Think theres some player-against-house types which resembled carnival games. Games of darts, wrestling rings, etc, where theres a top prize on offer, but the players still competed against each other on fixed challenges?
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Wow humans are worse at engineering than I thought in warhammer, can't even make a roulette wheel.
No wonder the dorfs had to uplift them.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
That's how we solve the issue of lasting into 'modern' Warhammer Fantasy and the transition between Total War Warhammer 1 and 2: Ghost Form, Ethereal. We officially become the Empire's one sanctioned ghost and pop up whenever shit's really about to hit the fan.
We're not going to the realm of the divines until we've unlocked a way to kick Sigmar in his gigantic balls, that's the last word.
Belegar the first just looks down and grins. "Boi, she fuckin' retook Karak Eight Peaks and officially impressed Gazul enough to get a place in dwarf afterlife. She can call you whatever the hell she wants, GIT GUD SCRUB!"
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Horse racing seem far more likely if they want something that's a game of almost pure chance to bet on.
They could even try some games of chance using dice that aren't gambling for money at all.
(look at camera)
"Do you like dice games, but hate losing money? Do you enjoy playing armchair general and playing and replaying battles in your mind? Do you enjoy pushing little painted figures around a table? Well does the Gambling Hall of Ranald ever have a game for you. We call it *The Hammer of War* and it most definitely involves rolling dice."
(look at camera)
"Do you like dice games, but hate losing money? Do you enjoy playing armchair general and playing and replaying battles in your mind? Do you enjoy pushing little painted figures around a table? Well does the Gambling Hall of Ranald ever have a game for you. We call it *The Hammer of War* and it most definitely involves rolling dice."
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
*The God Turn happens consecutively whenever people play Bloodthirsters, people give up on trying to play the ruinous powers*
Ranald: I didn't plan this, but I enjoy the results.
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- Australia
Looking at GW's prices, this idea probably isn't for people who hate losing money...
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- Singapore
No, it didn't lose to Vitae Research/Temple Building - because it was an EIC action, it lost to the long argued for Internal Security action for the EIC - something that was likely to win for similar reasons of pushes for AV. It also lost because advocates could not come up with a convincing argument why pre-emption was necessary since the scale of this threat was unknowable to advocates.
In any case, piracy was only one example of my argument for the rumor mill, not the argument itself. The argument itself is that we can't begin to even access the magnitude of many things we are being asked to make decisions on, because we have no access to any information network. For example, we are basically approaching the Al-Ulric from a position of very limited knowledge of what is exactly going on within Nordland and Middenland, only that the two provinces are gearing up for an inter-provincial war.
I think without building an information network, pre-empting matters are going to be very hard - even judging whether it's worth Mathilde's 0.5AP to do so is difficult, because no risk-reward assessment can be remotely conducted on the "oh threat X has opened an option to respond with action Y". Well, how big is threat X? How fast is it growing? How urgent is it that we respond to threat X? Are there other movers and shakers planning and fully capable of responding to threat X anyway, so we can afford to wait? Minus the info network, I suspect the QM's response would be: Mathilde has no way of knowing these things as of now, a reasonable stance, but one that probably makes debating over decision making an activity built on biases and unconfirmed assumptions.
It isn't enough that we know an issue exists when we don't know the dimensions of the issue. It might or might not be Mathilde's job to intervene, but in the absence of information infrastructure, debating whether it should be done is operating on little information.
I do think depending on what the Al-Ulric wants to meet with us for, the urgency of building up an external-facing information network via the EIC may well increase with the coming turns, now that the Eight Peaks is secured. Even the rumor mill alone is likely to provide alot of context the thread is so far having to extrapolate from fishes that happened to jump onto Mathilde's boat.
In any case, the origin of this issue laid with the initial question of whether Mathilde knows about the sentiments of other Dwarf Holds, regarding the effects of the reconquest of the Eight Peaks. While one might argue that strictly speaking, Mathilde the Loremaster doesn't need to necessarily know about this information, Mathilde the Grey Wizard operating in Karaz Ankor may be well served to at least know what the general Dwarven public is saying about the Eight Peaks, since there's always a potential that she is going to play a role in Dwarven Politics through her decisions, as she did during the Battle of the Caldera when she send a Gyrocopter to Thorgrim. In a time before mass media, Mathilde's grasp of current affairs is going to be dependant on the information network she has access to (as seen by the aforementioned question posted to BoneyM and his answer), and I don't think anyone could argue against Mathilde having more awareness of Current Affairs, especially after this turn.
