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If you're gonna combine Lores, then wouldn't the best combination be Azyr and Chamon to get blueprints and building instructions straight from the future? :thonk:

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a Khornate Beastherd on the warpath
Beastherds can be aligned to a single god? How do Tzeenchian and Slaaneshi Beastherds look like?
it's probably not anything to worry about.
Well that isn't ominous at all.
Most of Karag Nar remains empty, with mining and masonry Clans currently in residence filling only a tiny fraction of its capacity.
Isn't Karag Nar mostly filled with Umgi?
That Johann is joining the festivities is something of a surprise. Not that the Dwarves allow it
I didn't understand this line. Why would the Dwarves forbid it?
He hesitates a moment longer. "The First Mine, under the Citadel? The Priest took me to visit it as part of my training. I was supposed to meditate in there, but I was curious, and it turns out trace amounts of gromril left behind by a miner counts as 'creation'. I only got the split second of the pick striking the stone, but... it was Them. All three of Them. One mining, one smelting, and one striking down the greenskins. I don't know if they were Gods, but what I saw of Them was more than enough to justify worshipping Them."

Though part of you is aghast at how Johann had apparently been systematically ensorcelling supposed divine artifacts, you can understand the effect that must have had on him. During the quiet parts of the Battle of the Caldera, you saw Dwarves fall to their knees in numbed awe simply from standing in a mineshaft dug by Grungni's own hand. To have caught a glimpse of the Ancestor Gods themselves as they performed one of their greatest acts must have been overwhelming to someone that had never felt the touch of divinity.
Woah. I'm genuinely jealous of that skill.
The Barrows are the most secure of the mines that the Karak is currently working, and the procession splits off as it works its way deeper underground. The topmost levels have been exhausted, but small nuggets of ores and native metals have been secreted around the place for the youngest of children to discover as they swing their tiny picks at piles of loose rock. Below that, the miners have carefully uncovered minor veins without excavating them and marked the path to them for youths strong enough to do some actual mining, but not yet knowledgeable enough for prospecting.
Huh. I didn't know the Karaz Ankor Dawi had it in them to deliberately set up cool busywork for children to artificially feel proud of themselves. Dig deep enough and you learn that a Dwarf in his essence is much more flexible than you'd think. Maybe their culture really does need a reform.
it is a religious obligation to leave your fellow miners be unless they're actively threatened by enemies or cave-ins, even if the sounds coming out of their side branch sound nothing like metal on stone. It's apparently an unspoken tradition for courting couples to venture into the mines together and return with a suspicious lack of ore.
The reason Dwarves don't have a clear fertility god is because they all are :V.
Apart from the Dwarves seeing to food and drink, everyone else is at least as dirty as you, from the smallest child to the most wizened Elder.
Did we see any other non-Dwarves participate? This did happen in Karag Nar after all and I do remember a few Undumgi asking for shrines to Dwarven gods, back when we helped them establish themselves by doing some inspired city-scaping.
"I thought it was odd too at first, but it's a moral teaching. The Hold will look after you if you need it, but it's better to be self-sufficient."
Has anyone told you that you are good at this wisdom stuff?
You nod in understanding. Dwarves usually don't trust metaphors, but the exception is when it's about mining or metals or both.
I also like that you have made this a staple truth in your quest-canon. It's a beautiful way to blend canon Dwarven no-nonsense attitude with the endless Dwarf-style metaphors every author likes to use and still make it consistent and true.
Does anyone have a map in which I can see Karak Azgal's location in reference to other Holds and/or Umgi polities?



@BoneyM Overall a beautifully charming chapter, even if I don't think I am any closer to knowing whether there is any romantic spark between the two of them or whether they are better off just as good friends.
P.S.: Do the romance social votes represent a longer attempt of getting to know someone (romantically) over a period of months with a single date being highlighted, or did we actually only go on a single date these last six months?
 
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@BoneyM I've been trying to think of how to make one of our pistols good at anti-wizard, but is there any better way than just being really good at being a pistol?
 
... To be honest, I feel like we're missing a snippet where Mathilde transitions into thinking about romance, and coming to some interesting conclusions. Like that Panoramia who is actually kinda cute now that she thinks of it, or the golden hunk Johann whose determination impresses even her. Just from the narrative itself, I wouldn't have picked up any interest in romance or dating, unless I'm forgetting something.

Putting those words in Mathilde's mouth would take agency from the voters. This is the getting-to-know-you phase. And Mathilde's internal monologue has always tended to be a bit prim when it came to such matters.
 
