[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] They can make up for the loss in trade
I would rather Brinkmanship and have Marienburg make the first offencive move if possible.
I would rather Brinkmanship and have Marienburg make the first offencive move if possible.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The canals would let them funnel trade through dwarven polities instead of Marienburger interests; the state-level benefit of the course of action is lucrative.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
The Empire will repay its debt by sending trade through the new canal.
[X] They can make up for the loss in trade
[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
While I acknowledge the possibility of a noticeable naval conflict between Barak Varr and elves, I think the risk of it is worth the reward. In the end, even if it happens, it's not going to be cataclysmic. Also, let's not forget that threatening to push through a blockade with dwarven aid does not mean that said push is going to happen - ideally, just the threat of it will discourage Marienburg from pushing quite so aggressively.
While I acknowledge the possibility of a noticeable naval conflict between Barak Varr and elves, I think the risk of it is worth the reward. In the end, even if it happens, it's not going to be cataclysmic. Also, let's not forget that threatening to push through a blockade with dwarven aid does not mean that said push is going to happen - ideally, just the threat of it will discourage Marienburg from pushing quite so aggressively.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
I think people are forgetting that this is an advisor asking for our advice, not us making the choice. Is it fair or a good idea to mislead him because we are personally more afraid of a war possibly breaking out and hurting the dwarves? No, we should be honest, the dwarves will not take this lying down
Could it be something that could be tried by poking Marienburg around a bit? As long as it is deniable enough it'd at least provide valuable intel on how committed the elves are to Marienburg's success.
The problem is that Marienburg actively enforcing a blockade is an act of war and if Elgi factions are helping that... well, things are already critical. The negotiations don't have to be hostile - Empire could for example officially concede the rights for all that wind that goes through the Waystones for some serious diplomatic concessions on Marienburg.
On the flip side of the argument: the legitimacy of the Empire is going to be pretty shaky if Marienburg can contest a project between the Empire and the Karaz Ankor that's physically quite far away and not even a big threat to trade. If a former part of a province like Marienburg can dictate policy on a whim than the throne of Sigmar is flat out weak.
And it is a whim - isn't like the canals are threatening Marienburg's independence and elves and Bretonians aren't going to unload their goods at Barak Varr - what Marienburg will lose will be trade from Araby, Estalia and maybe Tilea; which obviously isn't insignificant but not anywhere near critical.
I don't think anyone would object to more loot.
I don't think we have any major points of contention between the two of us then. I'm mostly interested in a flying dreadnought as a counter to things like Black Arks, it sticking around K8P is largely secondary.
We have a library, and it's getting better every turn. I say this not to dismiss your concerns, but to try to address them; what do you see as the difference between improving the library we have and Belegar getting out and pushing the idea, beyond money thrown at the project?
I'm not disinterested in having a superior library either, I certainly am interested in getting the Verenans onboard with helping us build one up, but I don't know if/when we'll find the AP to engage in that sort of thing.
Desire to know more intensifies.
Now I'm debating how to get the Emperor to agree to send off a steam tank to Zhufbar without expending a Great Deed on it. The three methods I have thought of so far are "talk to Heidi about it so she can mention it to him", "talk to the Emperor about it directly" and "(have someone with the right connections at the colleges) talk to the Imperial Engineers School about it", and I'm not convinced any of those options are the way to go quite yet.
As I understand it, Kragg's focus on his craft centers around arete, about making the best something he can, and that extends to making the best apprentice he can, and that to do that he needs the best material to work with so if he finds the perfect neophyte he'll teach them what he knows, but in this fallen and debased world he's more likely to have a Skaven hauling a wagon of gromril in front of him, apologize for all the grudges and then fall on the ground dead so Kragg doesn't have to kill the raki himself than come across as someone worthy of being taught by him. Is that a fair assessment?
Runic toy hammer to practice with for when he gets older and can use the big one.
Ask Lord Magister Melkoth.
I don't have any objections to these. I'd suggest getting the staff before the robes (for the power boost) and I am on the fence on waiting to try and get Magic 10 somehow before getting the robes or 'just' being effectively well armored as a Bretonnian knight errant.
In rough order of completion, I'm thinking
1. Staff (as soon as we get the proper materials, delayed until then)
2. MMAP for K8P Command
3. AV research in general (may take the 'what does this do for enchanting?' action before the MMAP action)
4. Windsight for Runesmiths (may be helpful, might not. Suspect using the Rune of Brotherhood as a filter may be the best way to get it to interact with runesmiths, which means it'd probably mean a cooperative effort)
5. Waystones. A survey of the local Waystones is probably worth a paper at least, while it might also be made an official action by Belegar.
6. Robes
7. Windherder
8. Coin
Ish. A lot of give & take there, obviously.
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen!
This seems like something dwarfs can help with!
"Aye, we can make sure those chains don't chafe too much, and I've got a cousin who makes pretty adequate locks in Barak Varr. How big a room were you thinking, and did you want it done properly or aboveground?"
I have few objections to orcs being magically compelled to go to the Chaos Wastes, and most of those concerns are for the route they choose to take going through places we care about.
You're talking about something from our druchii romance collection, right?
So what you're saying is, if we make our library big enough....
Magic coin might be helpful with that.
*squints*
Not sure if renegade space marine chapter
Will give the Marienburg problem some thought.
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[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
I'm not certain that this is the best move tactically, but it is the one the Dwarves would be happiest with.
I'm not certain that this is the best move tactically, but it is the one the Dwarves would be happiest with.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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The empire should plan on giving the dwarf some very favorable trade deals in that case. This is very clearly a case of the empire not being able to handle itself and counting on the dwarfs to make up the slack. This entire problem is empire created.
[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
I can see the point of other people's arguments, but I frankly don't want to set the example for Marienburg that they can throw their weight around like this. Because that just means they'll try it again down the line.
I can see the point of other people's arguments, but I frankly don't want to set the example for Marienburg that they can throw their weight around like this. Because that just means they'll try it again down the line.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
If we don't vote for the "they can pay you back" option he apparently won't even know that that option exists. At that point the only option is to either take the option we voted for - go to war - or not. And it's not going to be "not". The structure of the vote and how Mathilde is apparently going to be handling it indicates that we are making this choice.
That's not Mathilde's decision to make. Her input is limited to her sharing her knowledge of the Dwarves.
To be fair, Marienburg is currently threatening a blockade rather than actually having declared one. If the Empire claps back to Marienburg with "You do that, and we'll call in Barak Varr to wreck your everything - and they'll do that." the chances that Marienburg will actually go through with declaring a blockade rather than trying to for some minor diplomatic concessions as deescalation are much more likely.
Okay, it'd cost the equivalent of tens or hundreds of billions of dollars. The equivalent amount of trade would be somewhere between the EU and Germany, which is north of a trillion and a half dollars as of 2017, which is around ten times that amount.
Propping up trade for 5 years, even if not all trade is affected and the Dawi only partially compensate for the lost trade, would still be an order of magnitude or two more expensive than the canal project.
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That is not how independence movements work. We all reach back to an imagined past to galvanise support. I garuntee you that since independence the rulers of Marienburg have been paying for street performers to perfome plays about how perdiferous Sigmar invaded and subjugated them and how the magnates who baught the cities freedom are grand patriots who represent the best qualities of all marienburgers.
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[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
[X] They can make up for the loss in trade
As stated, I will be approval voting, as neither side has been fully ble to sway me.
[X] They can make up for the loss in trade
As stated, I will be approval voting, as neither side has been fully ble to sway me.
