Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Before the Ninth Gate
We do for the turn immediately after, at which point I want to hand the EIC off to the Hochlander to get to 5 actions. If we want an adventuring buddy, we can grab him through the duckling stuff.
Panoramia literally has all winter for combat. She's drowning in AP.
If it was engineering, sure. But I don't think we are going to do a lot of engineering research in the future, instead focusing on magic. And he is bad at that. He's only good a limited amount of magic, and even then, he's good at applying the spells, not investigating the spells.
To make an analogy, he can use some premade tools on the internet to do research, but only has access through those tools, and has no idea how to make more, or interest in making more. He's doing very good work with those tools though.
I'm pretty sure he just speaks the actual words for the spell itself, and never learned the language.
For the record, having dyslexia myself, I'm really impressed with what he's done despite his disabilities (this is literally what it is, he doesn't have the ability to do much of magic). But when looking for a person in our employ (leaving alone the dating thing for a second), he was really useful when we had something in his area of expertise. But now that we've left that area, he isn't that useful.
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Heh. Cython is a neatnik, and does not want Skaven trash on his lawn.
"Ooh, this is new, and interesting! Tell me more!" I like this version of a knowledge-seeker dragon.
Nice phrasing to reflect the oddness of Eltharin. Very nice that it says we are a welcome neighbor. And that's going to be a fun thing to deliver to Belegar, or whoever else is responsible for "Things the
That's very interesting... Ice Dragon is not just Hysh magic, it seems. And promising for the Bookwyrm plans.
A nice collection of "Fuck Chaos and Vampires".
Heh. Nice linguistic geekery.
Nice that the Morrite Knight and Dorf Guardian know Mathilde by "Grey Robe + Witch-Hunter Hat." Good on The Hochlander for making more contacts (and hitching a ride to make the event). Somewhat curious why Melkoth is here, assuming it's not for the booze. Not really surprised Krammovitch is here - he can go places for information that can deniably be filtered to the Hedgewise, who definitely need it. Not at all surprised that Morrites are dubious about Elspeth von Draken - I am very curious what she's talking about with the Damsel, but it's likely not immediately relevant.
Gah. More evidence the Grand Theogonist needs a Clue-Hammer to the face. Hmm... perhaps Roswita could bring her K8P-gromril sword the next time she is scheduled to meet with him, just to be able to T-pose with it.
Love the schadenfreude-induced giggle here. And at least those dozens waiting in the shadows will be having to dust off plans to fill those voids, and then fight with every other vampire who is trying the same thing... and all the Hunters who are watching for them to do just that.
I hope Mathilde made some notes of people who have a chance of making the list of "the good ones".
Congratulations, Roswita - you have officially Done Good.
Not sure I really consider either of them romance material, but I definitely want to continue friendships. Partially because I love the idea of an Ice Dragon librarian. And for Roswita, I've kinda slotted her into "younger cousin" territory - she's getting to the point where she can stand on her own, but it's still nice to watch over her.
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Drive is another thing that Johann and Mathilde share. Both became Magister at young ages dispite setbacks (Johann's bigger then Matty's) and Mathilde is angling for Lord Magister now while Johann wants to literally make his body into a testement to his mastery to stick it to the culture that wrote him off.
No, we only get the half action back if we fire Johann and Maximilian. And leaving Johann out of it, I really don't want to fire Maximillian, because he's great help in research. Both writing papers and general investigation.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
I'm pretty sure everyone we are interested in has drive, except the dragon and maybe Oswald (I just don't know enough about him). Panoramia, for example, disdained the religious parts of the Jade College, and decided to head out and make a barren wasteland fertile all by herself (with some help from corpses).
Roswita invented an entirely new way to attack vampires, and has dedicated her life to doing so.
Anton keeps bumbling into good fortune, and Mathilde is sure that it must be on purpose somehow.
No, they both cost a half action each, for a total of 1 action. I want to dump EIC and Johann, and keep Maximilian.
