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Worth noting that Anton and Panoramia might be related. It would be hilerious if they had been first cousins all this time and the three of us just never connected the dots.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I've been half-wondering that too, to be honest.Worth noting that Anton and Panoramia might be related. It would be hilerious if they had been first cousins all this time and the three of us just never connected the dots.
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Given how closely-knit the Jade College would seem to be, it certainly seems possible there are family links.Worth noting that Anton and Panoramia might be related. It would be hilerious if they had been first cousins all this time and the three of us just never connected the dots.
I don't think they've met- we certainly passed up the definite meeting chance when we brought Anton to K8P and introduced him to Belegar and Gotri instead.
Melkoth: "So, in summary, just be better than everyone else. I hope this was helpful."
Mathilde: "I know, right? It's refreshing when someone else just gets it."
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Though this does suggest we should do it before the very last minute.
Preparations take time.
Guile
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It's like with Johann: if you pick an interesting date idea, the wordcount tends to focus on the event rather than the prospective partner. In comparison, a meal with Pan and handing a book to the dragon focused more on the partner by necessity.
Ours was too busy schmoozing
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To be fair, a dragon that Mathilde's only ever met once in her life is inherently likely to provoke a lot more intellectual interest than an Elector Countess that Mathilde's met and socialized with on numerous occasions over a period of years. And there's a degree of comfort and intellectual equality between Roswita and Mathilde that I don't think Mathilde could ever reach with the dragon, due to the scope mismatch between them.
OK, that's a fair point...
...But when it turns into Mathilde and Johann just not really having any chemistry throughout the entire story, it makes one wonder.
OK, but the flip side of that is that we're vetting candidates for romance and not for being intellectually stimulating. The latter is a component of the former for Mathilde, but it's not the only one.
Assuming for the sake of argument that all parties have compatible romantic preferences (Roswita might be only into boys, but then, the dragon might not be into anthropoids), Roswita still has some pretty significant advantages over the dragon:
1) A larger shared pool of experiences and background. Roswita is likely to get the emotional and cultural aspects of Mathilde's life in ways the dragon will not. Almost everything that has ever mattered to Mathilde, aside from ulgu, is something that Cython has never heard of before, may never truly understand, and will probably only ever know as "that thing Mathilde cares about."
2) Less of an extreme mismatch in, well, scope, as I have discussed. Mathilde's entire life expectancy is a fractional percent of Cython's lifespan. Mathilde relates to her physical environment entirely differently. Roswita, again, will get logistical and physical aspects of Mathilde's life in ways a dragon will not.
3) To put it tactfully, somewhat more compatible anatomy? Not that this is inherently an obstacle to love, sure fine, but it's a factor in the same way that "ability to swap interesting theories of magic and divinity" is a factor.
And that's before I'm running into personality analysis, which would take me time I don't have to finish this.
chocolote12
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I guess my point is that we're currently noncommittal, so I was under the impression that we were supposed to be equally quasi-interested in all of them. When you suggested that the text showed that Mathilde was more interested in Panoramia than Johann, that made me feel like I needed to object, because our internal monologue is, well... ours. It represents our votes.
Panoramia and Johann got an exact split, so if Mathilde's interests can be directed by us at all it should have been directed at them equally, and from a fluff perspective she wouldn't consider choosing somebody she thought was a second or third best choice, so nobody's really head and shoulders above the others until we make a less noncommittal vote.
Of course, that's always shifting around, because BoneyM isn't a magical skeleton that can translate exact voting ratios into prose, and some things are just more interesting in a fantastical sense to write about than others (A Bookworm versus a Bookwyrm, like you've been accurately bringing up). In addition, there are of course outside factors; equal interests might not receive equal reciprocity, as the now-toast notion of 'what if the dragon is a jerk?' could attest to.
But I think, on a philosophical level, Mathilde's reactions should be considered more in the context of how the thread reacted to the character than what we're told she acted like, because fundamentally she does have to kind of be vague in order to accommodate the couple hundred voices in her head without swapping up the past retroactively.
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I mean. As one of the big advocates for Johann since our first adventure together I do feel that there is chemistry there.
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Then I'd scout the Steppes and Skull Road. High Pass has gyrocopter coverage, Dum vicinity sounds way too dangerous and I don't see what kind of data it'd provide that a being a day way wouldn't and we'd be able to make provisions for.
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I'm against the risks of solo scouting the Chaos Wastes, but one has to admit that knowing say which of the four Chaos gods followers dominate the area around Karag Dum might affect preparations. Nurgle vs Khorne, say.
Just woke up and huh, another update. Will have to catch up and read. But for now, before then, am posting the idea I had.
Instead of -- or in addition to -- anti-Chaos/anti-magic Banner (or inscriptions directly onto the steam wagons themselves; doing it that way would mean we can both get something onto the steam wagons, and have a Banner too) what about... a Banner with the ability to let them pass through difficult terrain?
Terrain like, say, deep snow? Or whatever else may be found in the Chaos Wastes?
Because I just realized that that could be an angle we explore. People, and the Engineers, worry about the steam wagons not being able to pass through snow or whatever? Well, look for a "can pass through difficult terrain" effect. Dwarfs might have the ability to craft such a Banner.