Does anyone have a map in which I can see Karak Azgal's location in reference to other Holds and/or Umgi polities?
It's near-ish Karak Azul. Quest-canon wise, it was the site for a spelunking expedition that's ended, but while it was active, it had a sizeable population of adventurers plumbing the depths and trying to avoid all the gribblies.
 
I didn't understand this line. Why would the Dwarves forbid it?
It should be read like this
That Johann is joining the festivities is something of a surprise. Not one that the Dwarves allow it - he has a fair few followers in the Empire as the God of the Forge, and you've read of a Temple to him in Nuln - but one that a Gold Wizard would adopt any God, as they're usually the least religious of the Colleges, both by tradition and the influence of Chamon.
 
Finished Chapter.

So uh... couple of things.

1. I may be falling for Johann. He's become more over the past few years, as a person. And it is him opening up, and the trust in Mathilde that he displayed in doing so that communicated that growth. Also, I get the impression from the last few lines that he knows himself. That's a tragically uncommon thing.

2. I'm looking forward to Panoramia; for while Johann was "I have to prove I am worthy of being a Magister even though I can not into abstract", she is very much (in my mind) "Magister? I have work to be getting on with... unless you think that rank will help somehow?". Also, tasty food and the basic pleasures that add to the tapestry of experience that makes life worth living.

3. While I am one of those that voted for Romance: Dragon, one of the main reasons that I wanted to explore that route is that I wanted to see how BoneyM would write it; the culture and personhood of the Ice Dragon; the complexities and confusions:

My point is, that BoneyM's "Johann Romance Vote" update has proven him to an superlative writer. Even if we collectively choose to not try and enter a romantic relationship with the Ice Dragon, I expect that the first few steps are very likely to be worth reading for the sake of developing a friendship

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I personally think friendship is worth it for it's own sake, but... if that is not enough for you, I would remind you that friendship is power. Or do I need to get Anton in here to hit you with the puppy-dog eyes, and the wrath of everyone who wants to protectt that boi's smile?

So, please, consider voting [Romance] Ice Dragon next social turn. I expect it'll be worth your time reading!
 
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Boney, since a couple of people have been confused by the "something of a surprise" line (including me; I had to read it twice before I parsed it), may I make a suggestion for a reword?

"That Johann is joining the festivities is something of a surprise. Not the fact that the Dwarves allow it - he has a fair few followers in the Empire as the God of the Forge, and you've read of a Temple to him in Nuln - but the fact that a Gold Wizard would adopt any God, as they're usually the least religious of the Colleges, both by tradition and the influence of Chamon."
 
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Hedge Wizard and Illusionists, or in the common parlance - Carnies.

@BoneyM I was wondering, is Marienburg's College of Navigation and Sea Magicks capitalist enough that Mathilde could pay to take classes there? Or peruse their library? I would imagine they might have some interesting topics that wouldn't be available in the Colleges of Magic to learn.
 
Isn't Karag Nar mostly filled with Umgi?

Should be Karagril. Fixed.

I didn't understand this line. Why would the Dwarves forbid it?

Dwarves tend not to share information, it's a natural conclusion that it would extend to their Gods.

Did we see any other non-Dwarves participate? This did happen in Karag Nar after all and I do remember a few Undumgi asking for shrines to Dwarven gods, back when we helped them establish themselves by doing some inspired city-scaping.

No. Grungni's spheres don't have the significance to humans that they do to Dwarves, so most human worshippers of Ancestor Gods go for Grimnir or Valaya.

Does anyone have a map in which I can see Karak Azgal's location in reference to other Holds and/or Umgi polities?

About as far from Karak Eight Peaks as Karak Azul is.

@BoneyM I've been trying to think of how to make one of our pistols good at anti-wizard, but is there any better way than just being really good at being a pistol?

Nothing I can think of off the top of my head. If you're hitting them with a bullet, you're at least most of the way to solving the problem.
 
Hedge Wizard and Illusionists, or in the common parlance - Carnies.

@BoneyM I was wondering, is Marienburg's College of Navigation and Sea Magicks capitalist enough that Mathilde could pay to take classes there? Or peruse their library? I would imagine they might have some interesting topics that wouldn't be available in the Colleges of Magic to learn.

I mean, we're a Grey Wizard. Attending their lectures and accessing their libraries probably doesn't require asking permission. :V
 
It should be read like this
Boney, since a couple of people have been confused by the "something of a surprise" line (including me; I had to read it twice before I parsed it), may I make a suggestion for a reword?

Thank you, I've been banging my head against that sentence for a while.

