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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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TotallyNotEvil said:
And what research institution has been untouched for centuries? They are in and of themselves libraries and repositories of knowledge.

That particular argument doesn't make much sense.
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And there are no human or ogre or halfling ones that have survived. Even the Dwarve's recordings got interrupted; smashed by the time of woes, the elves are the only continuous perspective there is that is available to "those who are not antithetical to peace" (and those records are based on their perspective alone, and... "infinite diversity in infinite combinations" is something that resonates with me strongly: More perspective on information is, overall, better).

From Mathilde's perspective, the chain of human lore-keeping has been broken again and again. Scattered and lost. I can provide citation.. The point of a TB being spent on a repository (with some library facilitates) in K8P is to entrust the dwarves with the writings and the perspectives of the present, that the information and implicit values of how that information is presented to the reader; to be carried forward in time, preserved to be available to the future.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
.... I forgot where I was going with this, but don't want to delate all that so... here.
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Probably that the Library would, you know, also help with the College on its own. Because they're not entirely separate things. Hell, I explicitly want them to be a paired thing, which is harder to do if we just say "Mathilde's library can suffice". A large part of research, after all, is finding reference materials to make sense of what you're looking at and see if anybody else has gone down this path before. Like how we needed that really obscure book on the properties of Light to capture the snake.
 
BeepSmile said:
you fucking junkie.

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Well, you gonna sharesies or not!?

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Edit: I misread; I thought you were asking if that "nitpick was well cited". Your weird.... is.... cool, for you; sure. But that just ain't my scene fam. Sorry if I gave the wrong impressions.
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...you completely lost me somewhere in that invective and stream of consciousness. Maybe somewhere off the coast of Lumbria?
 
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I mean, ultimately, if we're going to either get a super Library and then build up a Research Institute ourselves, or get a super Research Institute and then build a Library up ourselves, I'd prefer the former.

I don't actually mind if the Research Institute starts as "official recognition of Max/Johann/Gretel/Adela/Hubert/Panoramia" and nothing else, and we have to step by step build facilities for each of their Winds, attract official investment from the various Colleges, and generally be involved in raising it up from nothing. That sounds interesting as heck, especially if we tie it into the ongoing Waystone Research project.
 
Ericwinter said:
Probably that the Library would, you know, also help with the College on its own. Because they're not entirely separate things. Hell, I explicitly want them to be a paired thing, which is harder to do if we just say "Mathilde's library can suffice". A large part of research, after all, is finding reference materials to make sense of what you're looking at and see if anybody else has gone down this path before. Like how we needed that really obscure book on the properties of Light to capture the snake.
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A TB Repository with Library functions (otherwise; what's the point in having a repository?) will synergistically compound with the effect of a GB college branch, and allow for the full 'effort value' of the college branch GD to be expended with assumption that the conditional of "Local library resource" = "Yes"

Which is what you said. I just wanted to strongly +1

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Alliterate said:
...you completely lost me somewhere in that invective and stream of consciousness. Maybe somewhere off the coast of Lumbria?
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Maybe reread it with me vastly vastly underemphasising the horrific (and accurate) coronations of 'junkie' and going with an approach of "share that good shit bruv!"
 
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Redshirt Army said:
I mean, ultimately, if we're going to either get a super Library and then build up a Research Institute ourselves, or get a super Research Institute and then build a Library up ourselves, I'd prefer the former.

I don't actually mind if the Research Institute starts as "official recognition of Max/Johann/Gretel/Adela/Hubert/Panoramia" and nothing else, and we have to step by step build facilities for each of their Winds, attract official investment from the various Colleges, and generally be involved in raising it up from nothing. That sounds interesting as heck, especially if we tie it into the ongoing Waystone Research project.
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it would also force us to step into college politics in a way that building the liberty won't, so ya, way more interesting.
 