For that matter, maybe the Empire might be able to enchant one, too. So we could spend either College or Dwarf Favor on this.
(The other thing I was considering was simpler: "Get a Dispel Scroll." So that we have an extra Dispel/Counterspell ability. Not just our belt.)
Instead of -- or in addition to -- anti-Chaos/anti-magic Banner (or inscriptions directly onto the steam wagons themselves; doing it that way would mean we can both get something onto the steam wagons, and have a Banner too) what about... a Banner with the ability to let them pass through difficult terrain?
Terrain like, say, deep snow? Or whatever else may be found in the Chaos Wastes?
Because I just realized that that could be an angle we explore. People, and the Engineers, worry about the steam wagons not being able to pass through snow or whatever? Well, look for a "can pass through difficult terrain" effect.
Dwarfs might have the ability to craft such a Banner.For that matter, maybe the Empire might be able to enchant one, too. So we could spend either College or Dwarf Favor on this.
(The other thing I was considering was simpler: "Get a Dispel Scroll." So that we have an extra Dispel/Counterspell ability. Not just our belt.)
WOG is that Mathilde doesn't benefit from Dispel Scorlls anymore. Doing it herself works better. The only one that could benefit is Johann, if he can activate it.
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I agree with this.
Excellent, thank you, I will take that into account in purchase planning.
I agree with chocolote 100%, especially the bolded bit. There's also Guile's point to consider:
By this metric, I am expecting Anton's event to not make any converts to the cause of Husbando That Cinnamon Roll, and give Oswald's event about 50-50 odds based on how much Boney spends writing about the pets vs. about interacting with Oswald.
Ultimately, I think we should not worry too much about "will Mathilde have chemistry with X." She will once we vote for her to have chemistry; Boney is too good of a writer for that to not be true. Focus on the other character, not on Mathilde.
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Boney has been very clear that he doesn;t want to deal with consumables.
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Johann: Looks dubiously at scroll Mathilde hands him.
Squints at the unfamilar Praestantia phrases. Mouths slowly.
Shrugs.
Holds up the Dispell scroll in front of the enemy casters' face with one fist and punches through it with the other.
Vebyast
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On the other hand, thread discussion and voting patterns have been directing Mathilde's actions for IRL years now, and Mathilde has developed a distinct personality based on those votes and that discussion. If we suddenly pivoted 180 degrees on some key point with no apparent cause, maybe everyone responsible was at work one day and the thread voted to shank Belegar, the QM would rightly veto that change on the basis of Mathilde's existing characterization. Character momentum is a good thing; it keeps weird votes from ruining everything, it gives the QM hooks for building narratives and three-dimensional characters, it helps avoid salt by helping the players predict the characters' actions, and it gives the players something to hold on to. There's a reason that tabletop games are often called "role-playing" games. Mathilde is, by now, just as much a character as any of the others.
All of the candidates were viable for the initial interest vote when we were just trying to figure out roughly what Mathilde wanted. I don't know if that also means they'd be viable in the end, nor if they'd be equally attractive for Mathilde. If we voted for candidate 1 representing interest A, candidate 2 representing interest B, and candidate 3 representing interests A and B, then Mathilde would come out interested in A and B, but candidate 3 would have a lead on the other two.
All of these combine so that some characters may just be more interesting and easier to write a good romance story with. I can't claim to know which they are, but so far it seems like Mathilde's established characterization and BoneyM's writing would lend itself best to romancing Panoramia or Cython.
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I suppose. Still sits wrong with me to vote for something knowing that it'll give the QM real trouble and go against established characterization, though. Feels like a violation of the contract in a community game. :/
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Now now, Johann is a sophisticated man. He'd chucked them at their head, and then they misscast because of the distraction.
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I think that if any of the romantic options would give the QM real trouble and go against established characterization, they would be taken off the list. Boney has not been shy about saying "no" to us when "no" is warranted.
I don't want to just assume that dragons develop arcane marks like humans do. We know their bones are mutable, but we didn't forget what the staff looked like while we were making it, you know?
I get what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree, but I do hold out that he could be impressed in a 'puppies writing on chalkboard' sort of way.
A Prince of Caledor. And yeah, humans consider elves arrogant, elves consider Caledorans arrogant, and the elves of Caledor consider the Dragon Princes arrogant. I can only imagine what Imrik is like.
*eyes the Hochlander*
Vebyast
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Ah, yes, the Poor Man's Dispel Magic, cousin to the Poor Man's Hold Person: They can't do bad things if you whack them in the head hard enough.
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So quick question, who else thinks Birdmuncha might still be alive? For almost any other race the idea would be ridiculous but Birdmuncha's an Orc and a Warboss at that, doing ridiculous things is arguably as fundamental an aspect as Cunning and Brutality are. Plus he's technically a fungus and some quick googling indicates that there are fungi that can survive and even grow at sub-zero temperatures. Might want to store him in a warehouse above the snowline, just in case.
We do he's just trying to figure out how to make our spy network work when our idea of spying seems to come exclusively from action films.
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Action novels, surely. The very best novels printed in Altdorf. Some of them were even checked for spelling errors.
The spoiler is that BoneyM is getting feedback, and may adjust based on what people are happy or unhappy with. This would result in the latter parts being better written, resulting in an advantage.
This deserves re-emphasizing.