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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Chronic said:
Well, i dunno about Bretonnia, but what i read on my wiki walks about Tobaro, the closest Tilean city to Skavenblight after all, indicates that they know basically nothing about the Skaven and even their Deep Watch, which was established to watch the caverns under the city after a Skaven invasion, considers them myths and nightmares.
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I think it very much depends on the source, from what I read most of Tilea and Estalia knows about the Skaven and considers them among their worst enemies for assassinating Myrmidia among many other wars and horrors.
 
DragonParadox said:
It the conspiracy of silence is caused by a ritual that was meant to blind all mankind then it is the most ineffective ritual in the history of Skavendom, which is saying something. Of all the old world only the Empire is under the conspiracy Bretonia Tilea and Estalia counted together have more population more land and more military strength and that is not even getting into the rest of the world.
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And since the Grey College actually approves of it, it would seem more likely that a few centuries ago a Grey Magister convinced the Skaven to do this "Great-Great ritual to blind-blind foolish men", and year after year they have been funneling power into our own scheme.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Probably not realistic. It would be neat to pull off, but my understanding is that trolls don't really migrate all that much so trying to manipulate them to travel would be difficult.
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Oh sure, it's a fair bit far-fetched, but I was thinking that we might be able to smoke them out, due to their hatred of fire.

Again, probably very unlikely, but I really like the thought of it.
 
das_slash said:
And since the Grey College actually approves of it, it would seem more likely that a few centuries ago a Grey Magister convinced the Skaven to do this "Great-Great ritual to blind-blind foolish men", and year after year they have been funneling power into our own scheme.
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Sadely there weren't any grey magisters a few centuries ago. The Colleges are quite young.
 
Are trolls vulnerable to Amber Magic? If yes, that opens up a bunch of ways to deal with them.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
There's nothing that actually states categorically that this is true and in the 2E RPG children of the horned rat they can be both.
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While the Storm of Magic Esshin Army List that was concurent with the 2Ed RPG listed Assassins and Sorcerors as seperate unit choices.

Its less that no Esshin Assassin would ever know magic and more that a portion of the thread has decided that they all must and will use magic to assassinate Belegar and "if we are not watching him ourselves then we are being non-optimal" that I had a problem with.

It just happens a lot in this thread, and to be fair the fandom as a whole, someone brings up something that is a possibility from canon and then the thread jumps on it and treats it as abosolute truth before it has been verifide to be quest canon.
 
Lupercal said:
Its less that no Esshin Assassin would ever know magic and more that a portion of the thread has decided that they all must and will use magic to assassinate Belegar and "if we are not watching him ourselves then we are being non-optimal" that I had a problem with.
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I mean, I'm pretty much just thinking that Belebro could very much just die in battle, and that the option said he'd go where most needed. I want us to be where most needed to make sure this plan gets pulled off, protecting Belebro is mostly a bonus/holdover trauma from Abel.

And we have a track record of being at his back in the big battles: East gate, Lhune gate, hall of the moon.

Esshin assasins hitting at VIP targets on our side is more likely now since we are acting to prevent them from destroying Mors, but I don't expect it to happen this battle because of ooda loop timing.
 
Glau said:
I mean, I'm pretty much just thinking that Belebro could very much just die in battle, and that the option said he'd go where most needed. I want us to be where most needed to make sure this plan gets pulled off, protecting Belebro is mostly a bonus/holdover trauma from Abel.

And we have a track record of being at his back in the big battles: East gate, Lhune gate, hall of the moon.

Esshin assasins hitting at VIP targets on our side is more likely now since we are acting to prevent them from destroying Mors, but I don't expect it to happen this battle because of ooda loop timing.
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"Likely to be where most needed" is just a somewhat fanciful way of saying "reserve". Not to be initially committed, will be used if some point looks like it could benefit immensely from more troops. May be not committed at all.

The difference between this option and reserve option is that we get firmly attached to Belegar's detachment.
 
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Lupercal said:
Its less that no Esshin Assassin would ever know magic and more that a portion of the thread has decided that they all must and will use magic to assassinate Belegar and "if we are not watching him ourselves then we are being non-optimal" that I had a problem with.

It just happens a lot in this thread, and to be fair the fandom as a whole, someone brings up something that is a possibility from canon and then the thread jumps on it and treats it as abosolute truth before it has been verifide to be quest canon.
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That's about 2 people. A bunch of people, me included, want to see Mathilde and Belegar getting to be battle-buddies. And think that having a Remarkably Killy Magister on-hand for the reserves designated for "where the biggest threat is" is a good idea.
 
chocolote12 said:
I'm not even suggesting that; I just think that we should find some possible way to harden our leadership against Nega-Mathildes, because as the campaign continues the eventuality that we'll end up fighting the guys who have them draws closer and closer.
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Yea, I'm agreed that we'll need to work out counter measures sooner rather than later.
 
We do have an Eshin weapon in our inventory. We could put a Gold on studying that at some point.

And then string it on a chain to keep as a locket, as a token of our one true love.
 
Given that Moulder's thing is bioengineering, they're arguably extra susceptible to Sabotage via unleashed beasts and much less viable as targets for Treasure Hunting given that we can't exactly steal said beasts.

Certainly Treasure Hunting is of little use on the basis of asset denial. A mere two wizards can't do anything meaningful, even without their assets being mainly creatures.
 
picklepikkl said:
We do have an Eshin weapon in our inventory. We could put a Gold on studying that at some point.

And then string it on a chain to keep as a locket, as a token of our one true love.
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Apparently their throwing stars cut through armor like butter plus warp-poison people?

Might be a good thing to study Eshin poison and see what's up with that.
 
ChronOblivion said:
But again, why is this only coming up on the day of the battle without having ever been mentioned, why does Mathilde have authority over merc deployments suddenly? Does Belegar give a shit about the Conspiracy or not? Borderline sabotaging this battle by diverting the mercs they paid for because of the Empire's strategic-level anti-Skaven strat is a super crappy move if Belegar doesn't approve. I'm missing some information.
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Mathilde has King Belegar's ear and trust and can speak for the Grey Order and therefore sort of the Empire, so if she says they should be sidelined he'll listen.

vsh said:
@BoneyM can we do a write-in? Pit only people who wouldn't say no to a long-term contract against Skaven, and let other part in reserve?
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The battle is currently being fought so there's not really time to sort by individual employment preferences.

Ganurath said:
Not with the Rune of the Unknown working full time, they won't.

Valid point, and something I had in mind when I initially voted for a Treasure Hunt. However, consider the possibility that breaking open cages might fall under Sabotage as well. In fact, I think we should ask @BoneyM which action maximizes likelihood/volume of liberated Skaven prisoners.
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Sabotage, because it will be spreading the chaos out instead of stopping to check for goodies. But given the location prisoners are very likely to be greenskins or other Skaven.

Quest said:
@BoneyM this just occurred to me, would our heal work on Belegar? You've mentioned the adverse reaction of some spells on dwarves before.
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You're reasonably confident that the possible side-effects would be preferable to being dead.

Horium said:
@BoneyM What is the stance of Clab Angrund's longbeards on Belegar's unorthodox tendencies and views?
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Success requires no apologies. With the stone their ancestors carved under their feet, they'll accept any foible.

Quest said:
Are trolls vulnerable to Amber Magic? If yes, that opens up a bunch of ways to deal with them.
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Sometimes. On average they're right on the line between clever beast and stupid being, but exceptions in both directions aren't uncommon.
 
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