Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Like, even beyond grombradril, who's exact theological nature is a bit debates, I thought the others were rather active, for gods.
Like, on a (simplified) scale of god activeness, first the elven ones who basically provide passive benefits and occasionally turn a fire down.
Then the human, who do that a little bit, but occasionally manifest when the situation is dramatic enough.
And finally Dawi gods, who are almost just immortal dwarves; no passive buffs, but they might just pop down to drink some beer with you and sing mining songs.
Like, ten miles back before the elven gods sits The Maw, you stuff stuff into it, and other occasionally burps a blessing onto you.
forgive the compulsive "like"s: I am but a poor soul in the grips of too much coffee and too little sleep.
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Could we use the new College Favours to get the Celestial Order to fit the Tower with a weather control device? Clear skies at a single press or somesuch.
This sort of thing will be part of your project if you stick with it or penthouse upgrades if you declare it complete.
- Location
- Russia
Another interesting tidbit of lore: during the thread's discussion of Liber Mortis there were a lot of mentions of its copy that rests under the Temple of Sigmar in case of another undead shitstorm. Well, in latest (non-End Times) canon they kinda lost it in 2453. Arkhan invaded with an undead army, broke into the temple, stole the book and GTFO. This event is mentioned in both 8E TT Empire book and in the 4E RPG Core book.
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- Location
- some computer lab
May I ask what quest that is from? sounds interesting.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yet another example of sigmarite incompatence!
(this one was a joke)
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A fair point but we have to make sure it's priests than find him in that case and not wizards. Thankfully his mother has magesight, though I would be more comfortable knowing she understood the possibility.
@BoneyM does Heidi know there is no inherent difference between a spellcasting priest and a wizard except for the magic they choose to exercise? I would not suggest binging this up if she were the priest of anyone besides Ranald but in this case I think it would be safe to outright explain the matter to her if she does not know, just to make sure to ward off the potential scandal of a wizard heir.
- Location
- The underworld
I wonder if we can use runes or magic to make dwarfed women more fertile
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I mean. Mathilde doesn't know it. She suspects it, but she can't prove it, because suggesting it to religious authorities tends to get you thrown out for being so goddamn rude.
I am going to be exceedingly pedantic here and point out that there is no reason to believe it is the dwarf women's problem; if anything, there is more textual evidence for dwarf women being interested in the subject matter than there is for dwarf men.
Using Wind magic to passively affect a dwarf population over time runs into the problems of "getting informed consent" and "subjecting dwarves to Wind magic constantly over time has to overcome magic resistance, which best-case scenario reduces effectiveness and worst-case scenario turns them to stone."
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- Location
- Canada
Dwarves and magic don't mix very well
- Location
- some computer lab
Judging by Kazador, it isn't a matter of fertility, but rather cultural norms.
She knows because the elves know, it's common knowledge in the colleges, they just don't want to be branded heretics by making it public.
A Dynasty Shrouded In Mist, I believe. Though Google also reveals Questers trying to apply it to all sorts of other Warhammer quests.
Nobody knows that. Some suspect it, and Teclis seemed pretty sure they had the same foundation, but you can't really make a definitive statement if you don't have reality condensed down to tabletop roleplaying mechanics.
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Ok then, I thought it was pretty heavily implied in the IC parts of Realms of Sorcery when they talk about Teclis' recruiting practices. Still it is just implication.
Anyway in that case I think it is all the more important for Mathilde to spend time with Mandred form time to time, just to make sure he does not poke any mystical energies he is not supposed to.
Time for a veekie-spaghetti review!
So, Belegar once considered becoming a slayer. And apparently, that's not unusual, as it seems that many a dwarf in their youths are tempted to run away from life's hardships into the slayer path. Really unhealthy. Surprisingly cowardly, too. Becoming a slayer is basically an elaborate way of commiting suicide, and I have always considered most cases of suicide (not all, never all) to be a sign of cowardice and selfishness.
If Dawi are to escape the death spiral, they need to tone down the glorifying of slayer path, or rather, make it more difficult to become a slayer.
This is tragic on so many levels. I don't think I am in the proper mind-state to unpack it all. Honestly, I am feeling a bit angry at the young dwarf. He became a slayer, hurt his family, is contributing to dwarf decay and wasted his potential, for basically nothing. For some misplaced guilt. Belegar has to bring some of the "Grudge measurers", the sooner the better. They probably aren't enough, but they are something.
I know the answer to this one. Beyond avenging the honor of his ancestor, slaying the Dwarf enemies and satisfying grudges, what Belegar is accomplishing is that he is leading the best damn attempt at even partial Dwarf resurgance in several milennia. There's a reason that Kragg is sticking around and indirectly condoning all this radical nonsense. Reconnecting Karak Azul is just a tip of the iceberg. He is in good position to create a massive positive contibution to the whole Karaz Ankor through his efforts here, by doing the selfish thing of reconquering Karak Eight Peaks, and making it stick but by doing it smart.
