Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- some computer lab
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
boney called it around 4 or 5 IIRC.
There's the Lost Isles of Elithis in approximately the right spot, but all that's known about them is that the High Elves have a colony there and there's no Beastmen.
It seems to me like this is the result of people overestimating the size of the world and confusing muddled tales of the west coast of Lustria with an entirely new landmass.
Not even the High Elves are immune, as the White Tower of Hoeth is compared to the lost Library of Caledor that predated it, and even much of Hoeth's personal library is said to have been burned by Asuryan because Hoeth lead to the creation of the Great Vortex behind Asuryan's back.
- Location
- Aotearoa
So... the High Elves landed, looked around and said 'nope, no-one lives here' in Fake Australia?
Hmm, well... um.
Could be a deliberate play on Ulthuani imperialism, but they do have about a dozen other similar outposts on islands and headlands in the southern hemisphere so it might just be part of that.
No, like the Bright Order they simply use the existing training infrastructure of the Army of Reikland.
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- Australia
They do have a philosophy about being the sword of judgement and swords are the grey wizards' weapon of choice, just like Gandalf, but I don't believe they have any special sword styles, incorporating magic or not.
- Location
- Aotearoa
We're also probably at the level where we could give the class on 'Swords and Swordplay'.
Yet! (?)
To indulge in rampant speculation for a moment- if Shadow Knives was also Shadow Melee Blades (Shadow Very Long Chisel?), and the weapons had the at-will selective ability to interact with matter that Substance of Shadow has, you could approximate some of the tricks a flickering Branulhune style could allow. (Passing through someones guard/parry, piercing armour, strike arcs continuing as if encountering no resistance, etc).
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It's been pointed out before, but a sword style that incorporated Branulhune's ability to appear and disappear would naturally have significant crossover with a sword style adapted to the weightlessness and selective intangibility of our Shadow Sword variant on Shadow Daggers.
So, if we did hypothetically want to create a "unique" Grey Order sword style to pass on, that would probably be a good place to start.
So, if we did hypothetically want to create a "unique" Grey Order sword style to pass on, that would probably be a good place to start.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Hmm.
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- Australia
Keep in mind that Substance of Shadows and Shadow Knives are Fiendishly Complex. By the time a wizard is ready to learn this style, they'll likely already be a magister and thus likely have already developed some other sword style to a good extent, and they'd be reluctant to discard those years of practice just to learn this new style.
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
Hmm.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The point of the style is to transform years of practice into bad habits and then stab our opponents in their new bad habits, so that's sort of the point. You'll never have practiced mundane swordsmanship more than the average dark elf has, but if you're not playing the same game then you can get a lot more past them.
From what I recall (I think when Mathilde was commenting on the duckling's melee focus being somewhat unusual) it's generally only when a wizard has hit magister or late journeyman that they get around to picking up a weapon style to round out their repertoire.
If we can really spend a Great Deed to combine our Wizard employee actions and our Duckling actions and also use those actions for personal research then it sounds like a great idea. It's got my vote.
We should get it done as soon as possible.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
If we do embark on the "Mathilde's Marvellous Makhaira" project, what kind of timescale are we looking at?
• Well, first we have to actually create the Branulhune style. Call it five actions in total, since it's the next step after mere mastery? Luckily, we wanted to do this anyway, so it's not a "real" cost.
• At least an action to actually codify our modification to Shadow Daggers as a separate teachable spell.
• Probably another action to work out any kinks or discrepancies that might happen when applying Branulhune style to the spell.
• For the style to actually enter use, we'd need to, uh, teach it, for a while. Have Mathilde spend an action every other turn teaching Swordplay 301 at the Grey College for ten or so turns?
The actual opportunity cost to create the Grey College style probably isn't really that high (once we have the Branulhune style already acquired) - two or so actions. The bigger issue would be disseminating it, and whether the returns to the Grey College would be worth the effort.
• Well, first we have to actually create the Branulhune style. Call it five actions in total, since it's the next step after mere mastery? Luckily, we wanted to do this anyway, so it's not a "real" cost.
• At least an action to actually codify our modification to Shadow Daggers as a separate teachable spell.
• Probably another action to work out any kinks or discrepancies that might happen when applying Branulhune style to the spell.
• For the style to actually enter use, we'd need to, uh, teach it, for a while. Have Mathilde spend an action every other turn teaching Swordplay 301 at the Grey College for ten or so turns?
The actual opportunity cost to create the Grey College style probably isn't really that high (once we have the Branulhune style already acquired) - two or so actions. The bigger issue would be disseminating it, and whether the returns to the Grey College would be worth the effort.
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- Australia
I think a lot less people want to spend 5 AP on learning to sword better than you think.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Oh, it won't be finished any time soon, but I'll be surprised if we don't have it done in twenty turns time or so.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
My suspicion -- though it is just my suspicion based on seeing how skill mechanics in this quest have worked at various points, and my prediction is that Boney's answer would be "try it and find out" -- is that once we take one action to start creating the sword style, we will thereafter be able to advance the style via practical experience rather than just training AP. Using our skills in life-or-death situations can give us advancement towards the next tier of skill perk, not just training; the thing that's unique here is that we're trying to create a style, not just integrate lessons we've learned. That's why I think we'd need to invest a creation AP first, but once we've at least started developing the style we can start filling up the progress bar through either training or practical experience.
What's also likely is that after we cobble together a style advancing it is a matter of story arc's final traits.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Why would you do that? You know how it ends. You Know!
Quiet sobbing.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I'm not sure I agree; end-of-arc traits have developed our character in support of our skills, but orthogonally to them rather than advancing them to the cap. Consider our Unseen trait, which --
-- and then this post was derailed as I went to our character sheet to consult the details, saw an "edited 1 minute ago" timestamp, and flew around to find the change.
Bone of a 'Shard Dragon'.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Shard_Dragon
Part two of our bounty has come in, though the single quotes around Shard Dragon make me think that it might not actually be genuine Shard Dragon bone, but rather something else.