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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Another reason you didn't mention, Warpstone and Gromril tend to come in the same meteorites, so there's a decent chance of a nice amount of Gromril at the peak too.
Look, we all know why Ranald did not help Her then. He was getting his biggest rival out of the way. He even goes and comforts her right after!
They don't though? The High Elves trade with Bretonnia, Tliea, and Estalia just fine. There are apparently elven merchants in Altdorf. It's just that Marienberg is the gateway to the Empire, and most of their trade flows through there. The elven naval superiority probably means it makes sense for them to sell at ports and let the overland distribution networks be run by humans. Marienberg holds the mouth of the Reik, anyway, so
In 684 IC the dwarves still know how to put runes on dragon scales, bu it may have been lost since.
There's also the elven Kingdom of Eonir in the Laurelorn Forest, where most elves in the Empire apparently come from. They're mid way between High Elves and standard wood elves, if they exist in this continuity
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Omegahugger
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Why, that's preposterous!
Ranald did not have the decency to wait until Abel was actually dead before moving in.
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I don't see how one folows the other, it's pretty much the oposite.
Yes Dwarves don't give favour for assasination in usual circusntances, but Using Protector is the kind of very unusual cirscunstace that should cause then to give favor for assasination. Ergo not using the Protector cost us a lot of favor.
This fells more like moving the goalposts to try and justify not using the protector that time with the baseless assumtion that it wouldn't have helped anyway, since the original argument of the time that we wouldn't need the protetor to get favor for assasinations just proved itself objectively false.
SuperSonicSound
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Actually the arguments of the time were leave it on the prowler that effect will be useful for infiltration purposes. There were some arguments that using the protector wouldn't matter for favour gain but that was the minority of the arguments at the time. The major ones were "We get to use the coin on a different setting the next turn if we keep it on prowler" and "Prowler is more important to keep us alive." As it turns out the prowler effect stopped working once the Greenskins fragmented heavily in civil war but the other argument was still valid.
To claim otherwise is revisionist. Yes we probably would have got more favour with the coin set to protector.
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Actually we knew the Night Prowler wouldn't have helped that much. While the effect not working was a surprise, I had asked Boney how useful it would be in Karagril beforehand.
His response was along the lines of "It would help you get in and out, but Mathilde is already very good at that."
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BoneyM was explicitly talking about dwarves opinions of assassinations in direct rebuttal to someone saying that us not getting favour meant we should have set the Coin to the Protector:
It seems to be be that dwarves cultural see assassination as something disreputable, so while Mathilde gained favour for them in the extraordinary circumstances of it facilitating the K8P campaign, she doesn't normally. That means that whether we have the Protector applied or not, it's still not something we should expect to get favour for. The would respect killing enemies on a duel in the battlefield, not with a knife in the back in the dark. It's why Ranger tactics in general seem culturally disfavoured.
The Protector would mean that lots of dwarves did something they don't really approve of to help them, but that doesn't change that they don't approve of it.
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Who knows, perhaps the help comes through better if it's for an actual loved one, and not someone you sort of have some feelings for.
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In that same quote he also says that he's not addressing the protector.
I also think there's a reasonable chance that Link of Psyche would be upgraded, as it makes sense both narratively and mechanically that it'd get better the more intelligent Wolf is and so we can better help each other. It also means that Wolf becomes his own independent character the greater his intelligence and communication ability, so he should be able to undertake actions on his own.
Is this correct, @BoneyM ?
I mean, we did get favor for our assassinations during the Expedition, so getting favors for assassinations doesn't seem categorically impossible.
No he doesn't. He says ' It's not necessarily about the Protector ' That's in response to someone saying that the lack of favour is about the Protector not being active.
He seems to be saying that the reason we didn't get favour isn't necessarily about the Protector, it's about what dwarves think of assassination. With both dwarves and assassinations bolded and underlined.
It's not. If we launch an assassination campaign as part of a hypothetical successful reclaiming of Karak Drazh, I'm pretty sure we'd get favour. Just taking another peak or 'regular' conflict isn't enough though.
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SuperSonicSound
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Not sure it's true but it does make logical sense, as Wolf gets more intelligent there's more to draw on so to speak. certainly a mere +2 to a stat doesn't fully reflect the inherent boost that link of psyche grants in the RP. So yea further benefits are probably gated behind Wolf being more skilled.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
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[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
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[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
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Omegahugger
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I will admit, I have run into a lot of takes in my
And a kinda concerning take if true, considering that whatever feelings Mathilde had, it was enough to make her radiate killing intent at the sawbones she thought didn't perform to the full of his abilitites.
Talking of dwarf favour, is anyone else interested in trying to save up to 25 favour again to get another legendary grade artifact? For example, if there's a variant of the Rune of the Unknown that can be applied to armour, then that could actually make it viable equipment for Mathilde, if it auto fitted to her body, as she could flicker it away to cast a spell and then return it when she didn't need it.
Alternatively, given what we've seen with runesmiths being able to exclude the Winds from metal, perhaps runecraft could duplicate the effect of the base enchantment of the Armor of Tarnus that allows Wizards to cast wearing it. Kragg might see it as a challenge that a manling wizard could forge armour with an effect like that for him to dunk on by doing it better.
We'd probably want to find some more gromril first, unless he inherited the the knowledge of how to add runes to dragonskin from Heganbor, and is holding it back (possibly due to lack of dragonskin)
Well, if you spin it as the inherent loyalty owed by a vassal to their feudal superior Ranald might quite be so hot on rewarding that, even though such loyalty could produce that intensity of emotion.
Alternatively, given what we've seen with runesmiths being able to exclude the Winds from metal, perhaps runecraft could duplicate the effect of the base enchantment of the Armor of Tarnus that allows Wizards to cast wearing it. Kragg might see it as a challenge that a manling wizard could forge armour with an effect like that for him to dunk on by doing it better.
We'd probably want to find some more gromril first, unless he inherited the the knowledge of how to add runes to dragonskin from Heganbor, and is holding it back (possibly due to lack of dragonskin)
Well, if you spin it as the inherent loyalty owed by a vassal to their feudal superior Ranald might quite be so hot on rewarding that, even though such loyalty could produce that intensity of emotion.
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Also to draw a gun on Kasmir, contemplate using Dhar and think something like "if greatswords didn't die already I would consider killing them myself".
Omegahugger
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Yeah, Mathilde was really pushed to the limi-Hey hang on a minute, that middle one is an entirely rational action that could've saved Abel!
Hmm... armor with a rune of sorcery would be worth it if the Winds could be selectively filtered.
Otherwise... well there's the shadow armor which is pretty good at Magic 8.
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Again, you are moving the goalposts and simultaneously ignoring half of that conversation to state you opinion as absolute fact, the thing that brought up that passage was this :
It wasn't a batlant hint on the protector, but him trying to explain why we didn't get favour before people inevitably asked about it.
Answer lack of aundience, the thing Protector solves, because the whole favour mechaninc is based around groups being awere af how much they owe us, and the protector makes everyone perfectly aware of how much they owe us isntead of it fading into obscurity.