He is creating a literal symbol of hope and renaissance, something solid that Dwarfs can point at and strive for.
He should know this.
He undertook a great burden when he challenged Throgrim and the Age of Vengeance the way he did.
He should also know this. It is a difficult and probably unfair task, being a champion of the Silver Age, and a vast journey awaits him that isn't going to become any easier.
So, Belegar, you better start pumping those Dwarfen legs!
Heh. The smugness is overflowing in this one.
Curious that he is so certain that it's aftermath of a civil war. Yes, Mors being seriously pressured in their heart of power makes it certain that the Great Clans are currently winning, but Pestilens and its vassal clans are foes not to be underestimated. They could probably prolong the war to catastrophic casualties on both sides for decades more.
Also, here's hoping that the Forces of Order don't get too zealous, and run into a trap.
Quite the contribution to wizardly posterity. Mathilde should be proud. Should we send the good Lord Magister a thank you note, and ask him if he would like to immolate some trolls and earn Dwarf favor (and gold)?
Curious that it isn't a more powerful Jade Wizard in charge of the birth.
Shouldn't the father also have some say? In any case, a good name.
Though aren't the Todbringers descended from Manndred as well?
My inner Verenan is deeply displeased with this turn of events.
Mathilde's most likely been waiting for this moment for months.
The most worthwhile solution would probably be to convince Edda to enable a creation of a formal Undumgi organization with Mathilde's help, and then to propose to Belegar that he transfer the responsibility over Undumgi to Kazrik.
But would Edda be willing to admit her failing before Belegar is questionable.
Poor Roswita. She expected deranged destructive murder-machines; and got quirky, lonely, eager for positive feedback murder-machines instead.
So, the Blood Dragons have been dealt with, but the greater threats of a capable Lahmian and the Strigoi remain. Matters not. A step at a time, and with suprisingly little collateral is just fine.
Worry not, Rosie, we'll make an advocate for wizarding rights out of you yet!
Conclusion: I must say, it was quite an emotional roller-coaster, this update.
EDIT: From the Belegar scene that faintly tasted like ash and the spite-fuelled righteous fervor it brought in me as a reaction, to Roswita's frankly endearing confusion and outrage regarding the Battle Wizards.
Also, I am firmly of the opinion that Battle Wizards need and deserve hugs, a lot of hugs.
The Duckling bit was addressed, so I removed it.
So, Belegar once considered becoming a slayer. And apparently, that's not unusual, as it seems that many a dwarf in their youths are tempted to run away from life's hardships into the slayer path. Really unhealthy. Surprisingly cowardly, too. Becoming a slayer is basically an elaborate way of commiting suicide, and I have always considered most cases of suicide (not all, never all) to be a sign of cowardice and selfishness.
If Dawi are to escape the death spiral, they need to tone down the glorifying of slayer path, or rather, make it more difficult to become a slayer.
This is tragic on so many levels. I don't think I am in the proper mind-state to unpack it all. Honestly, I am feeling a bit angry at the young dwarf. He became a slayer, hurt his family, is contributing to dwarf decay and wasted his potential, for basically nothing. For some misplaced guilt. Belegar has to bring some of the "Grudge measurers", the sooner the better. They probably aren't enough, but they are something.
I know the answer to this one. Beyond avenging the honor of his ancestor, slaying the Dwarf enemies and satisfying grudges, what Belegar is accomplishing is that he is leading the best damn attempt at even partial Dwarf resurgance in several milennia. There's a reason that Kragg is sticking around and indirectly condoning all this radical nonsense. Reconnecting Karak Azul is just a tip of the iceberg. He is in good position to create a massive positive contibution to the whole Karaz Ankor through his efforts here, by doing the selfish thing of reconquering Karak Eight Peaks, and making it stick but by doing it smart.
He is creating a literal symbol of hope and renaissance, something solid that Dwarfs can point at and strive for.
He should know this.
He undertook a great burden when he challenged Throgrim and the Age of Vengeance the way he did.
He should also know this. It is a difficult and probably unfair task, being a champion of the Silver Age, and a vast journey awaits him that isn't going to become any easier.
So, Belegar, you better start pumping those Dwarfen legs!
Heh. The smugness is overflowing in this one.
Curious that he is so certain that it's aftermath of a civil war. Yes, Mors being seriously pressured in their heart of power makes it certain that the Great Clans are currently winning, but Pestilens and its vassal clans are foes not to be underestimated. They could probably prolong the war to catastrophic casualties on both sides for decades more.
