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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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-[] EIC: Have the Hochlander introduce a series of ciphers to the EIC to allow it to communicate internally in much greater security.

This is in almost every plan and it's a waste of time. The reason it's a waste of time is that the information the EIC is collecting is not that important! Like, what the hell do we care if the information being collected is occasionally penetrated? It's mostly gossip, scandal, and some economic stuff.

As far as I can seem it comes back to a popular, non-canon omake by a player that had the Hochlander dis us for not doing this. It's just an omake people... this is a waste of an action.

-[] Attempt to recruit assistance for the Karag Dum Expedition: General Colleges of Magic, Asarnil the Dragonlord

Why are we trying to recruit an elf for a dwarven expedition? Yes, his dragon would be very useful, but there are some serious negatives in having a major expenditure on someone that will constantly clash with and irritate the expedition's leaders. No, there's "technically" no grudge against him, but it will be like trying to have Mathilde work with a bunch of Sigmarites. We're going to get constant irritation, arguments, and in the worst case a blow up that has major consequences.

Yes both Asarnil and dwarves were there during the invasion of Sylvania, but that was a different situation. They were separately reporting to an overall human command structure rather than an elf reporting to dwarves.
 
Briefvoice said:
Some comments on items I don't think are receiving much discussion.


-[] EIC: Have the Hochlander introduce a series of ciphers to the EIC to allow it to communicate internally in much greater security.

This is in almost every plan and it's a waste of time. The reason it's a waste of time is that the information the EIC is collecting is not that important! Like, what the hell do we care if the information being collected is occasionally penetrated? It's mostly gossip, scandal, and some economic stuff.

As far as I can seem it comes back to a popular, non-canon omake by a player that had the Hochlander dis us for not doing this. It's just an omake people... this is a waste of an action.
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I take it you don't understand the idea of preparing ahead of time? The time to introduce ciphers is not after you've got an extensive network of spies in place. It's before hand, we have the handlers, now we need the ciphers, then we add the actual 'spies'
 
SuperSonicSound said:



Here's where it comes from, Halflings are immune to chaos mutations and get +10% to willpower tests to resist magic and any chaos effects.
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LockedMind said:
Well, in both 2nd and 4th editions of the RPG Halflings get "Resistance to Chaos" on chargen, while Dwarves don't (they only get resistance to magic).
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That's about what I expected. They might not sprout extra limbs, but they're not going to be able to romp through the Wastes without a care either.
 
Briefvoice said:
the information the EIC is collecting is not that important! Like, what the hell do we care if the information being collected is occasionally penetrated? It's mostly gossip, scandal, and some economic stuff.

As far as I can seem it comes back to a popular, non-canon omake by a player that had the Hochlander dis us for not doing this. It's just an omake people... this is a waste of an action.
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Our sopy network getting casually penetratepd means it's a useless spy network.
Briefvoice said:
Why are we trying to recruit an elf for a dwarven expedition?
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Here:
Briefvoice said:
Yes, his dragon would be very useful,
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Doesn't matter if they get snippy at each other, Deathfang is more than worth whatever it takes to get him.
 
Briefvoice said:
Why are we trying to recruit an elf for a dwarven expedition? Yes, his dragon would be very useful, but there are some serious negatives in having a major expenditure on someone that will constantly clash with and irritate the expedition's leaders. No, there's "technically" no grudge against him, but it will be like trying to have Mathilde work with a bunch of Sigmarites. We're going to get constant irritation, arguments, and in the worst case a blow up that has major consequences.

Yes both Asarnil and dwarves were there during the invasion of Sylvania, but that was a different situation. They were separately reporting to an overall human command structure rather than an elf reporting to dwarves.
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This wouldn't even be the first time he's been hired by dwarves.
BoneyM said:
Asarnil has, on very rare occassions, been in the employ of dwarves. He's exiled from Ulthuan and therefore not a part of the Grudges incurred during the War of Vengeance.
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It's not a problem.
 
BoneyM said:
That's about what I expected. They might not sprout extra limbs, but they're not going to be able to romp through the Wastes without a care either.
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I mean sure but no physical corruption is a huge benefit, physical mutation is the largest vector that Chaos uses to snare people. Means they're a lot safer from warpstone interaction than almost every one else in the world is.

Briefvoice said:
It's not that I don't understand; it's that I disagree, thanks. I don't really think it's worth doing ever.
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I take it you're intending to never have a spy network any where then? I mean fine if you're advocating we never make use of those handlers we hired but that's a different complaint to the idea that the information we're collecting isn't important, because the point is that it will become important.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Yes both Asarnil and dwarves were there during the invasion of Sylvania, but that was a different situation. They were separately reporting to an overall human command structure rather than an elf reporting to dwarves.
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Asarnil has been hired by dwarves before and we even tried to hire him for K8P.

Briefvoice said:
The reason it's a waste of time is that the information the EIC is collecting is not that important!
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Doesnt mean that it will stay unimportant.
 
Ciphers are important.
Even if EIC does not gather any important information (in which case, why are we bothering? And how would we know before we get the information if it is important or not?), it does provide information to use, and anyone capable of intercepting messages will be able to send us false information, or false orders to our informants.
And with Marienburg shenanigans with the canal, being able to rely on our information networks is premium.
 