@BoneyM I was wondering, is Marienburg's College of Navigation and Sea Magicks capitalist enough that Mathilde could pay to take classes there? Or peruse their library? I would imagine they might have some interesting topics that wouldn't be available in the Colleges of Magic to learn.

No. They've resisted a lot of attempts by the Colleges to absorb them over the years, and don't think very fondly of College Wizards as a result.

P.S.: Do the romance social votes represent a longer attempt of getting to know someone (romantically) over a period of months with a single date being highlighted, or did we actually only go on a single date these last six months?

The single date as an event, with a ramp up in general spending time with them in the background.
 
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No. They've resisted a lot of attempts by the Colleges to absorb them over the years, and don't think very fondly of College Wizards as a result.
Could we put on a moustache, a fake Tilean accent, and a hefty helping of Divine Intervention and pretend to be from one of the city states? Or are they barred to all outsiders, regardless of origin?
 
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I think we should learn Classical before going on a date with the dragon. Eltharin is sub-optimal for the purposes of clear communication.
 
This made me giggle:

"Wait, the whole Stirland thing was your Journeying?"


"Yes. All the work I did to affect Stirland politics and also utter destruction of a castle that had existed before the dwarves invented gunpowder as part of a campaign to try and stop the undead bullshit of Sylvanna? Normal Grey Wizard journeying"
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Jokes aside, there is one thing that I do find unfortunate; our roll way back near the start for "asking our fellow grey wizards" for information was low, and as a result... while we are positively regarded by our teacher, the patriarch and the administration the grey college (as represented by the Bursar and our favour score), we never saw any positive relationships with our fellow grey wizards, and even accounting for the limits imposed by the format of 'quest'; that makes me feel sad.
 
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and also utter destruction of a castle that had existed before the dwarves invented gunpowder
Nitpicking on my part, but- since Dwarfs gave gunpowder to humans. Dwarf had cannons back in the War of Vengeance, they very much predate Drakenhof.

(Edit: Quest-canon seems to be that cannons came after the WoV, but certainly pre-Empire still)
 
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Jokes aside, there is one thing that I am sad about here; our roll way back near the start for "asking our fellow grey wizards" for information was low, and as a result... while we are positively regarded by our teacher, the patriarch and the administration the grey college (as represented by the Bursar and our favour score), we never saw any positive relationships with our fellow grey wizards, and even accounting for the limits imposed by the format of 'quest'; that makes me feel sad.

I mean, it kind of makes sense, right? Mathilde was always a bit precocious, and then she got a job as an advisor to an Elector Count straight out of her apprenticeship, while all of her yearmates had to spend that decade pretending to be cabbage farmers to build up a fake identity or whatever.

Then she goes and does a bunch of whacky nonsense that they inevitably get compared to, and all they can remember is how smug she was in the letter she wrote back after she got the job.

I wouldn't be positively inclined, that's for sure.
 
@BoneyM, I remember when asking about Life's End you said it's easier to resist as an enchantment. Easier how if I may ask? I've been guessing in my mind that it makes it an unopposed Leadership Test with a bonus, not worth getting normally, but I just found out about Doom and Darkness which if combined may make instant kills with a Life's End item viable.
 
Doable, but it's a three year degree and the good stuff is pretty far in.
Do you mean in the 'if you take an AP every semester' sense, or in the 'this will cost your every waking moment learning about this stuff' sense?

... What even is 'this stuff', come to think about it. I know it's called Navigation and Sea Magicks, and that they have Azyr and Ulgu in their winds, but are they using Ulgu to manipulate the ship or the weather or something? What services do we know graduates from the college offer?
@BoneyM, I remember when asking about Life's End you said it's easier to resist as an enchantment. Easier how if I may ask? I've been guessing in my mind that it makes it an unopposed Leadership Test with a bonus, not worth getting normally, but I just found out about Doom and Darkness which if combined may make instant kills with a Life's End item viable.
Maybe it's the difference between an NPC and a player in a game? Even if they have the exact same stats, a player is just so much smarter at applying them that their victory is typically inevitable.
 
I mean, it kind of makes sense, right? Mathilde was always a bit precocious, and then she got a job as an advisor to an Elector Count straight out of her apprenticeship, while all of her yearmates had to spend that decade pretending to be cabbage farmers to build up a fake identity or whatever.

Then she goes and does a bunch of whacky nonsense that they inevitably get compared to, and all they can remember is how smug she was in the letter she wrote back after she got the job.

I wouldn't be positively inclined, that's for sure.

How much success does it take to turn envy into fatalism? (e.g. that's Mathilde for you, she isn't suppossed to be measured by normal standards, better treat her like a force of nature rather than comparing ourselves to her.)
 
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