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The thing about Ulgu doing things outside of its wheelhouse - burning shadows, shadowsteed, etc. - is that they're generally weaker imitations of other schools, which is exactly what I'd expect from the school of Deceit. Ridiculous mountain shenanigans aside, Burning Shadows is usually a knock-off Ashqy spell cast at a higher difficulty than the equivalent ashqy spell might. That makes sense.

It does make sense thematically, and yet I think that the other schools would be slightly annoyed at Ulgu's "I can do anything any of you can" approach anyway. :V

There are even canon Ulgu spells that clearly steal Hysh's schtick by blinding people with bright light, justified because it was the illusion of bright light.
If we get a trait for exfiltration, or getting out of bad situations, it's not impossible we could invent this as some sort of Battle Magic you have to cast beforehand. Hell, maybe someone else can take the spell, Master it as canon Confound Foe and release it to one-up us.

Within Divided Loyalties mechanics, Confound Foe seems like the sort of thing that was the result of several sequential natural 100's during spell generation. :V
 
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Meanwhile, in BelegarQuest 2
Meanwhile, in Belegar Quest...


"… How much material have you had sitting there, waiting for this to come up, Money?"
MoneyB said:
Mathilde's relationships:

> You kill a lot of Grobi and Thaggoraki. Dreng approves.
< His name is one letter from meaning 'Slayer'. He's impulsive, hot-tempered and uncouth. But he has a century of experience across the entire Old World, and his tactical acumen is formidable.
Intrigue quester, /smirk: "Dreng is a simple soul, isn't he."
Stewardship quester: "Maybe not our best pick ever for Marshal."
Martial quester, /stoutly: "He's doing fine, minus a hangar fire or two!"
Intrigue quester, /diffidently: "I'm kind of loving the Mathilde Weber Intel Files, tbh"
MoneyB said:
> Karak Azul has been isolated since before the birth of Sigmar. To Prince Kazrik, humans are a strange and exotic species that he never expected to actually meet. And Wizards are the most exotic of all.
Piety quester: "Should we be chaperoning these two?"
Diplomacy quester, /not today, Kazrik: "He'll have to get in line!"
< Prince Kazrik has blossomed as the Diplomat of Karak Eight Peaks, and has shown an ability to persuade men and Dwarves alike.
Martial quester, /hear ye hear ye: "All hail the God of Crit Rolls, and Kazrik his prophet!"
Learning quester, /philosophically: "Our Karak is so friggin' weird, what's a new manling engineering campus?"
MoneyB said:
< Prince Gotri Stoneheart is older than you but seems a teenager. He's overdramatic, his grasp of politics wouldn't be out of place among the student radicals of the University of Altdorf, and his main priority in life seems to be infuriating his father and the Zhufbar Guild of Engineers, despite them being a thousand miles away. But he's an amazing pilot, a skilled engineer, and he doesn't give a damn about conventions.
Stewardship quester, /smirk: "She's got him pegged, all right."
Intrigue quester: "This manling University sounds… interesting. Is this the one that Kazrik-"
Diplomacy quester: "Different school."
Stewardship quester, /alarmed: "A whole campus of Gotris? Ancestor Gods save us!"
> He's yet to form much of an opinion of you as a person, but he definitely approves of you as a symbol of iconoclastic progress.
Piety quester, /smirk: "Our poor, poor Traditionalist bloc."
Learning quester: "In fairness to our Radicals, Thorgrim is being a bit of an ass right now."
MoneyB said:
> You're very helpful, very good at your job, and a little bit frightening. Princess Edda doesn't understand you, but as you're a wizard she never expected to. She likes you.
Stewardship quester, /gushy: "It's cute that Edda has a friend."
Intrigue quester: "Probably a good thing that our Steward is friends with our Secret Police."
Learning quester, /ackshually: "Loremaster."
Intrigue quester: "That too."
< She is a formidable expert in the field of organizing Dwarves, but though she can get on fine with humans, when she manages them her eye for minor details becomes a weakness as she tries and fails to account for every possibility.
Piety quester: "Something to keep in mind, but since she told us herself…"
Stewardship quester, /stoutly: "She'll figure something out."
Learning quester: "Or if it gets bad, we can put Mathilde on it."
Martial quester, /smirk: "Sure, that always works. Too well. Death Fortress eyeing us forbiddingly from the mountaintops says 'hi'."
