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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Ironbreaker stuff seems like it would be mostly relevant to the defense option to the underground, which I definitely want to get on ASAP.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
They've got like ten times the range and they don't miscast.
Also, they're very compact, so it's not like they're getting in the way or anything when we take them with us.
- Location
- USA
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- He/They
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
Jumping way back to deal with my pending multiquote log:
1. Any plan that focuses on enabling future riflery is going to attract enormous backlash from the anti-rifle camp. Personally, I could care less either way about rifles in the abstract, but:
2. Consider that the increased DC to make a wand instead of a staff could instead be increased DC to make a truly epic staff. And while rifles are pretty cool, super awesome staff beats rifle + basic bitch staff in my book, no question.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
Jumping way back to deal with my pending multiquote log:
Do we even have access to another source on Chaos Dwarf anatomy? It's not something the dwarfs like acknowledging the existence of, much less handing out detailed studies on.
Two points:
1. Any plan that focuses on enabling future riflery is going to attract enormous backlash from the anti-rifle camp. Personally, I could care less either way about rifles in the abstract, but:
2. Consider that the increased DC to make a wand instead of a staff could instead be increased DC to make a truly epic staff. And while rifles are pretty cool, super awesome staff beats rifle + basic bitch staff in my book, no question.
Have you ever had a job that you knew you were good at even though you absolutely hated it? It's pretty much like that. (It's why I got out of sales.)
Yeahhhhhhhh...I don't feel strongly enough about 2 favour or +1 to skaven stuff to get involved in that particular debate.
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- between Venus and Mars
I'd rather keep them, never hurts to have options.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Not a bad point. We've got two revolvers and a marksdwarf pistol, so we could send one gun to be enhanced and keep the others around.
But I think it's probably better to focus our efforts on Branalhune than on developing another weapons skill. For now, at least.
It's 1% on multiple rolls for multiple different characters. You yourself pointed out that our prisoner may be up to funny business; this is 1% on every opposed roll we make against him next turn. Johann can use it on his extracurricular activities or for researching skaven tech. Max can use it on a skaven-related topic we put him on, if we decide to trust him with that (I may still be kind of salty about last turn's Max action).
So much that we or our team does involve the skaven. 1% on every one of those rolls next turn for 2 favour? Yeah, that's efficient enough to be worth our while.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
I'm doubtful about the range claim and shadow knives also don't miscast, given our magic stat.
I'm not being literal here. More correctly my position is "I'm against any kind of further investments if time or resources into guns".
[X] picklepikkl
- Location
- Germany
[X] [LIBRARY] Focused Spending
[X] [TOWER] Complete
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [TOWER] Complete
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I feel like this has been said at some point, but note:
It's not 'over one turn.' Sure, maybe we'll pick up Skaven Esoteric next turn. But then we'll be that 1% behind on whatever we're actually working on that turn instead, because we spent our budget on the Skaven thing instead. Or Skaven Esoteric will fall through the cracks in favor of whatever we're doing next turn, which will probably continue on into the future for some significant amount of time.
We roll a lot of dice in this quest; I don't think it would be all that long until we flub one by a single point, or that an extra point would have got us into the next highest DC bracket. Is a failed roll, or even just a less successful roll, worth 2 favor?
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
We will in fact be 2% behind on stuff for that turn, because 2 favour buys Antiquarian quality; spending our stipend on upgrading Antiquarian to Esoteric is less efficient than just buying a new topic's Antiquarian quality.
I normally would never consider springing for Esoteric dwarf quality, but skaven is just a topic that's going to come up so many goddamn times, and is so important right now, that the extra 1% does seem worth it.
Dwarves were able to do this once. The art of inscribing runes onto cloth or leather has been lost.
(This is what depresses Belegar about the Slayers. Dwarves have lost so much knowledge and expertise already, and the despair of it drives them to throw away more.)