Also, here's hoping that the Forces of Order don't get too zealous, and run into a trap.
Quite the contribution to wizardly posterity. Mathilde should be proud. Should we send the good Lord Magister a thank you note, and ask him if he would like to immolate some trolls and earn Dwarf favor (and gold)?
Curious that it isn't a more powerful Jade Wizard in charge of the birth.
Shouldn't the father also have some say? In any case, a good name.
Though aren't the Todbringers descended from Manndred as well?
My inner Verenan is deeply displeased with this turn of events.
Mathilde's most likely been waiting for this moment for months.
The most worthwhile solution would probably be to convince Edda to enable a creation of a formal Undumgi organization with Mathilde's help, and then to propose to Belegar that he transfer the responsibility over Undumgi to Kazrik.
But would Edda be willing to admit her failing before Belegar is questionable.
Poor Roswita. She expected deranged destructive murder-machines; and got quirky, lonely, eager for positive feedback murder-machines instead.
So, the Blood Dragons have been dealt with, but the greater threats of a capable Lahmian and the Strigoi remain. Matters not. A step at a time, and with suprisingly little collateral is just fine.
Worry not, Rosie, we'll make an advocate for wizarding rights out of you yet!
Conclusion: I must say, it was quite an emotional roller-coaster, this update.
EDIT: From the Belegar scene that faintly tasted like ash and the spite-fuelled righteous fervor it brought in me as a reaction, to Roswita's frankly endearing confusion and outrage regarding the Battle Wizards.
Also, I am firmly of the opinion that Battle Wizards need and deserve hugs, a lot of hugs.
The Duckling bit was addressed, so I removed it.
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- his hidden lair
Yeah no. The Cult of Sigmar has it's issues but you're letting biases of your own suggest that clusterfuck had a much clearer cause than it did.
Yeah, the Stirlander Emperor was a pawn of the Cult of Sigmar, did that justify the Otillian Emperors trying to claim that Sigmar wasn't a god and that the election was invalid and in doing so forcing a civil war because there's no way the Southern Empire was going to accept that their predominate religion was a hoax? No one covered themselves in glory then, and trying to claim otherwise is the batshit stupidity that causes shit like the Age of Three Emperors.
- Location
- Norway
Power is mostly orthogonal to Magesight skill.
Already remarked on, it'll be added.
I can't really get Dwarf psychology.
I'm human, and they're a fantasy race.
That said, the imploding population of Dwarfs is clearly killing them as fast as their enemies.
No.
Retaking the Eightpeaks is not making Belagar's people safer than they would be hiding in Karaz A Karak.
Conquering the Eightpeaks the way they are is clearly not sitting right with Belegar.
However, if any sort of parallel could be drawn between humans and Dwarfs, reconquering the Eightpeaks could be invaluable.
They need to feel like they're winning.
4 children born for every 5 dwarfs, is not enough.
If they just hide away, they will diminish and eventually die.
Reconquering the Eightpeaks provides a sense of hope. Reconquering the Eightpeaks provides a sense of vitality.
We haven't heard anything about it in the Quest so far, but to compare with humans...
Would you want to bring children into a world where all they will ever know is constant strife, and the slow death of their civilization?
In the West today, there is a growing movement not to have children because of the perception of inevitable environmental collapse.
It doesn't matter to the people making that decision that the West (Northern Eurasia and Northern America) is forecasted to actually become more fertile because of climate change. It's about perception.
The feeling of loss and slow decay is crushing. The weight of a fall can be worse than the weight of a heavy load.
Giving the Dwarfs the feeling that they are actually capable of winning, that they are actually capable of reclaiming, that they are actually capable of making a future for their people, is invaluable.
I kind of thought that was part of what Kragg was getting at when he said he would die before he say his people reduced by a single great hold once more.
...
I will say, I really enjoy the way Belagar is being handled.
In spite of what he's going through right now, this is nothing compared to how fundamentally destroyed he was when he was encountered in Gotrek and Felix.
Things are bleak, but the hope is real.
I'm human, and they're a fantasy race.
That said, the imploding population of Dwarfs is clearly killing them as fast as their enemies.
No.
Retaking the Eightpeaks is not making Belagar's people safer than they would be hiding in Karaz A Karak.
Conquering the Eightpeaks the way they are is clearly not sitting right with Belegar.
However, if any sort of parallel could be drawn between humans and Dwarfs, reconquering the Eightpeaks could be invaluable.
They need to feel like they're winning.
4 children born for every 5 dwarfs, is not enough.
If they just hide away, they will diminish and eventually die.
Reconquering the Eightpeaks provides a sense of hope. Reconquering the Eightpeaks provides a sense of vitality.
