The only reasonable way for the clogging to fail is explosively. We are messing with more than enough power to kill ourselves with only the most basic understanding of how this works. By the same token the odds that we turn off the power and the ritual somehow keeps working does not seem at all likely The Chaos Sorcerer would not be drawing that power in if they did not need it.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The only reasonable way for the clogging to fail is explosively. We are messing with more than enough power to kill ourselves with only the most basic understanding of how this works. By the same token the odds that we turn off the power and the ritual somehow keeps working does not seem at all likely The Chaos Sorcerer would not be drawing that power in if they did not need it.
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Yeah, what I am saying is, we had no indication that the clogging rituat is evel failable, barring catastrophic misfortune.
Its whether it does anything at all which is much more uncertain.
This is not a ritual, no one specifically taught Mathilde how to make Waystones stop working only how to fix them. This is her improvising while dealing with enough power to atomize herself.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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Because the alternative is that nothing happens which is boring to talk about so thread discussion is naturally centered around the more interesting outcome.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
No, there are many ways for clogging to fail without it resulting in explosions. For one, we could fail to actually clog it, with the energy just passing around/through all the Dhar we can safely channel.
And even if it ends explosively, there's actually a decent chance that Mathilde would survive the explosion. Our Belt turns any Dhar around us into fire, which we are immune to, and the Seed means that simply inflict mortal wounds on us isn't enough to actually kill us. So the explosion has to be bad enough to physically tear our limps apart and even then I am not convinced it wouldn't "just" cripple us.
How many times and ways did Boney say 'messing with Waystones is dangerous, my dudes' again?
I remember around six.
I think there was a redit argument on the RPG about 'what happens if they counter my counter of their counter etc' were one of the writers piped in.
it was something about 'a counter volly will work, but the difficulty and miscast cost gets higher for both, (starting with the caster's turn) until one loses the roll.' as the magic gets more and more agitated, out of control and annoyed with both of the wizerds.'
so its arguable that countering a counter can work, but its not often worth it as your even less likely to pass the roll and even more likely to go boom. so its recommended to just cross your fingers and eat the first one.
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Two times. Drakenhof was also standard Dwarf tactics.
Quest format is interactive with a large audience, and large groups of people tend to settle on the common denominator, which are usually tropes or stereotypes. So even when the QM is great, and subtle, and tactful, the other part of the creative process is a hundred voices trying to shout in unison, which won't handle a sensitive topic well. And if the audience is not allowed by the QM to take part in handling that topic, it won't be central for the quest, would it?
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I don't know if that's enough. In my opinion BoneyM handled the romance subplot great initially and had great plans for it, but in the end decided that he had to scrap those plans due to player emotions and player behavior.
I thought corrupted Waystones are mostly useful due to Dhar creation and the influx of magic from previous Waystones in the chain. If Karak Dum is the first in its own chain then it might not grant all that much power compared to just being in the Wastes. And even if power normally flows both ways (all Holds have Valaya runes powered by the main battery in KaK after all), Dum might not be getting anything there either due to Vlag missing.
Reading these things and seeing them in real life is very different. If anything, having read the direct line between shoulder revealing and raunchy kinky sex over and over again could very well make an inexperienced virgin more flustered in that situation than someone who hasn't been exposed to these ideas at all.
So when you count terms per College are you adding together the time of people who didn't manage a whole term or does a shortened term still count?
Or did I again forget something and the duels for Supreme Patriarch only happen once every eight years?
Great art is often created in the confines of limitations.
He was literally frozen solid for 2-3 expansions/years.
This is true for a general quest that ends up at the topic. Like a normal Bretonnia quest were a series of choices ends with the MC being both male and magic-capable, and then introducing a genderswitch mark.
But you can also start with a quest specifically with that premise. That means there's a self selection in the audience, and also justifies kicking out people who aren't willing to adhere to the spirit of the game. And it also helps framing the quest so people handle things appropriately.
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- Australia
@BoneyM, is this the actual history of the halflings and of pies or just what Mathilde believes?
Asheram
Not quite altogether
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- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
It's the real (British) history of pies. Back in the day, pie crusts were just flour and water to act as a shell around meats and possibly jellies as preservation.
Edit: Read more about it here. I suspect it became so popular in Britain due to it being a staple diet of the Roman soldiery. Easy enough to hand out half a loaf of bread and a pie to a soldier in the field.
