There was some discussion of invisibility for him as an added safety feature, though barring Act Of Eshin it seems unlikely to show up(and if there was Act of Eshin being invisible also means only Mathilde would notice if he vanished)
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I know we don't bring wolf to battle and it's definitely a good reason. But that doesn't mean that rune enhanced equipment is pointless for Wolf. It seems like we're pretty limited when it comes to rune equipment that we can use as Mathilde...might as well brainstorm for wolf.
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Hrmph. Wasn't there an unofficial thread policy, or at least thread etiquette best practice, of "Don't @ Boney between vote-close and post, so he can write in peace"?
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Which was the single worst choice we ever made!
If there's a tricky question I'll ask it to be put off until it's written, but I take regular breaks to think while writing anyway. If I wasn't spending that time here, it would be elsewhere.
It has been explored. Marginal gains, we literally get more out of helping the Colleges.
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*world-weary sigh* ...rune talisman to turn Mathilde into an Ulgu-dragon.
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...I don't think there are runes that do transformation effects. And if they were, they'd be wildly incompatible with wind magic, and would turn us into a Dragon of Magical Neutrality at best and a Dragon of Magical Nullity at worst.
Also, it would make our recent altar purchase look real silly, if the dwarves could do dragons on demand all along.
The Elephantine School
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Come to think of it, I was thinking what would happen if we keep going down that road while we keep succeeding...
Lecturer, a few hundred years later "To understand how we view Grey Magic today, one must understand the conflict between the orthodox and the Elephantine school of thought of Grey magic. We talked about the orthodox school last lesson, but although the Elephantine school is much more recent, it is arguably just as important. Popularised by Lady Magister Mathilde, arguably the most important Grey Magister in history and certainly the one people from outside the Grey College know the most about, the Elephantine school of thought's basis is that people using ulgu should not be using it just to do stealth things any normal human could do but better, but instead attempt to enable the achievement of what most humans would deem impossible.
Apprentice: "Why is it called the Elephantine school of thought?:
Lecturer "Strange name, isn't it? It came after Mathilde, coined by Magister Rolph's famous phrase "normal humans can sneak a dagger into a party, if they are talented enough. Grey Magisters can sneak an elephant in, if they are talented enough. So grey magisters should stop thinking like humans and start thinking like magisters, if they want to achieve things like magisters". Later, that same Magister published a book that became very popular among journeymen and younger Magisters. You may have seen it in the library, it is called: "Grey Magister Manual: Now you are thinking with elephants". From that moment on, the name was stuck, and Magisters who used stealth to sneak extravagant things, or sneak in a extravagant way, were generally considered to be of that school. '
"Of course, historians still disagree on whether or not Mathilde counts as part of that school. Elephantine thinkers claim that yes, she does, partially because the prestige she commands would be a great boon to her school. Other historians claim that no, she doesn't, and that the evidence is circumstantial. Lady Mathilde herself, when asked, just shrugged."
The historical lesson continues for a while, with minituae and elaboration on the arguments of various thinkers.
"In the end, the common consesus of the Grey College was, like always, practical. Said consensus states that one should never forget to think with Elephants, but at the same time, should also follow the path of least resistance. If a dagger suffices, why bring an elephant? You should remember an elephant is an option, if it makes your mission easier or possible, but in the end there is usually no reason to use an elephant instead of a dagger to assasinate someone that sabotages the empire. "
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Without magic's vagueness to fudge material requirements, making something so complex happen with Runes would be Ancestor God tier work at least.
SuperSonicSound
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That's not really true, runic magic is functionally equivalent to high magic in operation. It being utilised on us shouldn't be a problem at all. Dwarven magic is still magic they just have a way of channelling that isn't through the soul. A good example of why this is likely to be true is the master rune of awakening and the result of what happened to the dwarves in the war of the beard that activated rune golems turning to stone.
High magic spells shouldn't be a problem when used on mono wind mages.
Although yea I don't think there are any runes that can do this.
Eh, runic transformation is obviously not the kind of thing dwarves would have experimented with much but I'd say that's plenty of scope for runes to be capable of this with out having required thungni to have made the rune, not that it matters given how deteriorated dwarven craft is from their heights any way.
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Afaik it is okay as long as it is Ulgu, no? But I guess by now we can do most interesting Ulgu enchantments ourselves.
We could spread just one or two aspects of Ranald among them, no? Or, you know, the adultered version we gave as an explanation to Belegar and Kragg.
I think Thungni would have to make it if it was an item to transform a person that can be turned on and off. Dwarves may be able to do it themselves by carving the runes into the soul of a person they want to transform, like Bok, but making it temporary and toggle-able is way more complex with runes.
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To worship part of Ranald is to worship all of him. It'd be kind of a dick move to convert Dwarves on false pretences.
A little safer, but Mathilde can sort of break the slot caps when she's enchanting her own stuff for her own aura, and well, she's like one more step from conventional mastery of enchantment and two more for true expertise...
Protector says those hurting the People get their shit wrecked.
It'd just be more of getting your cult breached and set on fire over the course of the search by a band of masked investigators rather than torture and burn witch hunters.
Some poor quarters effectively are Ranald-dominated societies, and they do fairly well at stamping out that sort of thing.
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Ranald is the god of chaotic good, including the good aspects of vigilantism. I suspect chaos cults would get killed by people dressed with spandex.
Sure, the Protector would drive that, and the Deceiver/Night Prowler means there's plenty of subtlety.
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I'm not ruling out anything anymore. Unless BoneyM says it can't be done, I'm just gonna assume it can.
Besides, the idea is this is something for Mathilde personally, not for K8P. And why wouldn't she want to be a dragon?
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People pray to and even worship Ranald without being necesarily okay with stealing just because you can, taking massive chances or peasant rebellions against The Man, no? Not to mention that there are people worshipping Ranald the Merchant despite him not being a true aspect yet. Everything is up to interpretation. Honoring Ranald only in his capacity to steal from, deceive, and protect against the enemies of the Dwarves, nudge the dice of fate and maybe help keeping things from the less flexible traditionalists for their own good could be decent for a Ranger.
I know that. It's just mostly reactive, barring master infiltrator-investigators that like having their hand in every secret pie. I guess a Grey Order style (but more selfish and less magically powerful) secret society that just play along and have fun in any conspiracy they participate in except the ones that do Chaos/Dhar stuff or are otherwise a threat to the little guy or society as a whole, which they are sworn to dismantle so hard no one even knows it ever happened.
But those poor quarters still exist in a larger society that can deal with more organized attempts of Chaos Corruption that a tight-knit neighborhood wouldn't be able to just deal with.
Honestly, the main reason I thought it could be a bit harder than for some other gods is because things like live and let live and keeping secrets is more accepted among them.
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So, is Wolf a narrative dead end then? No upgrades, because it isn't worth the opportunity cost. No further training/attunement because we are worried Mathilde will become enthralled or too dependent on Wolf. Any risky activities are right out due to magical backlash potential for Mathilde.
I don't know. I guess I just feel a familiar should continue to grow with their master.
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The reason is style and it always applies.
It helps to have a fall person ready who can't speak a language to defend themselves with.