Not a hundred percent sure, but should this be either "dedicated to the stamping out of the Forbidden Lores" or "dedicated to stamping out the Forbidden Lores"?
... Or, uh, maybe it's actually "dedicated to the stamping out of Forbidden Lores" I'm not sure. Hm. But that would make it "stamping out of Forbidden Lores of the Daemonic Powers" which hmm...
I guess the simplest would be to remove the first "the".
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
In order:
I don't think to many people are willing to give up the EIC, and if we don't then we would have to fill up Johann's slot.
Panoramia's thoughts on her Free AP are:
Plus she is a free agent unlike Johann, who we can literally tell to just come help us Punch shit, and who ahs helped punch shit of his own voalition in the past.
Johann has three incredibly useful spells:
Breach the Unknown: Unlocks all secrets of an object, from material composition to its properties, including that of magical items.
Tale of Metal: By touching a metal object, you can see the circumstances of its creation as if you were there.
Trial and Error: Magically guide the actions of allies near you, giving them a reroll.
Which are very useful for our job of "Poke weird shit that crops up." I mean seriously, he can "prove" the existence of Gods, with one of them.
And as for work for him, we are about to go on a journey north were, I imagine we might pick up a few neat things. And I'm sure weirds thigns will crop up around us. Plus hell, give him a proper Diplomacy class, and he'd be able to act as our Diplomacy advisor, if we need to give him work to do. Or hell just treat him as a Trial and Error
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- Singapore
I won't support dumping the EIC action until that canal is done, and the Marienburg crisis is clearly over, and even then, that half AP could go to hiring another minion to allow Mathilde to do even more with her limited time in something specific, such as research.
As for the half actions - do keep in mind that making them applicable to a broader class of possible action, most specifically one general research action per half AP is locked behind a Research Institute /Bran College Gread Deed. If the intent is to free that one AP for something like blue sky research, it feels kind of silly to reduce the number of "Minions" when WOG is that it's fully possible, with a Great Deed expenditure to make "employees" invaluable assets for Blue Sky Research. Half Actions are not AP drains - rather they represent the magic of Mathilde having minions, to be able to do more with her limited time.
Obviously, you might want the AP to be freed for something else other than research, but in the status quo of recent thread voting patterns during turn planning votes, I can see that AP being fought over for Blue Sky Research Actions, now that AV shows what can often lie at the end of such trees. If that's the case, we might as well use that AP to get 2 research actions via the magic of having minions to collaborate with.
As for the half actions - do keep in mind that making them applicable to a broader class of possible action, most specifically one general research action per half AP is locked behind a Research Institute /Bran College Gread Deed. If the intent is to free that one AP for something like blue sky research, it feels kind of silly to reduce the number of "Minions" when WOG is that it's fully possible, with a Great Deed expenditure to make "employees" invaluable assets for Blue Sky Research. Half Actions are not AP drains - rather they represent the magic of Mathilde having minions, to be able to do more with her limited time.
Obviously, you might want the AP to be freed for something else other than research, but in the status quo of recent thread voting patterns during turn planning votes, I can see that AP being fought over for Blue Sky Research Actions, now that AV shows what can often lie at the end of such trees. If that's the case, we might as well use that AP to get 2 research actions via the magic of having minions to collaborate with.
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Needing particularly sharp magical senses is not a requirement for being able to get a vague sense of the powers behind a literal act of god murdering a million or so sapients. It's what you might call 'pretty overt' if you're the sort to criminally understate anything and everything but 'blindingly obvious' for everybody else.
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- Mid-Atlantic
OK. That's fine. Would you mind presenting some examples of times or places where you believe the two show romantic chemistry? I can't really dig for it for the next three hours or so, but if you can pass me some links and maybe say "here, when they're talking about ratling gun feed mechanisms" or whatever, that would help.
I just don't feel like the chemistry was there during the recent Romance update. They didn't seem to be striking sparks off each other, so to speak, only off the situation, at least to me.
Which is why the Johann update seems to compare a bit unfavorably to the Panoramia update for purposes of proto-romantic chemistry or lack thereof, because the chemistry was there.