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BeepSmile said:
A TB Repository with Library functions (otherwise; what's the point in having a repository?) will synergistically compound with the effect of a GB college branch, and allow for the full 'effort value' of the college branch GD to be expended with assumption that the conditional of "Local library resource" = "Yes"

Which is what you said. I just wanted to strongly +1
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A lot like how pretty much everything Belegar does synergistically compounds with having "Money=yes"?
 
Redshirt Army said:
While it would be nice if we could in some way preserve some of Kragg's knowledge, I wouldn't hold my breath for it. I suspect that until we're a tenth his age and have a tenth his accomplishments, our odds stand at a flat 0%.

Still, that's no reason not to make a Sevirscope - it's still incredibly valuable to Runesmiths, if constructed correctly.
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I am pretty sure, considering his attitude to us, that he allready considers us achieved enough to merit respect, all things considering. It's just that Kragg's respect is softcapped by age, regardless of achievements.

BeepSmile said:
Do you have in depth conscious awareness of the contents of your stomach? No; I'm genuinely asking here: Do you?
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Humans don't? Uh oh, they found me out. Ummm... I mean, of course I do not, what do you take me for? A fox shapeshifter or something?
 
Ericwinter said:
A lot like how pretty much everything Belegar does synergistically compounds with having "Money=yes"?
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Uh. I don't get how that is particularly relevant outside of Belegr's material support for a potential "TB -> Reposity/Libary"

Belegar's "everything ever" does have the support of "first K8P wealth that was found" + "silk from We" + "old Bank Vault gold".

Uh, I suppose.... yes?

But I'm not getting your point. Sorry.

Edit: @chocolote12 that cal is long. it is a long cat
 
BeepSmile said:
Uh. I don't get how that is particularly relevant outside of Belegr's material support for a potential "TB -> Reposity/Libary"

Belegar's "everything ever" does have the support of "first K8P wealth that was found" + "silk from We" + "old Bank Vault gold".

Uh, I suppose.... yes?

But I'm not getting your point. Sorry.
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Money is an essential resource to running a Karak, and because he has a lot of it, a lot of the things he has had to do were made much easier and more effective. Buying food, weapons, and supplies. Building a superweapon. Restoring the different mountians (before KaK decided to do that for him). So on and so forth. In the same manner, books are an essential resource for research centers that makes pretty much everything you might do there much easier and more effective. Also, as was pointed out previously, a true library is also likely to also have lots of artifacts and other things not only help with research paths, but may even inspire them.
 
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    • Shane_357 said:
    Given how obnoxiously oblivious they're being I think it's fair.
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    Shane_357 said:
    And I calmly and politely asked them to stop instead of throwing a shitfit.
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    Shane_357 said:
    I would never imply that Runesmithing was on the table because anyone who's read the quest would understand that it explicitly never was. That's the basic degree of knowledge that has to be assumed to treat anyone in this thread as an informed peer.
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    Shane_357 said:
    Now I'm fucking giggling. Go back and take another reread - and you might see that I was responding to Andres by saying that I was 'asking calmly and politely not throwing a shitfit' thus his comment on me returning from a threadban was irrelevant. MY behaviour was the topic there, if I really need to spell it out. I'm sure you hit the report button, but let me spoil the result - a full reading obviously shows I accused you of absolutely nothing. Andres commented on my behaviour and I responded with 'I'm being calm and polite not yelling'. You were never mentioned.
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    warning It is true that, when you used the term "shitfit", you were only referring to your own hypothetical behaviour, and not another user. That is definitely a good thing. However, in your hostile tone here, in the disruptive influence it has had on the thread, in the post where you said another user was being "obnoxiously oblivious", and then later implied that their lack of quest knowledge meant they did not deserve to be treated as an "informed peer"*, you were not just referring to yourself. You had a direct impact on other users in the thread.

    This leaves me in a difficult position, because you've just come back from a three-month threadban, for essentially similar issues regarding civility.

    Here's what we're going to do. I am giving you a Staff Note, and three days off from the thread. I really hope that you use that time to consider what went wrong here, and what needs to change so that this does not happen again, like taking a short break if things heated, which I always personally find really helpful. I understand games like this can be stressful, and I want you to be able to participate in this game and enjoy it. But if we have the same issues for a third time in a row, then I don't have a lot of options left.