The Ciphers are basically in the "We should do it if the network isn't time critically needed for something" range. Because it not only keeps the network activity from being visible, it also helps resist deliberate bad information being substituted without extended efforts to break the cipher first.

Same as the Informants - its growing capacity, something you SHOULD do often.

picklepikkl said:
This wouldn't even be the first time he's been hired by dwarves.

It's not a problem.
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Yeah the grudges were to specific elves, specific provinces and specifically the High Elf Empire. Asarnil doesn't have a personal grudge and forsaking his homeland as an exile frees him from the rest...though if he ever went home that would be null and void.

Mind, this doesn't translate to LIKING the Elgi, but the lack of grudges and a common foe is well enough.
 
Briefvoice said:
-[] EIC: Have the Hochlander introduce a series of ciphers to the EIC to allow it to communicate internally in much greater security.

This is in almost every plan and it's a waste of time. The reason it's a waste of time is that the information the EIC is collecting is not that important! Like, what the hell do we care if the information being collected is occasionally penetrated? It's mostly gossip, scandal, and some economic stuff.

As far as I can seem it comes back to a popular, non-canon omake by a player that had the Hochlander dis us for not doing this. It's just an omake people... this is a waste of an action.
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Ciphers secure internal communications in a time where the major background event is a looming Marienburg trade war. So that economic stuff is a bit more important than you might feel. That is not a time you want your trade ledgers and missives leaked. It's not just our information network, it's company wide communications. And if we ever do want our information network to be relevant, then yes, securing it is a necessary step.
 
agumentic said:
I believe that WoG was that the interactions between healing Wind magic and dwarves are uncertain. Out of all magical healing, we might legitimately be the best off with the Sigmarite priests - both since him being a dwarf friend could increase the odds of successful healing and because dwarfs are more likely to accept healing if it comes from Sigmar, in my opinion.
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Citation required. The only WoG I recall on the subject was confirming that we can use the Seed to revive Dwarfs.

@picklepikkl
Got anything relevant?
 
For everybody voting for Plan Last Chance for Study v3, Plan Maximum Research, Yes Yes v2 also has the coin on Asarnil, with a different skaven artifact for Max if you want to approval vote.

Though if it's the exact same plan as before, I suspect the Plan Last Chance for Study v1 votes will get folded in anyways...
 
Briefvoice said:
BoneM didn't say it was "not a problem". He said it had happened before.
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Originally, you said this:
Briefvoice said:
Yes both Asarnil and dwarves were there during the invasion of Sylvania, but that was a different situation. They were separately reporting to an overall human command structure rather than an elf reporting to dwarves.
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I am pointing out that you were mistaken and that he has, in fact, reported to dwarves before. Given that they keep working with him, and that K8P tried to hire him, we can safely conclude that it went fine by dwarf standards.
Angelform said:
Citation required. The only WoG I recall on the subject was confirming that we can use the Seed to revive Dwarfs.

@picklepikkl
Got anything relevant?
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You know I do.
Quest said:
@BoneyM this just occurred to me, would our heal work on Belegar? You've mentioned the adverse reaction of some spells on dwarves before.
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BoneyM said:
You're reasonably confident that the possible side-effects would be preferable to being dead.
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citation-man awaaaaaay
 
Would anyone voting for version 3 of Last Chance for Study mind approval voting for version 2? I think the chances of that vote winning might be higher, and it's pretty similar.

[X] Plan Last Chance for Study v2
[X] Plan Last Chance for Study v3
[X] Plan AV Enchantment and Research and EIC Ciphers
 
Redshirt Army said:
Mathilde won't play well with Sigmarites at all - if it's someone she has personal trust in like Kasmir then maybe, but he's got his own duties, and with an unknown I expect her hate of Sigmar to flare up and cause serious issues.
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I, on the other hand, think that Mathilde is a big girl who can handle her disdain, especially since it is against the god, not against the followers. It's not like she needs to become friends with Sigmarites or even interact with them all that much - we have rather different specialties, after all. And they would be both useful enough and have a good motivation to join, so Mathilde has a pragmatic reason to seek them out.
 
agumentic said:
I, on the other hand, think that Mathilde is a big girl who can handle her disdain, especially since it is against the god, not against the followers. It's not like she needs to become friends with Sigmarites or even interact with them all that much - we have rather different specialties, after all. And they would be both useful enough and have a good motivation to join, so Mathilde has a pragmatic reason to seek them out.
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Mathilde's problem with Sigmarite Priests is that they depend on Sigmar.
Which Mathilde does not consider dependable.
 
agumentic said:
I, on the other hand, think that Mathilde is a big girl who can handle her disdain, especially since it is against the god, not against the followers. It's not like she needs to become friends with Sigmarites or even interact with them all that much - we have rather different specialties, after all. And they would be both useful enough and have a good motivation to join, so Mathilde has a pragmatic reason to seek them out.
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We've actively got a trait that gives us penalties if there are Sigmarites in institutions we control.

Admittedly, hired mercenaries aren't much of an "institution", but it's rather indicative of Mathilde's issues extending further than just personal distaste for the god, and I'd expect that to come up in the narrative.
 
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