Panoramia got into Mathilde's feelings in a way that Johann didn't seem to do, in what were not identical but were broadly speaking parallel situations.
Yes, but there's "relationship would give the QM real trouble and go against established characterization," and there's "relationship probably isn't the one that would make Mathilde happiest and might very well go sour in the long run because the two have incompatible ambitions and want different things out of the relationship."
For example, this is a problem with a relationship with Roswita (and for that matter, Anton). As landed nobility, both of them are likely to spend the rest of their lives focused on the prosperity and welfare of a specific patch of land. If we're not interested in spending much or most of Mathilde's life in and around that patch, or at least interested in that patch and commuting via teleporter or something somehow... That's a problem for Mathilde. Even if there's romantic chemistry and even if there's a lot to like about the character.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Question for the thread: which would make a better librarian, Dragon or We? Because I remember something about the We running the library for U of K8P.
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- Denmark
I think that this touches on one of my (admittedly few) reasons for disliking the Panoramia romance option: I don't really see her with that drive. She seems perfectly happy right where she is and is probably right in that nothing would really change if she went back to take her Magisterial exams, and it would be wrong to call her unambitious because what she's trying to do is rather impressive and will likely be the work of years, if not decades, but...
Well, that's just it. She has her project and she's basically settled down for the next many years to work at that one project.
I don't ever see the thread - and by extension, Mathilde - ever really settling down like that.
Sure, we all love Belegar and the Dawi too much for me to imagine a scenario that would see us gone from K8P anytime soon, but things like the Karag Dum expedition makes it quite obvious that there's no way we're not just gonna sit back in our fancy tower, churn out papers, and stick to chancellor projects that would be safe and local.
Hell no, we're gonna throw ourselves at whatever task would best help Belegar even if that brings us into the Chaos Wastes, in-between doing side-trips like stomping on some vampires.
In other words, even though I really like Panoramia, I just don't think that she and Mathilde are really compatible in the long-term.
Johann, on the other hand? He's our golden punch-wizard adventuring buddy, he was immediately on board with the Karag Dum expedition, and I doubt that he's gonna be satisfied with anything less than Lord Magister. Plus, he's almost as fond of the Dawi as the thread is!
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
Panoramia came out here to find plants, then the Halflings approached her about the soil. Which I will admit, she has put her all into. But I don't think that is the same sort of Drive that would lead someone to seek out a active warzone, to steal from skaven in hopes he can reverse engineer it, in order to prove himself.
Nor the sort that leads someone to try something that can kill them, get blinded in the process, only to try it again. Or to that leads to them becoming Magister despite, missing one (Or more) of the important corner stones of their order. Nor is it the sort of drive that leads to weaponizing the fire of the Dwarf afterlife.
To over-analyze the specific wording of something:
Panoramia found her Niche, Johann has ambition.
Panoramia takes every winter off.
Johann only stopped when he was blinded. And even then he was gearing up for another go.
And I don't know if Mathilde has ever stopped.
This could be a matter of perspective, actually it almost certainly is, but I feel that of the two, Johann's drive is a better match for Mathilde than Panoramia's.
Edit: Not calling Panpan bad or anything, hell in real life I'd like her more than Johann. But for Mathilde? This is how I feel.
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We should mention our religious experiences to Cython, he'd probably be very interested. I mean, we stole major mojo from Mork and sorta met Ranald, we had a close brush with Gazul, and Johann caugth a glimpse of the Ancestors.
And Mathilde has a finely honed sense for divine energy, which feels like the sort of thing that would really get their attention.
I wonder if dragon gods are a thing?
And Mathilde has a finely honed sense for divine energy, which feels like the sort of thing that would really get their attention.
I wonder if dragon gods are a thing?
Johann also helped us research the Cathayan jet, so he isn't limited to skaven research. And we are likely to pick up some new artifacts on this trip...