Learning quester: "You say that like we wouldn't build a battle mountain, if we could."
Stewardship quester: "We did: the manlings just did the fiddly bits. Money is the best superpower."
MoneyB said:
> He sees you as a Master of a vital responsibility that comes with the burden of being shunned by those that fear it or do not understand it. Just like he is.
< For some reason, you find yourself thinking of Gunnars as youthful despite being about four times your age. He is full of intensity and focus, and seems to have some very esoteric insights.
Learning quester: "Gunnars is kind of a downer."
Martial quester, /philsophically: "That's Gazul for you."
Stewardship quester, /singing: "Every party needs a pooper, that's why they invited you~"
MoneyB said:
> King Belegar believes that without you, Karak Eight Peaks would be a pyrrhic symbol of vengeance instead of a reborn home for his people.
Learning quester: "Best 100 we ever rolled, that's for sure."
Piety quester: "Gives us gray hairs, though."
MoneyB said:
< He embodies everything you like about the Dwarves and very little of what infuriates you about them.
Stewardship quester, /cooing: "Aw, that's sweet."
Martial quester: "Am I the only one that thinks that sounds vaguely ominous? What infuriates her about dwarves?"
MoneyB said:
< King Kazador Thunderhorn has decades of experience in combat and warfare, and so efficiently purged the mountains near Karak Azul that the greenskins learned to climb mountains. And then he made his Throng learn too so they could follow them. Don't underestimate him.
Intrigue quester, /sagely: "A timely reminder not to underestimate our Brother-King."
Martial quester: "Plus he's a hoot"
Piety quester: "The memes are strong with him."
> Hmm. Kazok, kazgal and Kazgrom like tall women. I wonder if she likes bearded lads? Sure, they say that manlings and Dwarves can't have children, but have any of them actually tried?
Martial quester: "U wot m8"
Diplomacy quester, /not today, Kazador: "Get in line, I said!"
Stewardship quester: "Chaperones! All the chaperones!"
MoneyB said:
> Panoramia is thoroughly impressed and a little terrified of you.
< She is sweet, but coddled and naïve. It's clear her natural home is fields and forests, not battlefields.
Stewardship quester: "This is significantly less sweet than I was expecting, seeing this relationship from the outside."
Intrigue quester: "When you're Secret Police…"
Diplomacy quester: "Does she have a friend that isn't a little terrified of her?"
Learning quester: "Yeah. Us."
MoneyB said:
> Every time Johann thinks he's got something by you, it's come back to bite him later. He's accepted that it will be easier for him to be your employee than your problem.
< His natural glibness sets off every suspicious bone in your body, which is all of them, but you're pretty sure you've got a good read on him.
Diplomacy quester: "Seriously, how many of her friendships are like this?"
Stewardship quester: "Do we need to hold an intervention?"
Martial quester: "I'm more concerned about the wizard shadow war that may or may not be happening when we're not looking."
MoneyB said:
> Wilhelmina Hochschild has reached the impression that you're going to bend the world to your will and wants to be in a position to benefit from that as much as possible.
< She is a good person at heart, but worryingly intense about trade. You don't know how much further she'd go if she didn't have you watching over her shoulder.
Stewardship quester, /srs: "Who?"
Piety quester, /not srs: "Oh Mathilde, why are you like this"
Stewardship quester: "No, seriously, who???"
MoneyB said:
> Baron Anton Kiesinger trusts you implicitly and has pretty much adopted you as his little sister.
Diplomacy quester: "Who???"
MoneyB said:
>So that's why Magnus the Pious thought it was worth the risk. No wonder Da spoke so highly of her.
< Elector Countess Roswita Van Hal fired you. You've learned why and don't like it, but do understand it. She's the daughter of the man you… cared for. She's doing the best she can. It's complicated.
Stewardship quester, /smirk: "Complicated sounds about right. And we gave her a runefang?"
Intrigue quester, /ackshually: "We gave Stirland a runefang."
Diplomacy quester, /NOT TODAY, ROSWITA: "More importantly: GET IN LINE, I SAID"
Piety quester, /George Takei: "Oh my. Well, at least she doesn't mind older men-"
Learning quester: "You shut your mouth, Mathilde is a precious cinnamon roll too good for this base earth! Also: a child"
Piety quester: "30's legally an adult, though!"
Learning quester: "Pervert!"
Piety quester: "Prude!"
Martial quester: "And the balance has been restored."
Diplomacy quester: "At least we ended these on a high note."
 