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- Location
- his hidden lair
I mean, that's a bit more valid but it's ultimately making the assumption that the 1% will be decisive in any of those rolls- I'm not good with statistics so I can't say either way but I can't stay I'd still be excited over spending 2 favor on say ~
And I would give that argument more merit if people would take the time arguing what hypotheticals we might be dealing with next turn exclusively. Cartography? We can focus on getting an Esoteric in that from the Imperials and the Brettonians to compensate. The Aethyric Vitae? I mean, I was sort under the impression we already got the Dwarf's books on the warp and magic as a whole considering they don't have books on the colors. But even then, those 1% are likely to be even less relevant because as picklepikkl has said we're going to be rolling multiple times under the Skaven subject in that one turn. I don't see us rolling either the cartography or the Aethyric Vitae that much in one turn even if it's our primary project.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
1. That's... highly debatable. At the end of the day however, we can get something this from the colleges and the dwarves, and the colleges are much cheaper.
2. Boney said he might be making rolls for it. He was purposely ambiguous. If you want to keep an eye on him, the college would be better than the dwarves. Call it my opinion or not, but the dwarves haven't shown anything compared to wizard enchanting which at the higher levels resembles programming.
3. Anything else that doesn't add another action crunch. Maybe we want to keep it in our pocket for politics. You opinion is also noted as just that.
4. I might be willing to give up any other book purchases. But skaven is simply just not happening.
5. I think you got mixed up on the numbers? At any rate, just listing possibilities isn't enough. You are saying "Look at all this stuff we might want." I'm replying "Most of this stuff sucks, and here's why." If you don't want to argue against me, then don't. My arguments aren't only directed at you.
6. The dwarves also have absolutely nothing to do with actually manipulating magic. There has been WOG on this. The only major rune we've seen that might qualify is the Rune on our Belt and excuse me if I'd prefer not to have any miscast spells burned from our minds. The college miscast rod is pretty good. Why the hell would we want to get another from dwarves? You are basically giving your opinion and then telling me my opinions are shit.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Kyvinn Wyr? Nothing else that requires us to stockpile favor comes to mind.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
We might want to buy more college aid next turn. Boney said that there would be options to e.g. buy enchanted items to deal with weather problems.
I like the idea of a Burning Vengeance item, but we're not going to be doing anything next turn that could provide us with the names we might use for it, so we can hold off. I also still am tempted by a Speed of Light item, but, again, we're probably not doing anything next turn that could use it.
god i hope Boney lets us hire the Bright Lord Magister who adapted our work when Kvinn-Wyr season rolls around
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We had to roll for Aethyric armor when we were sprinting away from those goblins. Optimal casting isn't the same as casting under stress. Plus, miscast chances build up over the day, narratively; if we roll the metaphorical dice enough casting safe spells we're going to start rolling the literal ones (which is why we don't spend all day using our tireless magic armor).
Speaking of our tireless magical armor, we need to keep studying enchanting. We know that it's exceptionally difficult to enchant Mastery effects, but being literally tireless all day is an effect as powerful as being immune to Dhar is, as far as our martial is concerned.
Like, it depends on what tirelessness is to us, of course. If it means we just don't feel it, that's exceptional. We can sprint until we pass out. We can lift until we hurt our arms. Our psychological limitations will have been unlocked, and though our resources will remain nominally human our determination will be superhuman.
If it means we just don't get tired, that's absurd. We can sprint until we starve ourselves, of food or oxygen. We can lift indefinitely. We can fight forever, and as long as we get enough down-time to heal or absorb our foes we'll be as fresh on the last day of the siege as the first (presuming we also don't starve). And we can swing, and swing, and swing our greatsword as quickly and skillfully in the last minute of battle as it was in the first minute. Or, you know, the bare minimum for the sort of thing video game characters get up to.
It used to be possible, but as far as I know the skills have been lost to the ages; stone and metal are the only things sturdy enough these days.
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- Virginia
Personally I'm hoping for something like Perfect Vigor from the Total War games which is pretty much the latter option that you described.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Yeah, Ungrim Ironfist current Slayer King is either wearing a Runed Dragonscale cloak or has one as a Banner IIRC.
They have no idea whatsoever how to make a new one.
Oh my god really?
*sigh*
Thankfully that doesn't seem to be quest canon since we started the quest in 2450 and Boney has gone on record to say anything post that date was scrubbed. Hopefully this was included, since we heard nothing like it occuring.
Could always make them "harmless magical rings of invisibility".