Sure, but claiming that one of the options is against the established character is exactly what someone was doing, so saying "yes, but" isn't really a refutation.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It should be noted that Ghyran isn't equally strong all year long. Panoramia takes winter off, sure, but that's basically mandatory for all Jade Wizards - they're waaaay weaker when the amount of ambient Ghyran drops off that much.
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Not today becaus it is 1:30am for me and I don't have the energy or mental capacity to critically analyse prose for why I found the characters in it to bounce off of each other.
I will say though that not being romantic was BoneyM's intention for all of these getting to know you actions. So Johann being an interesting character but not actively sweeping us off our feet, in that scene, is intended and not an indecation of romantic suitiblity. That same with all of these scenes. I'll remind you that there where people poo pooing Panoramia's scene and character as well.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Actually, she doesn't. That time period is reserved for her massive backlog of doing nothing, to paraphrase.
The more we learn about him, the more Johann sounds like somebody who should have been a perpetual, but kept working and specializing until he could climb up anyways, based on the merit of the few things he's not barred from.
In contrast, Panoramia has always known her place in the world. Her whole family has always believed in her, and she's never encountered any big problems with her magical cultivation; her worst miscast was a cramped hand for a few minutes.
Reworking the farmland of the Karak is fine and all, but I think that there's definitely a drive for self-improvement that she lacks. She doesn't want to be a Magister. She sees no point in studying. She's hardworking, but content.
When we make our Xianxia-style Heaven Defying Breakthrough and tell Panoramia that we're rejecting our humanity (a jojo reference), I don't think she's going to be too enthusiastic about it. Johann would get motivated. Cython would be happy that we'd be sticking around for the long term. Roswita and Anton and Oswald would need us to help them out there, but that's part and parcel with their other strengths and focuses. Panoramia could come along that road by herself, but she doesn't want to.
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Given the thread's AP hell, if we had that problem we would absolutely fill that time with non-magic training actions, writing papers, and other things. If Panoramia has a whole lot of Nothing to catch up on it's because she's taking it a lot easier than we are.
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- France
I remember Mathilde being annoyed that the Blasphemy of Blood had to be so utterly and inelegantly destroyed during the Sylvanian campaign.
Mathilde is all about hitting evil magic in a single, very precisely chosen spot for maximum damage. Just hammering at it until it goes quiet isn't her style. See her Counterspelling, for example.
Ah, but he could tell the difference in flavour between various Gods and their domains. And he was already used to them all. That feels like some precise magical senses to me!
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
... I almost want to suggest we convert Cython to Ranald, but I can't see anything about them That would match. Shame, I want to see what would happen if a dragon worshipped a human god.
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- Location
- Australia
Ghyran doesn't drop in Winter in Karak Eight Peaks. All the wind amounts stay level all the time.
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Way weaker is an exageration. Somewhat weaker and even then only if she has that mark. She takes the winter off cause she wants to. (Note I am actually in favour of both Johann and Panoramia.)
Gold or Jade: The Divided Loyalties Saga
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
Also a bit late for it, but that social with the Dragon was great. So great that I'm a little bit worried/upset. Why? Because I had a funpost ready for the next bout of Social voting where I assumed Panpan and Johann would be the only two strong candidates. But now I feel that all this:
Everyone fights in the Waifu Wars
Yeah we like ours but we sure hate your's
It's Mag-ister Gold vs Jade Wizard
Let the flames begin to flow.
Lets throw down, quote at me bro
I'll write you up, and your fave's a hoe
Don't be a troll and blame the rolls
These posts aren't just for show
Is now outdated and in need of rework. But I was gonna try to tone down the last bit anyway, try to make it more friendly or something.
Everyone fights in the Waifu Wars
Yeah we like ours but we sure hate your's
It's Mag-ister Gold vs Jade Wizard
Let the flames begin to flow.
Lets throw down, quote at me bro
I'll write you up, and your fave's a hoe
Don't be a troll and blame the rolls
These posts aren't just for show
Is now outdated and in need of rework. But I was gonna try to tone down the last bit anyway, try to make it more friendly or something.
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