of experimentation and lots of reference material to crack this problem... then stop and say "actually you know what? I'll do it myself. Just give me a few days max."

Like, if it were me, I would suddenly want to be as far away as possible from whatever crazy bullshit Mathilde is suddenly planning.
It is likely to be very epic. Also kind of long with more dice rolls than we normally see in a single update. Because once we set things in motion the decisions on our side all become very obvious. Just hold out until the demons stop coming. No need for more votes on our end. Similarly the rest of the expedition doesn't need our advise on how to hold out for awhile. This isn't like any other battle we have been in. It doesn't make any sense for Mathilde to try and sneak in to kill leaders or anything tricky like that. The battle is a pure slog really. The demons try to kill us and we don't let them. If we continue to not let them for a few days we win.

We have avoided this type of simple traditional fight that songs get sung about every other opportunity that it has come up. This time though it is going to happen.
 
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It is likely to be very epic. Also kind of long with more dice rolls than we normally see in a single update. Because once we set things in motion the decisions on our side all become very obvious. Just hold out until the demons stop coming. No need for more votes on our end. Similarly the rest of the expedition doesn't need our advise on how to hold out for awhile. This isn't like any other battle we have been in. It doesn't make any sense for Mathilde to try and sneak in to kill leaders or anything tricky like that. The battle is a pure slog really. The demons try to kill us and we don't let them. If we continue to not let them for a few days we win.

We have avoided this type of simple traditional fight that songs get sung about every other opportunity that it has come up. This time though it is going to happen.
"I'm going to try something. If it works, there's probably going to be a lot of daemons angry at us, so you'll want to get fortifications sorted out soonest."

And there was one other time Mathilde went in favor of standard Dwarven tactics - Waaagh Birdmuncha. I do rather like the phrase "wade up a stream of crossbow bolts".
 
We have avoided this type of simple traditional fight that songs get sung about every other opportunity that it has come up. This time though it is going to happen.
Not even, necessarily. It has been noted—by Boney even—that the daemons are going to have to find where the next Waystone we even pick is, let alone travel to it, and then get to it. Also, the "few days" timer which I'm imagining to be three, maybe four days if we're really unlucky, is the absolute maximum for them. So if the Waystone is, like, a day away for travel going straight and with Mathilde's guidance? I wouldn't be surprised if it them at least two days to find, maybe more. Even that might be enough to avoid everything but the strongest, most long-lasting daemon. Two days straight travel? I would be really amazed if they ever reached us.

Of course, there could be non-daemons among the enemy, but I'm not sure I would trust counting that yet.

EDIT: actually @BoneyM do we know how distant Waystones usually are from each other?
 
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