Edit2: Disclaimer, sweet pie crusts were still a thing but rather unsuitable for long-time preservation.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
BoneyM already asked people to drop this topic why are you all continuing to discuss it here? Take it to pms.
The Karaz-Ankors Waystones work differently from the normal, Ulthuan-centric network. According to Boney, only the Waystones in the Karaks actually collect magic, the Waystones between the Karaks do not have this feature, they only direct the flow of power between Karaks. This makes them much harder to find for potential bad actors, increasing the security of this vital part of Dwarven infrastructure. Since there are no other Karaks north of Vlag, all the power that is used to keep Vlag trapped in the Warp has to have been collected in Karak Dum. Which makes sense, the Dum Waystone is situated in an environment that is operating under constant Storm of Magic conditions, so there is lots of magic to siphon.
Even if it can't power the Rune of Valaya of the Hold due to being cut off from KaK (and i wouldn't bet on that, Dum Runepriests were presumably pretty hardcore and they had a lot of time to prepare for being overtaken by the Chaos Wastes), at least it should take away so much magic that Chaos can't freely spawn Daemon armies inside of the Hold, or do any other reality warping bullshit common to the Chaos Wastes, like massive time dilation or spontaneously turning walls into quivering piles of bleeding flesh. That's a big boost to defensibility.
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This reminds me of counter wars on disgaea games.
Actually, Boney didn't say anything about discussing the feasibility of trans quest, he wanted us to drop a different (albeit very related, but not related enough that people discussing the feasibility of a trans quest has touched upon) topic. Trans discussion isn't what distresses people, and it shouldn't, the existence of trans people should not be political, and honestly, a blanket ban on all trans discussion would leave even more people, including me, distressed. What can be distressing to think about is... well, I cannot clarify what I think is banned without bringing up the topic, so I hope I am correct on what the topic banned seems to actually be, although to me it seems pretty obvious. If people want to know what I think is the distressing topic here, I can PM them with it.
If my estimation is wrong, @BoneyM please tell me so so that I do not violate the rules on accident.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Not what I said, nor would I ever suggest it. This also isn't the venue to have this discussion there's absolutely no relation to this quest with this discussion.
I agree, something can be perfectly appropriator and interesting to discuss in general and still be wildly off topic.
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I kid you not, I thought you were referring to the post about pies.
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- Greece
That is fair, it is unrelated, and if you claim that it should be stopped on those grounds I do not disagree, I just do not think it is what the QM asked us not to talk about, and would rather have that clarified for future reference.
I think it's not the direction Boney asked the thread to drop, but no big deal for me, okay. It is offtopic, after all.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
That's fair, I'm just sort of also aware of how discussions like this can lead to miscommunication even between like minded people and cause flaming rows and it's not relevant to the topic of the thread in general, I also adhere to the idea that banning 'political' topics is generally a huge mis step that unduly enshrines the political status quo. That said unless something is germane to the quest setting in general or comes up in more immediate context of updates it doesn't feel like this would be the place to have this discussion.
This discussion has sort of brought up a thing that's simmered in the back of my mind for a while that the colleges of magic heavily promote and want their adherents to gain arcane marks, and many of those marks have mutagenic effects on body and soul. I do wonder how many of the colleges wizards eventually begin to feel severe body dysphoria especially for the more extreme marks. Are all the people that gain arcane marks okay with them having them? Does any experience anguish over that fact or is the fact the soul is being manipulated in tandem suppress this in some way and so it just feels okay/normal to the person effected?
I don't think all wizards are ok with all marks. The forgettable face mark for example would be hard, especially if you're a social person. I would compare those to people learning to deal with disabilities, both mental and physical. And some would just be annoying.
But I don't think body dysphoria is a common thing (in the sense of "this body does not reflect who I actually am". Something like phantom limb syndrom might turn up). The changes in your body are the result of changes to your soul. If anything, a lack/suppression may produce dysphoria. You can still dislike something about your body without feeling it misrepresents a core part of you.
This discussion seems kinda like pointless spitballing given we know nothing about the subject right now. We don't even know what the connection between the soul and the mind is. Perhaps we aught to revisit it after we spent some AP on Soullore / taming Mathildes Marks?
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