    Please don't do this again. Thanks for your time.

    *(EDIT: Shane clarified that they in fact were referring to themselves, in the hypothetical, in this case as well.)


    Deathbybunnies said:
    I no longer care about your opinion, and I suggest you stop before you embarrass yourself further.
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    I appreciate why you were frustrated here, but this sort of thing has a tendency to inflame an already inflamed situation. It is honestly kind of hard to expect another user in good faith to be able to reply to something like this in a productive way. Repeating it for added emphasis also does not help.

    I've given you a Staff Note. Please try to avoid this in future.

    Thanks for your time.
     
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    • storryeater said:
    Humans don't? Uh oh, they found me out. Ummm... I mean, of course I do not, what do you take me for? A fox shapeshifter or something?
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    No. The "fox" lie is obvious and insulting for you to attmept.

    Fuck it. I'm pissed. :)P) I'm outing you:

    @thread: storyeater... is nothing more or less than a cute fluffy bun bun.}

    (Flashbacks to "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" commence)
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    Alliterate said:
    I have no idea what you are asking to be shared?
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    BeepSmile said:
    Maybe reread it with me vastly vastly underemphasising the horrific (and accurate) coronations of 'junkie' and going with an approach of "share that good shit bruv!"
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    Oh! You know citations from the QM, just generally, that be "the good shit". It's a reference to when I compared pickle to being a shady drug dealer from (my impression of) '80's "just say no" cartoons and 'very special episodes'

    'citations' being an addictive drug.


    Ericwinter said:
    Money is an essential resource to running a Karak, and because he has a lot of it, a lot of the things he has had to do were made much easier and more effective. Buying food, weapons, and supplies. Building a superweapon. Restoring the different mountians (before KaK decided to do that for him). So on and so forth. In the same manner, books are an essential resource for research centers that makes pretty much everything you might do there much easier and more effective. Also, as was pointed out previously, a true library is also likely to also have lots of artifacts and other things not only help with research paths, but may even inspire them.
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    Oh.
    Well now that you have explained further:
    YES
     
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    Redshirt Army said:
    I mean, ultimately, if we're going to either get a super Library and then build up a Research Institute ourselves, or get a super Research Institute and then build a Library up ourselves, I'd prefer the former.

    I don't actually mind if the Research Institute starts as "official recognition of Max/Johann/Gretel/Adela/Hubert/Panoramia" and nothing else, and we have to step by step build facilities for each of their Winds, attract official investment from the various Colleges, and generally be involved in raising it up from nothing. That sounds interesting as heck, especially if we tie it into the ongoing Waystone Research project.
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    I think I'd prefer a Research Institute that's just "official recognition of Max/Johann/Gretel/Adela/Hubert/Panoramia" with a half-decent library, honestly. Our little corner of the world, slowly and steadily churning out miracles and suddenly it's fantasy Harvard.
     
    Speaking of the Great Library, it seems like an excellent long-term plan for maintaining the Liber Mortis, really - secure it behind the best spellcraft and runecraft we can acquire, with the cooperation of the Guardians of Gazul.
     
    Redshirt Army said:
    Speaking of the Great Library, it seems like an excellent long-term plan for maintaining the Liber Mortis, really - secure it behind the best spellcraft and runecraft we can acquire, with the cooperation of the Guardians of Gazul.
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    SOMEONE.ELSE.FOUND.IT.AND.HANDED.IT.IN.ANONYMOUSLY *.AND.WE.MATHILDE.DID.NOT.KNOW.WHAT.TO.DO.BECAUSE.WE.KNEW.WHAT.HAVING.IT.MIGHT.LOOK.LIKE.PLEASE.MAKE.THIS.PROBLEM.GO.AWAY.

    *To be fair, handing it to various parties was in fact several of the options that we had when it was... bequeathed to us.

    Edit: Bequeathment is a fun word.
     
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