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If the quantity of one's arguments equated to their quality, then I would still reign above you; I may be the weakest of the four heavenly thread kings, and those thrones ever shifting as the days turn, save for BoneyM's unreachable and constant star, but I still wield that dreadful power. :V
*realizes he's far below in 12th place*
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I may be the least of the Twelve Zodiacs...! :V
 
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I'm not really sure what people are expecting to see in this scene.

"Welp, guess we know why that was a bad idea."
"Was it, though? The loot was pretty good, and it all turned out well."
"Guess you're right."

Like, beyond a line or two of belated 'whoops', what is there to talk about?
Personal thoughts so far are:
-Algard - Headpats for Waaaghbane! We're not addicted, we can stop any time.
-Belegar - Thorgrim Confrontation? Or does he want to mull over what to do there before he commits?
-Kragg - The Eye of Gazul - Already did it.
-Gunnar - The Eye of Gazul - Already did it.
-Ulrikadrin - So what about the Ar Ulric business?
-Anton - Is the factory opening this turn or the next?
-Johann - So...that was a big beehive we kicked over huh? Also punching greenskins in boiling soil, what does it feel like?
-Hubert - You have found glory at the Gates, what now? Will your Journey move on or will you seek something new?
-Gretel - Death gods, Morr or less. Already did it.
-Panoramia - So...about using the Eye of Gazul for agriculture...I went and did it :p
-Fransesco - How do you find your spot as leader of the Undumgi now that Eight Peaks is taken? Think we did this already.
 
One of the first decisions you made was not to engage in player-versus-house games to prevent resentment from the patrons and adversarial thinking from the staff.
Anyone seeking to cheat was very quickly seen through by those that know when the Gambler is suddenly supplanted by the Deceiver.

Perhaps I am uninformed, but as I understand it, most player-vs-player games have a great deal of bluffing, misdirection, and deception involved. Of course, poker is the classic example of this, but it seems most of them do.

Of course, most of the games in modern casinos are house vs players.

Also, does no player-vs-house games mean nothing like, say, roulette and other pure-luck games? I'm not sure I completely understand where you draw the line, unless you cut them all out, but then you lose so many popular gambling options.
 
@BoneyM, what's the advantage of a steam gun over a drakegun? Wouldn't a drakegun do more damage since fire is hotter than steam?
Fuel and morale, I'd imagine. They trade a complex chemical substance that requires special handling for a tub of water and an enchantment, and the sometimes lesser damage gives the poor soul longer to let all his friends know how horrible their death was, in a system where your formation breaking means you're done for.
Personal thoughts so far are:
-Algard - Headpats for Waaaghbane! We're not addicted, we can stop any time.
-Belegar - Thorgrim Confrontation? Or does he want to mull over what to do there before he commits?
-Kragg - The Eye of Gazul - Already did it.
-Gunnar - The Eye of Gazul - Already did it.
-Ulrikadrin - So what about the Ar Ulric business?
-Anton - Is the factory opening this turn or the next?
-Johann - So...that was a big beehive we kicked over huh? Also punching greenskins in boiling soil, what does it feel like?
-Hubert - You have found glory at the Gates, what now? Will your Journey move on or will you seek something new?
-Gretel - Death gods, Morr or less. Already did it.
-Panoramia - So...about using the Eye of Gazul for agriculture...I went and did it :p
-Fransesco - How do you find your spot as leader of the Undumgi now that Eight Peaks is taken? Think we did this already.
Regimand, to discuss all the weird stuff that's going on? We saw gods doing their thing, and had to stare every one of our victims in the face; he's the only one I could think to talk to about it. I'd imagine he'd be awfully proud of how cool we are in every aspect of our lives, but also supportive.
 
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Perhaps I am uninformed, but as I understand it, most player-vs-player games have a great deal of bluffing, misdirection, and deception involved. Of course, poker is the classic example of this, but it seems most of them do.

Of course, most of the games in modern casinos are house vs players.

Also, does no player-vs-house games mean nothing like, say, roulette and other pure-luck games? I'm not sure I completely understand where you draw the line, unless you cut them all out, but then you lose so many popular gambling options.
I think the idea is that you BLUFF, but not CHEAT. The odds are sacred. Your opponent's judgement is shit.
 
-Ulrikadrin - So what about the Ar Ulric business?
Yeah, Ruprecht is definitely fairly interesting and someone I'm going to vote for. Talking to the Al-Ulric is definitely going to lead to a vote of whether we want to do whatever the Al-Ulric wants or not.

Even if WolfPope isn't going to ask us about Ulrikadrin, Ruprecht is politically savvy and has personally dealt with this guy a lot. Getting some advice from him would be worth a fair bit.
 
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Yeah, Ruprecht is definitely fairly interesting and someone I'm going to vote for. Talking to the Al-Ulric is definitely going to lead to a vote of whether we want to do whatever the Al-Ulric wants or not.

Even if WolfPope isn't going to ask us about Ulrikadrin, Ruprecht is politically savvy and has personally dealt with this guy a lot. Getting some advice from him would be worth a fair bit.
I look forward to accidentally terrifying him again by starting our conversation off with "so the Ar-Ulric asked me to come talk to him".
 
Yeah, Ruprecht is definitely fairly interesting and someone I'm going to vote for. Talking to the Al-Ulric is definitely going to lead to a vote of whether we want to do whatever the Al-Ulric wants or not.