Personally, I would like to start leveraging our relationship and favor with the Dwarves and membership of the colleges to try and start up some other Dwarf/Wizard collaborations. This would be a multi year thing, likely over the course of a decade or so. But runecraft+wizardry is an absurdly good combo.
Outlasting Dwarves would be an amazing scene. Hell, we could probably get absurd college favor by making a set of ten or so of them once we can.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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We started in 2470, not 2450, alas.
celebrimbor noCould always make them "harmless magical rings of invisibility".
Also, this is "something got the Emperor to specifically let the Battle Wizards off their leash" - that's not something you want to pick a fight about unless you are absolutely sure you know everything that's going on. And given that Mathilde is a Grey Wizard, that surety is not going to be present.
Chapter reactions: Ouch for Belegar. He really needs help... but the Empire has enough troubles that it can't really afford to send much help, and most of the Dwarven help has already been obtained. Anyone got a Rune of Infinite Lava, or something like that could just be set to flood the Skaven tunnels?
Again, I want that desk. Or at least, I want to know how it's made. Very nice description of how it looks, there.
Patriarch headpats! Prrrr...
If we every have some spare time, it might be worthwhile to see if we can talk magical theory with Lord Magister Olenus. I don't know if Aqshy and Ulgu have enough similarities to make it really useful, but it could well be informative. Also, they seem to be a fair-minded sort, and that's the sort that are worth making contacts with.
I would imagine that few wizards have the combination of highly-developed magesight and the Avatar spiritual sensitivity to divine energies...
Also, I imagine Sigmar is making like the remaining Battle Wizards in town: slightly begrudgingly waiting "outside", hammer ready, waiting for someone to come by and sneeze wrong. (For all Ranald is a troublemaker, he does rather approve of the Empire as an institution, I would imagine.)
Having a clever Emperor is a good thing - getting a happy association with his heir is definitely a Good Thing.
Sigmar grumbles in "Mathilde doesn't care".
Heh. Mathilde is such a little shit, sometimes. Fortunately, it seems she kept the teasing to relatively-friendly levels.
Ouch. Tricky problem. Maybe see if Kazrik can help with this?
Also, regarding cat farms...
This whole thing just killed me laughing. Ded. I love how exasperation with weirdness seems to have eroded some of Roswita's fear of wizards. Also, how the Battle Wizards seem to have embraced The Weird. Although it seems that they still need more headpats. Fortunately, Roswita's pride has her providing them, in spite of her fears. And Elector Countess headpats are pretty good.
Definitely Celestials. Why U dis way, Celestials?
And here's another side to this move, which makes it a canny one by the Emperor and the Colleges. The Battle Wizards get out to play, which makes them happy. (And they're doing something important, which helps.) They're getting appreciation of, at worst, "you're weird, and might explode, but you're absolutely needed here," which also very much helps morale. And, for all the weirdness, Roswita seems to be treating them as people, rather than weapons. And, word gets out to everyone else of what is likely to happen if they do have to be unleashed - at best, extreme weirdness.
Gold Patriarch has his head on straight, news at 11. I am curious about how strongly magnetized that hill is, but if they can keep to that level for the worst of the miscasts, that will be great.
And having to expand your Vampire Containment Facility seems like a good sort of problem to have for Roswita. With the Knights of Morr freed up by Templehof being dealt with, that should help with the stalemates against the Strigoi and Lahmians. Looks like Sylvania is doing okay so far.
A little overboard on the smug there, Mathilde. She's in a very good mood here.
That can be a very long time in a fight. And hopefully the Diplomacy bump will help once she decides to go for a second round of trying to get an in with the Engineers' Guild.
Yeah, fighting trolls is something you don't want to do unless you have a really good reason, or an ace up your sleeve. Hint, Hubert: zap it a lot, then kill it while it's recovering from dying of electrocution.
Poor Max. But puppies!
Ooze is... weird, but could be very useful, if it doesn't have icky side-effects.
Panoramia is much happier now that she has access to safe water for the fields.
And... Library! Books make for happy wizards.
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
I'm kinda interested in the "works at night" option for the tower, but the potential for fortifying it against either sabotage strikes or air attack also is attractive.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
What mission is that?
[X] Plan no favor mines
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
Wish we could work with Panoramia on the oozo.
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