This is not an argument for Mathilde doing other people's job, one could argue as a Grey Magister, being informed is Mathilde's duty. Being informed is not a decision nor obligation for Mathilde to intervene, it is a means of judging the wisdom of such a course of action.
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I really have no idea why the EIC internal security action got put into the vote or why it seemed more important than the rumor mill. Just a whim of whoever put together the overall plan, I guess.
I'm pretty sure the logic is that we need to secure the company as a company before all the economic overturning items went into place and ultimately we could not turn away from the a K8P before it was secure and the problems at hand were dealt with which just happened and now we can afford to turn our gaze outward.
Not at all. The EIC action featured negligibly to the debate, people didn't even notice or care that it was different. Its an inherent issue of plan voting and unavoidable with larger turn plans. The Vitae debate was polarizing enough that whichever halfway adequate plan with Vitae would beat all other competitors unless it also had "Praise Chaos" or "Mass Necromancy"
I really wouldn't go this far, the choices where based on the idea that we were going to be mainly inward facing in our interests for a good while yet.
In that thinking security was actually more important then rumor mill in that we where not expecting to focus on external matters.
It's just that the last battle has flipped things around so that external is more important now.
With the information and broad plan of before it wasn't a wrong choice so to speak.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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Roulette wasn't invented irl until the 17th century and it didn't get popular until the 18th. They're doing fine.
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- Edgington
Well we're celibate like a nun. That's got to count for something, right?
If internal focus was desired, then "information about the non-Undumgi" would make sense as well. But the security agency seems utterly bizarre and out of nowhere given that there were zero indications an auditing agency was actually necessary. What problem was it supposed to address, exactly? Was someone worried about the skaven infiltrating the EIC?!
Yes, indeed, you all have a problem. Not me though. I can quit whenever I want.
Veekie is like Student in Hero BBS, he is in every thread.
I'm all for rumor mill and I can say it's losing consistently to better safe than sorry actions. It's not a whim or a fluke: there's a decent chance it will lose again to making river police or something like that.
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I'm liking the ones we are getting and an all for more- you thinking of trying it?
Flirting. Like, his clothes get shredded all the time, right? Clothes shopping and we get to dress him up and admire the slabs of golden muscle he has. Or we could tell him we've got the technical library and have him be grateful... Or he could confess to us,v because he likes us, wants a partner who can challenge and exceed him, and we just publicly kicked ass.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
I've asked something like this before, so I wouldn't be surprised if you got the same answer I did:
That was in a rather different context, the dwarf fist priest was less central to Mathilde's interest than either the demon-summoning magician (hello there Wisdom's Asp) or the sorceress with strange (arcane-divine) energies mingling inside her.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Damn i was really hoping we would see a few of the guests trying to get personal time with Mathilde after the lectures.
Not unless the thread has a reason to pursue them beyond novelty.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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It's not that far from the Silver Pinnacle and does exist in Stirland which as far as we know still does have an active Lahmian presence next door in Sylvania. It's not exactly an "Anti Vampire" option but I don't recall having one, so make do with what we have.
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- Berkeley
Better safe than sorry is the name of the game when you're dealing with a company that's on track to become one of the most powerful in the Empire. Especially when it has a focus on dominating local markets and exploiting information advantages, as both approaches are eminently abusable.
I don't have anything against a rumor mill in the near future, but we don't exactly need one now. A spymaster or someone whose job it actually is to worry about/account for the ripples from events in other places needs a rumor mill, but neither our current job nor the responsibilities we have taken for ourself would really benefit from it.
Meanwhile, corruption is way easier to nip if you start early, and the general merchant culture of the Empire is really fairly corrupt. Discouraging people from taking up riverine piracy by putting together patrol boats prior to it spiking means that fewer people are going to get into the piracy business and fewer boats are lost playing catch-up in patrol boat numbers and training. Yeah, I get that you want the rumor mill sooner rather than later, but I'd rather we ensured that the foundation is well built and obvious major risks are protected against before going for a stretch goal/vanity piece.
I don't have anything against a rumor mill in the near future, but we don't exactly need one now. A spymaster or someone whose job it actually is to worry about/account for the ripples from events in other places needs a rumor mill, but neither our current job nor the responsibilities we have taken for ourself would really benefit from it.
Meanwhile, corruption is way easier to nip if you start early, and the general merchant culture of the Empire is really fairly corrupt. Discouraging people from taking up riverine piracy by putting together patrol boats prior to it spiking means that fewer people are going to get into the piracy business and fewer boats are lost playing catch-up in patrol boat numbers and training. Yeah, I get that you want the rumor mill sooner rather than later, but I'd rather we ensured that the foundation is well built and obvious major risks are protected against before going for a stretch goal/vanity piece.