Even if WolfPope isn't going to ask us about Ulrikadrin, Ruprecht is politically savvy and has personally dealt with this guy a lot. Getting some advice from him would be worth a fair bit.
if we are allowed to talk to Ruprecht first we can go 'so I have a meeting with the Al-Ulric in a few weeks... anything you want to get your side of things said before then?'
 
if we are allowed to talk to Ruprecht first we can go 'so I have a meeting with the Al-Ulric in a few weeks... anything you want to get your side of things said before then?'
Yeah. I mean, it does make sense that Math would go to him. They're not friends, but certainly friendly and he knows a lot about Ulric's cult.

Hell, if we end up being focused on the cult, I'd definitely be willing to spend an action to go to him and get an ulrican diplomacy skill later on. Sounds like it'd be invaluable.
 
Yeah. I mean, it does make sense that Math would go to him. They're not friends, but certainly friendly and he knows a lot about Ulric's cult.

Hell, if we end up being focused on the cult, I'd definitely be willing to spend an action to go to him and get an ulrican diplomacy skill later on. Sounds like it'd be invaluable.
.... it says so much about Mathys social skills that 'guy who is terrified about us deciding he should die' is 'certainly friendly'.


Unless it comes up at the next council meeting, Mathilde had no way to see or hear what those reactions would be.
we should get that rumor mill next turn, it's really starting to matter.
 
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we should get that rumor mill next turn, it's really starting to matter.

Seconded, I feel like Mathilde is flying blind without it. We are basically going to meet the Al Ulric without even knowing what rumors are coming out from the northern situation, for example. We don't know what is the effects of reclaiming the Eight Peaks beyond Barak Vaar. We don't know that piracy in the riverine links connecting the Eight Peaks and the civilized world was an issue of sufficent magnitude for Belegar to personallly leave the Karak to deal with it.

First the rumor mill so we have a better idea what exactly is going on on a surface public level. Then the handlers. Then a deeper intelligence network to gather non public information on matters that we might need eyes on.

I get the feeling if we are called into the Northern crisis, we are going to badly need the network and needed it yesterday.
 
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Actually we knew this one. We even had an EIC option to pre-empt it.

Yet the option was never taken, because we had no way to know how much a priority it was. Just because you know a problem exist doesn't tell you about the severity of the problem. My point isn't on the existence of events, my point is that we know almost nothing about what is going on within these events, not even at Rumor Mill levels.

What the thread had zero way of gauging was the severity of the issue. Which was why large portions of the thread utterly dismissed the EIc option to pre-empt it as one that risked militarizing a mega corp for what was seen as a trivial threat.

The problem is that because we have no way to judge the magnitude of events, many of our options to pre empt things are deferred as the thread has no way to know how urgent or severe the magnitude of the situation is.

We know problems exist, but without any info infarsturcture, even guessing how much of a priority pre-empting something is, is not possible unless Mathilde saw the severity first hand. Just see how Stirland shot up in priority once we realized that the severity of the situation was at the point Roswitta was receiving weekly assassination attempts.
 
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Water is more available and less hazardous than flamethrower oil.
Also to elaborate on this: Keep in mind they don't have significant sources of petroleum or mineral oil in general. A lot of fuel oil is going to be extracted from lard, tar pits, wood distillation, etc. Which means that flow consistency is a major concern, organic oils tend to congeal at lower temperatures, and keeps poorly because the impurities means its an ongoing breakdown process.

And well. An oil clog in your sink from congealed grease is annoying.
An oil clog in your flamethrower kills you.
 
"I am King Belgar Ironhammer the 4th. I merely have one question for you, Karl Franz of the Empire... WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CAT! It's always just here, asking for treats and scratches behind the ears! And Kragg just told me he's seen one that looks identical to this since my ancestor retook Eight Peaks! Tell me Emperor of humans! Tell me from whence it came so I may know its allegiance!"

The Emperor took one look at the fourth King of Karak Eight Peaks. Then looked down at the cat purring softly as the king continued to scratch it in just the right place. Then he looked back up to the King. And said one thing:"

"Even in death, you vex and confound Mathilde."
The ghost of Mathilde Weber, standing behind Belegar IV, shouted, "Not my fault this time! It just pays to be friends with the Jades, okay?"

"Pass on already!" Karl requested.

"Get stuffed, Karl! I still have books I haven't read."

"Smut," Belegar IV specified, in a long-suffering sort of way. "Smut she hasn't read."

"It's called romance, you uncultured dawi!"

"Grandma, please go to join Gazul already, the White Dwarf promises He isn't mad about that previous matter anymore."

"Why do you keep asking that? You're going to hurt my feelings, Belekkit."

Belegar IV's expression, half-hidden behind his snowy white beard, appears to be a sort of begging look directed at the sky, as if to say, 'Please let her stop calling me Little Belegar, I'm 187 already.'
 
What the thread had zero way of gauging was the severity of the issue. Which was why large portions of the thread utterly dismissed the EIc option to pre-empt it as one that risked militarizing a mega corp for what was seen as a trivial threat.

The problen is that because we have no way to judge the magnitude of events, many of our options to pre empt things are deferred as the thread has no way to know how urgent or severe the magnitude of the situation is.
Well thats true, but I'd note that the threat is well known in general, just that people once again applied modern sensibilities to a medieval/renaissance period environment, it was argued and quite solidly.

Ultimately it lost to an unrelated matter, since the key push was on Vitae research/Temple building, and the other discussion points were ornamental.
 
Also, does no player-vs-house games mean nothing like, say, roulette and other pure-luck games? I'm not sure I completely understand where you draw the line, unless you cut them all out, but then you lose so many popular gambling options.
Those options are popular now. In the quests time period, gambling usually happens between players with very portable dice or cards, instead of against a casino with bulky and complicated paraphernalia.
 
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