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Within Divided Loyalties mechanics, Confound Foe seems like the sort of thing that was the result of several sequential natural 100's during spell generation. :V
It actually sounds like the sort of spell that's destined to exist, and here's why; because it can send information backwards in time, once invented it is guaranteed that the inventor will invent it, due to going back to tell himself about it. Given that there are a multitude of possible futures, this means that it doesn't need to be likely or even feasibly possible for it to be invented for that to occur, only technically possible, so it's practically guaranteed. :V
 
Mathilde Weber Intel Files
MoneyB said:
Elector Count Abelhelm Van Hal
Relation: 9/10 - You fought by his side. You've tortured by his side. To his surprise, he trusts you.
Dis Manibus, Abelhelm Van Hal, hic situs est. IC 2432 - 2477. Sit tibi terra levis.[/SPOILER]
Diplo: "Oh.... D:"
Martial: "Rest in Pisces, my dude. You died and we profited by it."
Steward: "Man, even her romances are like this?"
 
It actually sounds like the sort of spell that's destined to exist, and here's why; because it can send information backwards in time, once invented it is guaranteed that the inventor will invent it, due to going back to tell himself about it. Given that there are a multitude of possible futures, this means that it doesn't need to be likely or even feasibly possible for it to be invented for that to occur, only technically possible, so it's practically guaranteed. :V
Funny as this is, Confound Foe doesn't require the capability of sending information back in time: it's simply a roll to see if it was an illusion all along, or if you really took that damage.

Mechanically happens after you take the hits, but IC, a quick, seamless illusion of you fighting and dying while you are actually sneaking away/around sounds merely fiendishly complex.
 
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Funny as this is, Confound Foe doesn't require the capability of sending information back in time: it's simply a roll to see if it was an illusion all along, or if you really took that damage.

Mechanically happens after you take the hits, but IC, a quick, seamless illusion of you fighting and dying while you are actually sneaking away/around sounds merely fiendishly complex.
Well yeah, that's the justification for it, but the way its played is much sillier than the way it's justified, and I like that silliness.
 
When it comes to whacky bullshit that Ulgu is apparently canonically able to do:

Banish Illusion
Destroy Illusions


Steal Hysh's schtick by fucking with other illusionists!

Finger of Life
Healing Mists


Heal people, because why not?

Crown of Taidron

Shoot laser beams out of your head!

Pit of Tarnus

Make a big hole. Not, like, a hole into the shadow realm or anything, just an actual hole in the ground. People have to dig out of it or be buried alive.

Radiance of Ptolos

Make someone glow so bright they're painful to look at. Yes, this is a spell in the lore of shadows.

Ranald's Mischief

Sounds like there was a fellow Ranaldite among the Grey College, because this spell was fucking stolen straight from Von Horstmann and the Light College, doing the same "attribute swap" thing as Horstmanns mirror.

Stormcall

You see, Ulgu is the opposite of Azyr, so just like Azyr can clear skies, it makes perfect sense for Ulgu to be able to summon storms. No, wait, that actually makes no sense at all what the-

Ribauld's Retroactive Illusion

Yep, Ulgu can fuck with time.



Those last two are probably even canon to Divided Loyalties to some degree, since Melkoth was stated to have fucked with time to obscure his age in-quest, and Boney mentioned that the Elven mist-mages use Ulgu's associations with mundane winds to speed up their ships, and it's not that far fetched to go from wind manipulation to weather control.
 
Really, a short duration illusion of her dying on an automatic trigger would be very useful for Mathilde, since it'd give the seed time to resurrect her without a bunch of enemies noticing and kicking her while she's down.
Another thought along similar lines: Substance of Shadows on trigger, so our body can sink into the ground to heal? Or at least to prevent an opponent butchering us to make sure the job is done?
 
Another thought along similar lines: Substance of Shadows on trigger, so our body can sink into the ground to heal? Or at least to prevent an opponent butchering us to make sure the job is done?
Substance of Shadows would be effecting our body at the same time as the healing then, which would make burning Dhar inside us.

The illusion option seems safer.
 
Also, Substance of Shadows can get disrupted pretty easily. It wouldn't be reliable even if Dhar wasn't a concern.
 
How about a long range teleport. So she can return to her mountain lair to recover. Might need a tower to pull off, but if we make the tower nice and fat at the base and have it taper to a point it would look kind of cool. Maybe make it square for the best tapering aesthetics.
 
It does make sense thematically, and yet I think that the other schools would be slightly annoyed at Ulgu's "I can do anything any of you can" approach anyway. :V

There are even canon Ulgu spells that clearly steal Hysh's schtick by blinding people with bright light, justified because it was the illusion of bright light
I mean plenty of the winds crib tons of parts out of other ones, when your locked into one wind of magic you kind of need to push the boundries... heck Chamon apparently cribs the power to cast the other winds... even if it's indirectly.
 