We haven't heard anything about it in the Quest so far, but to compare with humans...
Would you want to bring children into a world where all they will ever know is constant strife, and the slow death of their civilization?
In the West today, there is a growing movement not to have children because of the perception of inevitable environmental collapse.
It doesn't matter to the people making that decision that the West (Northern Eurasia and Northern America) is forecasted to actually become more fertile because of climate change. It's about perception.
The feeling of loss and slow decay is crushing. The weight of a fall can be worse than the weight of a heavy load.
Giving the Dwarfs the feeling that they are actually capable of winning, that they are actually capable of reclaiming, that they are actually capable of making a future for their people, is invaluable.
I kind of thought that was part of what Kragg was getting at when he said he would die before he say his people reduced by a single great hold once more.
...
I will say, I really enjoy the way Belagar is being handled.
In spite of what he's going through right now, this is nothing compared to how fundamentally destroyed he was when he was encountered in Gotrek and Felix.
Things are bleak, but the hope is real.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Depends on the culture. Also... do any of us doubt Heidi's ability to convince Luitpold that Mandred as a name was his idea?
Yeah. He's working on it.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
We are overestimating our chance of learning a single spell, and treating it like a guarantee, when it's not.
What follows is an analysis of our success rates with spells, in order for us not to get a negatrait. To not get the negatrait, we need to get 1 of three spells: Invisibility, Illusion, Cloak Activity. Illusion is partially known.
If we choose to learn the partially known spells, we fail to learn illusion 18% of the time, with a few conservative assumptions. Adding the Coin would make it a near guarantee outside of crit fails.
The cutoff for Fiendishly Difficult is at most 79, and we can reasonably round this down to 75.
Our learning roll for Illusion will be a d100 + 26(Learning) + 20(Tower) + ? (Partially known), requiring at most 75.
We need to roll a 29 - ?(partially known). If we assume the partially known bonus is at least 10, we would need to roll 19 or higher, giving us an 18% chance of failure.
If we choose a specific moderately complicated spell to learn at the college, we fail to learn that spell about 13% of the time, with a few conservative assumptions.
We will assume that the cutoff for learning is at 60. The roll for us learning this, in our tower, is thus:
d100 + 26(Learning) + 20(Tower) , requiring at most 60,
Giving us a 13% chance of failure.
Gacha gives us a much worse chance, but is a bitch to calculate, so I won't, but if anyone wants to, here's my progress:
This is also a learning roll, which means that our chances of each are:
7%/34%/33%/26%.
Our chances of learning Illusion in the college, if we randomly select that spell to learn, is 38%, while for the easier 2 it is 33%.
For 1 spell, we fail 60.8%
For 2 spells, we fail ??
For 3 spells, we fail ??
For 4 spells, we fail ??
Note that if we can do partials first, doing partials then Gacha works pretty well. That's what I would recommend.
What follows is an analysis of our success rates with spells, in order for us not to get a negatrait. To not get the negatrait, we need to get 1 of three spells: Invisibility, Illusion, Cloak Activity. Illusion is partially known.
If we choose to learn the partially known spells, we fail to learn illusion 18% of the time, with a few conservative assumptions. Adding the Coin would make it a near guarantee outside of crit fails.
Partial
Partial
Success
The cutoff for Fiendishly Difficult is at most 79, and we can reasonably round this down to 75.
Our learning roll for Illusion will be a d100 + 26(Learning) + 20(Tower) + ? (Partially known), requiring at most 75.
We need to roll a 29 - ?(partially known). If we assume the partially known bonus is at least 10, we would need to roll 19 or higher, giving us an 18% chance of failure.
If we choose a specific moderately complicated spell to learn at the college, we fail to learn that spell about 13% of the time, with a few conservative assumptions.
Success.
We will assume that the cutoff for learning is at 60. The roll for us learning this, in our tower, is thus:
d100 + 26(Learning) + 20(Tower) , requiring at most 60,
Giving us a 13% chance of failure.
Gacha gives us a much worse chance, but is a bitch to calculate, so I won't, but if anyone wants to, here's my progress:
I'll assume the cutoffs are at 0/33/67/100 for 1/2/3/4 spells. We were told by Boney we got a minimum of 1 spell.
This is also a learning roll, which means that our chances of each are:
7%/34%/33%/26%.
Our chances of learning Illusion in the college, if we randomly select that spell to learn, is 38%, while for the easier 2 it is 33%.
For 1 spell, we fail 60.8%
For 2 spells, we fail ??
For 3 spells, we fail ??
For 4 spells, we fail ??
Note that if we can do partials first, doing partials then Gacha works pretty well. That's what I would recommend.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
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