How about a long range teleport. So she can return to her mountain lair to recover. Might need a tower to pull off, but if we make the tower nice and fat at the base and have it taper to a point it would look kind of cool. Maybe make it square for the best tapering aesthetics.


*Teleport to her mountain lair like a Lich*
*Mountain lair is a pyramid*

Nagash is that you? :V
 
Funny as this is, Confound Foe doesn't require the capability of sending information back in time: it's simply a roll to see if it was an illusion all along, or if you really took that damage.

Mechanically happens after you take the hits, but IC, a quick, seamless illusion of you fighting and dying while you are actually sneaking away/around sounds merely fiendishly complex.
I assume it's actually Battle Magic?

You know, given the way the Grey College is, it wouldn't surprise me if this spell totally exists already but because it's so useful for faking your own death it's kept heavily under wraps, even beyond regular Battle Magic. I could also see it really being a Fiendishly Complex spell... which functions mechanically as a Battle Magic spell, as you have to be able to cast it instantly even when you're not expecting to have to and rushing spells always brings a chance of a miscast.
 
When it comes to whacky bullshit that Ulgu is apparently canonically able to do:

Banish Illusion
Destroy Illusions


Steal Hysh's schtick by fucking with other illusionists!

Finger of Life
Healing Mists


Heal people, because why not?

Crown of Taidron

Shoot laser beams out of your head!

Pit of Tarnus

Make a big hole. Not, like, a hole into the shadow realm or anything, just an actual hole in the ground. People have to dig out of it or be buried alive.

Radiance of Ptolos

Make someone glow so bright they're painful to look at. Yes, this is a spell in the lore of shadows.

Ranald's Mischief

Sounds like there was a fellow Ranaldite among the Grey College, because this spell was fucking stolen straight from Von Horstmann and the Light College, doing the same "attribute swap" thing as Horstmanns mirror.

Stormcall

You see, Ulgu is the opposite of Azyr, so just like Azyr can clear skies, it makes perfect sense for Ulgu to be able to summon storms. No, wait, that actually makes no sense at all what the-

Ribauld's Retroactive Illusion

Yep, Ulgu can fuck with time.



Those last two are probably even canon to Divided Loyalties to some degree, since Melkoth was stated to have fucked with time to obscure his age in-quest, and Boney mentioned that the Elven mist-mages use Ulgu's associations with mundane winds to speed up their ships, and it's not that far fetched to go from wind manipulation to weather control.
Where did you get these spells?
 
Stormcall

You see, Ulgu is the opposite of Azyr, so just like Azyr can clear skies, it makes perfect sense for Ulgu to be able to summon storms. No, wait, that actually makes no sense at all what the-
Actually, there's a bit more of a direct connection; a cloud is just a fog bank that's far away from you, so putting one in the sky isn't much of a stretch.


*Teleport to her mountain lair like a Lich*
*Mountain lair is a pyramid*

Nagash is that you? :V
Hey, it's a perfectly legitimate suggestion. :V
I could also see it really being a Fiendishly Complex spell... which functions mechanically as a Battle Magic spell, as you have to be able to cast it instantly even when you're not expecting to have to and rushing spells always brings a chance of a miscast.
That sounds like the perfect situation to make an enchanted object of something, though. Maybe even spring for an at-will version, given the utility.
 
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@BoneyM From what I understand is that if mathilde scouts that the others would fortify the entrances behind her?
No; the two scouting options are expressly "don't do anything until we've scouted." If we choose to do a non-scouting thing, Rangers will still scout.
[ ] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
- Rangers will scout Karag Yar no matter what you choose; the scouting option is for doing nothing on that front until they report back.
 
This makes me sad that we don't have a >< relationship thing with Kragg. The sheer WTF from the negaverse players would be super great to see.
I think Boney said we have to have known him for 1% of his life for the sheet to even start appearing, which is like 15 years IIRC. Sadly, I think I also remember him following it up, having changed his mind and saying it would never happen.
 
This makes me sad that we don't have a >< relationship thing with Kragg. The sheer WTF from the negaverse players would be super great to see.
There was a Word of Boney that I feel would do very well as his opinion of us:
At first, he trusted you when for the foreseeable future you'd be in convenient strength-10 hammer range.

Now, he trusts you.
I love our curmudgeonly adopted uncle.
 
I think Boney said we have to have known him for 1% of his life for the sheet to even start appearing, which is like 15 years IIRC. Sadly, I think I also remember him following it up, having changed his mind and saying it would never happen.
Yeah, I remember that, which is a bit disappointing since Kragg's one of my social highlights in Eight Peaks.
 
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